Imperium Aeternum [AH/OOC/OPEN]

[Plzen]

Fascist-esque nationalists aren't fun to deal with, so I'd say that I like the current system.

Well, I mean, all those minority populations needs to be dealt with somehow.

20,000 Saxons and Frisians on our southern frontier is an eyesore that blights our national unity. Celtic or Russian minorities are all good and fine, but North German? Noooo.... that will never do.

I don't plan to have that party become significant politically, but they will become quite militant and significant socially.

[Plzen]

Revised primary languages to give better subtleties with the smaller minorities. Added a Russian minority and a Celtic minority.

Unless people have problems with it, this is final.

Scandinavian Population by Primary Language
Based on household surveys done by the Scandinavian Office of Statistics
Dialects and languages with less than 6,000 estimated speakers not shown.

Scandinavian - 9.48 millions, 78.5%
Swedish dialect - 4.51 millions^[1]
Danish dialect - 2.60 millions
Norwegian dialect - 2.26 millions
Icelandic dialect - 0.09 millions^[2]
Western dialect - 18,000

Finnish - 2.38 millions, 19.7%
Coastal dialect - 1.98 millions
Karelian dialect - 0.40 millions

Sami - 0.07 millions, 0.6%
Sami dialects - 0.07 millions^[3]

North German - 0.05 millions, 0.4%
Angle dialect - 43,000^[4]
Saxon dialect - 9,000

Russian - 0.05 millions, 0.4%
Novgorodian dialect - 46,000

Inuit - 0.02 millions, 0.2%
Inuit dialects - 21,000^[3]

Lowlander - 0.01 millions, 0.1%
North Frisian dialect - 14,000

Celtic^[5] - 0.01 millions, 0.1%
Highlander dialect - 6,000

Notes
[1] - Most linguists consider Norrland-Finnish Scandinavian to be a dialect separate from Swedish Scandinavian, but for statistical purposes they are both grouped under the Swedish dialect of Scandinavian.
[2] - Icelandic is sometimes considered a language separate from Scandinavian, due to its tenuous mutual intelligibility with the other Scandinavian dialects.
[3] - The Scandinavian Office of Statistics does not recognise individual dialects of Sami or Inuit.
[4] - The Angle dialect as spoken in Scandinavia has been heavily influenced by the Scandinavian language, and as such has marked differences with the Angle dialect as spoken in Saxony.
[5] - It is disputed whether Celtic is a single language. The official position of the Scandinavian Office of Statistics is that it is.

[Nancivania]

Jesus...

This RP seems very in-depth and impressive! I however noticed that all the playable countries were taken...
Anyways. I would like to join but am wondering if I could apply as a nation situated in unclaimed land or perhaps you could make some new ones? I apologize if this is a bit abrupt and I will say I'm not to skilled at this "roleplay" stuff but I really wish you could take me up on the offer!

P.S: Might I recommend California?

[Plzen]

Jesus...

This RP seems very in-depth and impressive! I however noticed that all the playable countries were taken...
Anyways. I would like to join but am wondering if I could apply as a nation situated in unclaimed land or perhaps you could make some new ones? I apologize if this is a bit abrupt and I will say I'm not to skilled at this "roleplay" stuff but I really wish you could take me up on the offer!

Yes. Any blank land on the political map is up for grabs. There is a little bit of (worthless arctic) land between Scandinavia and Russia that nobody's taken yet, much of Siberia's still open, and so on and so forth.

Also, not every "country" on the map have been taken. There's nobody playing as an Indian nation, for example - those two blobs are just guidelines.

[Nancivania]

Jesus...

This RP seems very in-depth and impressive! I however noticed that all the playable countries were taken...
Anyways. I would like to join but am wondering if I could apply as a nation situated in unclaimed land or perhaps you could make some new ones? I apologize if this is a bit abrupt and I will say I'm not to skilled at this "roleplay" stuff but I really wish you could take me up on the offer!

Yes. Any blank land on the political map is up for grabs. There is a little bit of (worthless arctic) land between Scandinavia and Russia that nobody's taken yet, much of Siberia's still open, and so on and so forth.

Also, not every "country" on the map have been taken. There's nobody playing as an Indian nation, for example - those two blobs are just guidelines.

Pfffffff...

Who cares about the Arctic? I'll take California! I'll work on the App right away...

[Plzen]

Pfffffff...

Who cares about the Arctic? I'll take California! I'll work on the App right away...

...?

Remember that European colonisation never crossed the Rocky Mountains in this timeline, so your California will have to either be culturally native American or Japanese (although Japanese colonisation is also a bit of a stretch). Maybe a mix of both.

[Nancivania]

Nation App - Imperium Aeternum:

Formal Nation Name: Japanese Peoples Republic of California
Informal Nation Name: Republic of California
Shortened Nation Name: California
Flag:
Coat of Arms/Other Symbols:
Government Type: A Republic in name only. Each of the main tribes as well as the Japanese population sends representatives to the Senate. The president is decided in a vote taken by all the leaders of each ethnic group in congress.
Head of State: Akio Kiriguya
Head of Government: Akio Kiriguya
Population: 5 million people (give or take a few inland tribes)
Capital: Sacramento
Location: Western United States. Mostly California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and parts of Utah,
Influence: Japan (a little over half the population are Japanese colonizers)
Military Population: 5000
History: (2 paragraphs, please.) The Japanese Peoples Republic of California was formed following the assimilation of the expelled Japanese who moved there from their home land, and many of the surrounding Native American tribes. It fought a long 5 year civil war immediately after independence as many of the tribes did not accept becoming a part of the country. Many saw it as a Japanese takeover and resisted with all their might. Eventually the treaty of Te Tote Roto Pa was signed and they accepted annexation so long as they were reserved seats in the senate and Congress and Japan promised to not colonize the lands. They also put forth the system of 3 capitals which was accepted by the government that was currently residing in Sacramento.

After the war the young nation suffered instability and near collapse for several years until the election of their first (mutually agreed) president who stabilized the nations government and economy. He also got the government to finance the tarns-California railway which connected the prosperous West to the still underdeveloped East. Eventually, the government put fourth their official declaration of "permanent neutrality" which stated that the state would not get involved in international wars unless attacked first. This is still a hotly debated topic in the Senate a many Japanese wish for a close relation with Japan on historical and economic grounds (Japan is our largest trading partner). To this day, California is a relatively weak and yet quickly growing country.
RP Example: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=394922
Imperium - DO NOT REMOVE

[Nancivania]

Pfffffff...

Who cares about the Arctic? I'll take California! I'll work on the App right away...

...?

Remember that European colonisation never crossed the Rocky Mountains in this timeline, so your California will have to either be culturally native American or Japanese (although Japanese colonisation is also a bit of a stretch). Maybe a mix of both.

Yah, I realized that and worked it in. Think it came out OK.

[Plzen]

O...kay. Criticism time!

Population: 10 million people (give or take a few inland tribes)

I honestly can't see this region having more than a couple million people at this level of development. Even 1 or 2 million people is a stretch.

Cascadia and Alasca just got settled, so this colony in California would also be very very new. This will also mean that the new country's control over the deep-inland territories like Idaho and Utah are going to be more hypothetical than real.

Capital: Sacramento (executive), Los Angeles (Legislative), Salt Lake City (Judicial). This is done as a compromise between all the ethnic groups as each wanted a different capital.

If the Japanese settled it, these cities probably have different names. Furthermore, Salt Lake City is deep inland. It's probably not much more than a trading outpost at this level of development, if even that.

Otherwise, it looks good to me. Of course, I'm not the OP or Co-OP here, so these are just suggestions.

[Nancivania]

O...kay. Criticism time!

Population: 10 million people (give or take a few inland tribes)

I honestly can't see this region having more than a couple million people at this level of development. Even 2 million people is a stretch.

Cascadia and Alasca just got settled, so this colony in California would also be very very new.

Capital: Sacramento (executive), Los Angeles (Legislative), Salt Lake City (Judicial). This is done as a compromise between all the ethnic groups as each wanted a different capital.

If the Japanese settled it, these cities probably have different names.

Otherwise, it looks good to me. Of course, I'm not the OP or Co-OP here, so these are just suggestions.

Thanks, I'll half the population BUT...
As a Californian I can't physically change the names...

P.S: Salt Lake City became a capital because of its surrounding areas having a high Native population. And because it was where the treaty was signed.

[The V O I D]

O...kay. Criticism time!


I honestly can't see this region having more than a couple million people at this level of development. Even 2 million people is a stretch.

Cascadia and Alasca just got settled, so this colony in California would also be very very new.


If the Japanese settled it, these cities probably have different names.

Otherwise, it looks good to me. Of course, I'm not the OP or Co-OP here, so these are just suggestions.

Thanks, I'll half the population BUT...
As a Californian I can't physically change the names...

P.S: Salt Lake City became a capital because of its surrounding areas having a high Native population. And because it was where the treaty was signed.

The only gripes I have with the apps is that, aside from SLC, the other two capitals should have either Japanese names or names in Native American. SLC should have a native american name for sure.

You can keep the names the same if you can translate them (or use a 'rough translation') into Japanese or some Native American language.

Also, the Japanese player needs to be at least somewhat okay with this. Japan is their nation after all.

When all these issues are resolved, I may accept your app.

[Khasinkonia]

Thanks, I'll half the population BUT...
As a Californian I can't physically change the names...

P.S: Salt Lake City became a capital because of its surrounding areas having a high Native population. And because it was where the treaty was signed.

The only gripes I have with the apps is that, aside from SLC, the other two capitals should have either Japanese names or names in Native American. SLC should have a native american name for sure.

You can keep the names the same if you can translate them (or use a 'rough translation') into Japanese or some Native American language.

Also, the Japanese player needs to be at least somewhat okay with this. Japan is their nation after all.

When all these issues are resolved, I may accept your app.

I have a few big nitpicks here:
1. The actual Empire has not yet colonised California, but plans to in the near future
2. Imperial Japanese colonialism has only just begun, so the population of Japanese will still be low in the Americas
3. Japan is highly unlikely to let such vast swaths of territory go free, especially under its current policy of Total Assimilation.
4. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the history conflict's with Japan's established method of colonialism, which involves them inviting the tribes to join the empire with full representation, in exchange for gifts. I'd suggest reading my post on the colonisation of Hawaii, which was my first post

I will agree to this app being accepted if those issues are resolved.

I would suggest to make California similar to British India. Currently, a company is in control, but the Japanese government only lets them stay in power because they have some other interests.
Or, this colony could be founded by Japanese people who are looked down upon in their homeland for some reason.
Another possible option is to simply have California as a colony of Japan with home rule, which, by the way, all colonies have. Any decisions involving other nations, however, must be run past the central government.

[Nancivania]

The only gripes I have with the apps is that, aside from SLC, the other two capitals should have either Japanese names or names in Native American. SLC should have a native american name for sure.

You can keep the names the same if you can translate them (or use a 'rough translation') into Japanese or some Native American language.

Also, the Japanese player needs to be at least somewhat okay with this. Japan is their nation after all.

When all these issues are resolved, I may accept your app.

I have a few big nitpicks here:
1. The actual Empire has not yet colonised California, but plans to in the near future
2. Imperial Japanese colonialism has only just begun, so the population of Japanese will still be low in the Americas
3. Japan is highly unlikely to let such vast swaths of territory go free, especially under its current policy of Total Assimilation.
4. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the history conflict's with Japan's established method of colonialism, which involves them inviting the tribes to join the empire with full representation, in exchange for gifts. I'd suggest reading my post on the colonisation of Hawaii, which was my first post

I will agree to this app being accepted if those issues are resolved.

I would suggest to make California similar to British India. Currently, a company is in control, but the Japanese government only lets them stay in power because they have some other interests.
Or, this colony could be founded by Japanese people who are looked down upon in their homeland for some reason.
Another possible option is to simply have California as a colony of Japan with home rule, which, by the way, all colonies have. Any decisions involving other nations, however, must be run past the central government.

Thanks for the ideas. I'll get to work right away. Oh, and thank you!

[The V O I D]

Once all of that is taken care of, let me know so I can accept you and add you to the accepted list.

[Sivio]

I apologize for my absence. What did I miss?

[Nancivania]

Once all of that is taken care of, let me know so I can accept you and add you to the accepted list.

Pretty sure I'm all finished up. BTW, Sacramento is named for the Sacramento River (which was named by Native Americans)

[The V O I D]

Nation App - Imperium Aeternum:

Formal Nation Name: Japanese Peoples Republic of California
Informal Nation Name: Republic of California
Shortened Nation Name: California
Flag: (Image)
Coat of Arms/Other Symbols: (Image)
Government Type: A Republic in name only. Each of the main tribes as well as the Japanese population sends representatives to the Senate. The president is decided in a vote taken by all the leaders of each ethnic group in congress.
Head of State: Akio Kiriguya
Head of Government: Akio Kiriguya
Population: 5 million people (give or take a few inland tribes)
Capital: Sacramento (executive), Dragons Gate (Legislative), Te Tote Roto Pa (Judicial). This is done as a compromise between all the ethnic groups as each wanted a different capital.
Location: Western United States. Mostly California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and parts of Utah,
Influence: Japan (a little over half the population are Japanese colonizers)
Military Population: 5000
History: (2 paragraphs, please.) The Japanese Peoples Republic of California was formed following the assimilation of the expelled Japanese who moved there from their home land, and many of the surrounding Native American tribes. It fought a long 5 year civil war immediately after independence as many of the tribes did not accept becoming a part of the country. Many saw it as a Japanese takeover and resisted with all their might. Eventually the treaty of Te Tote Roto Pa was signed and they accepted annexation so long as they were reserved seats in the senate and Congress and Japan promised to not colonize the lands. They also put forth the system of 3 capitals which was accepted by the government that was currently residing in Sacramento.

After the war the young nation suffered instability and near collapse for several years until the election of their first (mutually agreed) president who stabilized the nations government and economy. He also got the government to finance the tarns-California railway which connected the prosperous West to the still underdeveloped East. Eventually, the government put fourth their official declaration of "permanent neutrality" which stated that the state would not get involved in international wars unless attacked first. This is still a hotly debated topic in the Senate a many Japanese wish for a close relation with Japan on historical and economic grounds (Japan is our largest trading partner). To this day, California is a relatively weak and yet quickly growing country.
RP Example: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=394922
Imperium - DO NOT REMOVE

Seems good to me, if no one else has any objections.

Will add you to the accepted list and map soon, if so.

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

I'm such a lazy arse, not finishing my apps and all that shiet.

[Sivio]

Political and Influence

I added California and my claims to the Great Lakes region. If y'all want me to remove it until I roleplay me colonizing the states within the region, then okay. So far, I think I only did Ohio and southern Michigan.

[Khasinkonia]

Political and Influence

I added California and my claims to the Great Lakes region. If y'all want me to remove it until I roleplay me colonizing the states within the region, then okay. So far, I think I only did Ohio and southern Michigan.

California is a Japanese autonomous territory, so it would fall under Japanese influence.

[The V O I D]

Political and Influence

I added California and my claims to the Great Lakes region. If y'all want me to remove it until I roleplay me colonizing the states within the region, then okay. So far, I think I only did Ohio and southern Michigan.

California is a Japanese autonomous territory, so it would fall under Japanese influence.

I'll add the updated/fixed influence map when Siv can get to it, but for now they are both updated and Cali is accepted.

[Nancivania]

California is a Japanese autonomous territory, so it would fall under Japanese influence.

I'll add the updated/fixed influence map when Siv can get to it, but for now they are both updated and Cali is accepted.

WAHOO!

[Kerbodine]

Scandinavia will probably stay neutral, except possibly intervening to restore order in the event that Germania collapses under the strain of war (like they did IRL in WWI).

Without anyone (which you're the only prime candidate) blocking off our food lines and supply routes (like the British blockade during the Great War), it's unlikely we'd fall to internal strife like IRL; although our federation is currently somewhat fragile, it's in a "gee, the central government is relatively week" rather than a "we should all separate!" way.

So, any thoughts on the 1840 Scandinavian elections? Any party you particularly want to see winning/losing?

I've voiced this before, but the Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti are interesting. That being said, realistically, I'd rather they didn't do too terribly well (and I don't think anyone expects them to be anywhere close to a major party).

I think I'm going to do a newspaper post, I've always found those fun.

[Plzen]

I think I'm going to do a newspaper post, I've always found those fun.

More IC posts!

Those are always good.

[Kerbodine]

More IC posts!

Those are always good.

But of course!

...Secondary Powers' (Scandinavia,...

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