Coalition against CAIN (CAC)

[Indo-Malaysia]

The so-called "Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism" is an organisation that I and many others are appalled at. Their flawed constitution had led to the Coalitions liberal usage of Nazi to anyone who opposes their commands, such as their Mass TGs asking regions to break embassies with as of now three regions, one that isn't a Nazi Region at all (KAISERREICH), with their only "proof" being past roleplays from the region and PAST CHANCELLORS. The other clearly states on its WFE (National Socialist Ministries) that it wishes to show Nazis the Anti-Racist form of National Socialism, but their willingness to spread Anti-Racism is worthy of being condemn-worthy, as CAIN have stated "NSM required the least amount of evidence*. Their WFE proudly proclaims a push for every discriminatory practice that this Coalition is built to push against". Regions are also being falsely named as Nazi Collaborators, look at Mr Money Headquarters, Role Player Coalition or Australialia and tell me they are Nazi Regions.

Indo-Malaysia, founder of the apparent Nazi Collaborating region Order of the Southern North, hereby forms the Coalition against CAIN.

The CAC invites persecuted regions and regions that wish to join the cause:
Order of the Southern North
Supernova Suite



Our Goal: For CAINS constitution to be rectified, cease the use of Nazi Collaborator for regions with embassies to so-called Nazi Regions and KAISERREICH to be removed from Nazi status

*Edit: Former Dominant Anti-Racist faction in NSM have moved to True Left Movement

[Drasnia]

Hasn't this been done already?

[Indo-Malaysia]

Hasn't this been done already?

That only lasted a day before it was buried in gameplay. This is the first I have heard of it.

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

There's already an active effort against Socialist regions (which make up part of CAIN), called CAS, or Coalition Against Socialism. Check it out here.

[LollerLand]

I am just going to put this here

Can someone explain to me why so many people think KAISERREICH isn't a Nazi region? I mean it's clearly a fascist/imperialist Germany themed region, that regularly works with official Nazi region like Nazi Europa. Just really seems like splitting hares to me. Not to mention the founder made some inappropriate comments not to long back, they were later redacted as a "joke". But I mean come on guys, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

I mean for years Woodhouse would say Nazi Europa wasn't made up of actual Nazis, but we all know that wasn't true, I don't see why people are so blindly suggesting KAISERREICH isn't.

[-Mr Money-]

I am just going to put this here

Can someone explain to me why so many people think KAISERREICH isn't a Nazi region? I mean it's clearly a fascist/imperialist Germany themed region, that regularly works with official Nazi region like Nazi Europa. Just really seems like splitting hares to me. Not to mention the founder made some inappropriate comments not to long back, they were later redacted as a "joke". But I mean come on guys, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

I mean for years Woodhouse would say Nazi Europa wasn't made up of actual Nazis, but we all know that wasn't true, I don't see why people are so blindly suggesting KAISERREICH isn't.

I have spoken to the KAISERREICH Founder many times and he has clarified to me that the Region is Monarchist and based on the 2nd Reich, i.e the Imperial Kaiserreich. They use military symbols and pictures that were later adopted by the Nazi regime, but other than that they don't call themselves Nazis or anything like that and haven't been working with more Nazi inspired Regions for a long time.

Even if Nazis do reside in KAISSERREICH, that doesn't make the Region National Socialist.

[Unibot III]

What's the motto? "CAIN, you make us CAC." ?

[Indo-Malaysia]

What's the motto? "CAIN, you make us CAC." ?

That motto is CAC.

[Wisgothistan]

Still think it should be called ABEL...

[The Stalker]

I am just going to put this here

I have spoken to the KAISERREICH Founder many times and he has clarified to me that the Region is Monarchist and based on the 2nd Reich, i.e the Imperial Kaiserreich. They use military symbols and pictures that were later adopted by the Nazi regime, but other than that they don't call themselves Nazis or anything like that and haven't been working with more Nazi inspired Regions for a long time.

Even if Nazis do reside in KAISSERREICH, that doesn't make the Region National Socialist.

Quack quack quack. That really seems like splitting hairs. Would you prefer Nazi harborers? Or Nazi friends better?

[LollerLand]

haven't been working with more Nazi inspired Regions for a long time.

Not true. They have been collaborating with Nazi Europa and ERoGC in military operations.

[Imperial States America]

My region United Imperial Union has also been labeled as a Nazi Collaborator but I am not letting them pull me down I actually embraced the title of collaborator it gets my rep up higher then if I did a campaign on my own. Anyways I support you guys

[Indo-Malaysia]

haven't been working with more Nazi inspired Regions for a long time.

Not true. They have been collaborating with Nazi Europa and ERoGC in military operations.

All Nazi Europa are bothered about is getting rid of left-wingers. SC#109 did stir things up, and they were persecuted for a while just because of their name, so really it is some grossly collective punishment.

But anyway. Just because a few nations from KAISERREICH decided to do a favour for one of these regions doesn't mean the entire region is affiliated with them. Its like me saying that I am a major ally of The North Pacific just for talking on their RMB (Not that I do).

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Not true. They have been collaborating with Nazi Europa and ERoGC in military operations.

All Nazi Europa are bothered about is getting rid of left-wingers. SC#109 did stir things up, and they were persecuted for a while just because of their name, so really it is some grossly collective punishment.

But anyway. Just because a few nations from KAISERREICH decided to do a favour for one of these regions doesn't mean the entire region is affiliated with them. Its like me saying that I am a major ally of The North Pacific just for talking on their RMB (Not that I do).

Strange thing is, every one-party so-called "Communist" region based off of the USSR, isn't Communist; that would be a blatant lie. This includes The Communist Bloc and USSD. They are all right-wingers due to their authoritarian government and little political freedoms, which are NOT COMMUNIST IDEALS. That form of government is simply Stalinism and Maoism: One-Party Authoritative Pseudo-Communist States that spoil the real image of Communism and generally make their side look worse.

Socialism, or what should be called Pseudo-Socialist Authoritarianism, has killed over at least 100 million. The Nazis killed only around 20 million. However, it was the support of the Communists by the Allies and the hatred towards the Nazis by the Allies during World War II that completely mixed up the definition of Socialism and caused for Nazism to seem more deadly. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean that either of the ideologies is better or worse than each other, as the basic thing you need to know is that they both killed millions of people. That is simply unacceptable.

[Indo-Malaysia]

All Nazi Europa are bothered about is getting rid of left-wingers. SC#109 did stir things up, and they were persecuted for a while just because of their name, so really it is some grossly collective punishment.

But anyway. Just because a few nations from KAISERREICH decided to do a favour for one of these regions doesn't mean the entire region is affiliated with them. Its like me saying that I am a major ally of The North Pacific just for talking on their RMB (Not that I do).

Strange thing is, every one-party so-called "Communist" region based off of the USSR, isn't Communist; that would be a blatant lie. This includes The Communist Bloc and USSD. They are all right-wingers due to their authoritarian government and little political freedoms, which are NOT COMMUNIST IDEALS. That form of government is simply Stalinism and Maoism: One-Party Authoritative Pseudo-Communist States that spoil the real image of Communism and generally make their side look worse.

Socialism, or what should be called Pseudo-Socialist Authoritarianism, has killed over at least 100 million. The Nazis killed only around 20 million. However, it was the support of the Communists by the Allies and the hatred towards the Nazis by the Allies during World War II that completely mixed up the definition of Socialism and caused for Nazism to seem more deadly. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean that either of the ideologies is better or worse than each other, as the basic thing you need to know is that they both killed millions of people. That is simply unacceptable.

And what does that have to do with this CAC Thread?

[LollerLand]

Not true. They have been collaborating with Nazi Europa and ERoGC in military operations.

All Nazi Europa are bothered about is getting rid of left-wingers. SC#109 did stir things up, and they were persecuted for a while just because of their name, so really it is some grossly collective punishment.

But anyway. Just because a few nations from KAISERREICH decided to do a favour for one of these regions doesn't mean the entire region is affiliated with them. Its like me saying that I am a major ally of The North Pacific just for talking on their RMB (Not that I do).

Are you really saying Nazi Europa is not Nazi?
It's always a few regions that participates in military ops. I don't recall hearing about a region managing to participate all of it's members in a military op. You just can't keep on denying all the proof.

[Indo-Malaysia]

All Nazi Europa are bothered about is getting rid of left-wingers. SC#109 did stir things up, and they were persecuted for a while just because of their name, so really it is some grossly collective punishment.

But anyway. Just because a few nations from KAISERREICH decided to do a favour for one of these regions doesn't mean the entire region is affiliated with them. Its like me saying that I am a major ally of The North Pacific just for talking on their RMB (Not that I do).

Are you really saying Nazi Europa is not Nazi?
It's always a few regions that participates in military ops. I don't recall hearing about a region managing to participate all of it's members in a military op. You just can't keep on denying all the proof.

Never did I say Nazi Europa was not a Nazi Region. I was just stating their goal in raids.

[Vandario]

I'm more then willing to join CAC, consider me an ally, currently though I am helping defend a region from CAIN. Once that region is secure I'm free to help you all out.

[CoraSpia]

I'm going to put this hear.

I'm an rper, I've rped in fascist/Nazi regions before, not the greatest experience but that's another matter. Myself, I don't see why it's anyone elses business what people decide to rp: go ahead, not like people who rp as Nazis or fascists or whatever, don't let them in your rps if you don't want to. That is your right. Just don't go destroying communities because you don't like them.
Raiding is meant to be fun, and it's supposed to have some element of opposition to it. When even self-titled 'defenders' are helping to destroy regions because of their rp alignment, I'm starting to wonder where the fun is...it sounds a hell of a lot more like simple bullying.

So, in case it wasn't perfectly obvious, you bet I support what you're doing to try and get the less friendly side of raiding out of this game.

[Indo-Malaysia]

I'm going to put this hear.

I'm an rper, I've rped in fascist/Nazi regions before, not the greatest experience but that's another matter. Myself, I don't see why it's anyone elses business what people decide to rp: go ahead, not like people who rp as Nazis or fascists or whatever, don't let them in your rps if you don't want to. That is your right. Just don't go destroying communities because you don't like them.
Raiding is meant to be fun, and it's supposed to have some element of opposition to it. When even self-titled 'defenders' are helping to destroy regions because of their rp alignment, I'm starting to wonder where the fun is...it sounds a hell of a lot more like simple bullying.

So, in case it wasn't perfectly obvious, you bet I support what you're doing to try and get the less friendly side of raiding out of this game.

Thanks.

Just a heads up: In the Security Council forum, there is a Draft to condemn CAIN

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

I'm going to put this hear.

I'm an rper, I've rped in fascist/Nazi regions before, not the greatest experience but that's another matter. Myself, I don't see why it's anyone elses business what people decide to rp: go ahead, not like people who rp as Nazis or fascists or whatever, don't let them in your rps if you don't want to. That is your right. Just don't go destroying communities because you don't like them.
Raiding is meant to be fun, and it's supposed to have some element of opposition to it. When even self-titled 'defenders' are helping to destroy regions because of their rp alignment, I'm starting to wonder where the fun is...it sounds a hell of a lot more like simple bullying.

So, in case it wasn't perfectly obvious, you bet I support what you're doing to try and get the less friendly side of raiding out of this game.

Thanks.

Just a heads up: In the Security Council forum, there is a Draft to condemn CAIN

Sadly, it won't work, since the majority of all Feeders' and Sinkers' Delegates are in CAIN, and can easily strike it down.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Thanks.

Just a heads up: In the Security Council forum, there is a Draft to condemn CAIN

Sadly, it won't work, since the majority of all Feeders' and Sinkers' Delegates are in CAIN, and can easily strike it down.

Which means that we will have to.. shed some light.

[-Mr Money-]

I shall decline joining...for now...

Too much on my hands right now (not literally).

[Cameron M Romefeller]

Why do people care about the CAN Org? "Oh no dey called me da Nazi"

[Indo-Malaysia]

Why do people care about the CAN Org? "Oh no dey called me da Nazi"

You find that it is not very nice when people start leaving your region and cutting off embassies because they were fed false information from CAINs Mass TGs.