by Gondolaulus » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:12 am
by Community Values » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:21 am
by Gondolaulus » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:27 am
Community Values wrote:Just the thread I was looking for. Recently, after being an edgy ubermensch, I've started looking into Kierkegaard, and so far I like him.
I'm a bit bad at understanding philosophical texts though.
by Pasong Tirad » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:37 am
by Alvecia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:56 am
by United Marxist Nations » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:59 am
Alvecia wrote:On your last point I'm not so sure that philosophy education encourages people to make their own worldview.
This is annecdotal, but I've found that those I know that actually have studied philosophy and philosophers tend to "identify" with certain philosophical icons or schools of thought. Taking on the ideals of others, and fitting into these handy little categories that they learn about.
Then there's people like myself who know next to nothing about the common, or uncommon, philosophical schools of thought and the ideals that those schools encompass. I personally have my ideals, my morals, and my ethics, and I don't ascribe them to any one person or school. I might align with certain ones if you were to compare me and them, but I've come to those ideals independent of past influences, which I think makes mine much more my own "worldview", than that of someone who identifies and empathises with certain schools, and attempts to emulate the ideals proscribed by said schools.
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by Alvecia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:18 am
United Marxist Nations wrote:Alvecia wrote:On your last point I'm not so sure that philosophy education encourages people to make their own worldview.
This is annecdotal, but I've found that those I know that actually have studied philosophy and philosophers tend to "identify" with certain philosophical icons or schools of thought. Taking on the ideals of others, and fitting into these handy little categories that they learn about.
Then there's people like myself who know next to nothing about the common, or uncommon, philosophical schools of thought and the ideals that those schools encompass. I personally have my ideals, my morals, and my ethics, and I don't ascribe them to any one person or school. I might align with certain ones if you were to compare me and them, but I've come to those ideals independent of past influences, which I think makes mine much more my own "worldview", than that of someone who identifies and empathises with certain schools, and attempts to emulate the ideals proscribed by said schools.
The emphasized strikes me as very unlikely, we are all influenced by philosophical outlooks, even as little children. Ideology forms the core of our outlook, no matter what else we ascribe to it.
by Uinted Communist of Africa » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:21 am
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by Gondolaulus » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:12 am
Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:Well I just want to point out that shouldn't a religion be considered a type of philosophy?
I mean isn't it the same principle?
by Community Values » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:27 am
Gondolaulus wrote:Community Values wrote:Just the thread I was looking for. Recently, after being an edgy ubermensch, I've started looking into Kierkegaard, and so far I like him.
I'm a bit bad at understanding philosophical texts though.
What do you particullary like about Kierkegaard? He seems full of doubt to me. Also quite...subjective. Applying his own values as something objective.
by Risottia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:35 am
Gondolaulus wrote:Personally, I am hugely influenced by Stoicism and their metaphysical idea of everything coming from (and to!) one foundation, aka God/Logos. Plato's forms, perfect ideas of what X should be in another realm, fit into my metaphysical worldview too.
by Farnhamia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:43 am
Risottia wrote:Gondolaulus wrote:Personally, I am hugely influenced by Stoicism and their metaphysical idea of everything coming from (and to!) one foundation, aka God/Logos. Plato's forms, perfect ideas of what X should be in another realm, fit into my metaphysical worldview too.
My major influences are Kant, Galilei, Russell and Marx; also Descartes, Nietzsche, Bohr, Demokritos, Sokrates, Aristoteles and Lobachevskij (yes, counts as a philosopher too).
by The Union of the West » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:47 am
by Conscentia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:47 am
Alvecia wrote:On your last point I'm not so sure that philosophy education encourages people to make their own worldview.
This is annecdotal, but I've found that those I know that actually have studied philosophy and philosophers tend to "identify" with certain philosophical icons or schools of thought. Taking on the ideals of others, and fitting into these handy little categories that they learn about.
Then there's people like myself who know next to nothing about the common, or uncommon, philosophical schools of thought and the ideals that those schools encompass. I personally have my ideals, my morals, and my ethics, and I don't ascribe them to any one person or school. I might align with certain ones if you were to compare me and them, but I've come to those ideals independent of past influences, which I think makes mine much more my own "worldview", than that of someone who identifies and empathises with certain schools, and attempts to emulate the ideals proscribed by said schools.
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by Feriq » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:33 am
by Aelex » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:49 am
by Feriq » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:58 am
Aelex wrote:Here in France it is mandatory for the three years of college for the section "L" (for Literature), the two last years of college for the section "E.S" (for Economic & Social) and for the last year of "S" (for Scientific).
I'm myself part of the last one and I have to say that I find said classes of Philosophy to be boring as shit as we're basically spending 4 hours a week listening to some guy blabbering about himself and are more or less ensured to have an overall average below 10 with a coefficient of 4 at the end of each trimester.
Now, I'm not really sure whether it's a good thing or not to have said mandatory classes but I would say that out of the little philosophy I read (Pascal and Descartes as well as some stoicians) none was because of or for (or even related to for a fair share) what we studied.
by Trotskylvania » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:47 pm
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by The Liberated Territories » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:50 pm
by Yoshida (Ancient) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:51 pm
by Risottia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:54 pm
Farnhamia wrote:You still owe Aristotle three drachmas, you know. Luckily, he's dead.
Descartes was a beloved friend of mine, though I will admit that I quickly became confused when we talked philosophy (it might have been the wine, too). Socrates was an interesting fellow but ... let's say eccentric.
by Afalia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:54 pm
by Afalia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:01 pm
Thunder Place wrote:My advice with Kiekegaard is not to despair when you inevitably have no idea what he's talking about the first ten times you read it, because the eleventh time it's very interesting. The Sickness unto Death is a decent starting point because it's so short.
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