1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Waztaskio]

May join this. Mind reserving me the Spanish Mainland? Trying to get ideas here.

[The V O I D]

Gonna finish my app in the morning and edit its history n stuff.

[Kievan Rus Republic]

It's industrialization, Argentina basically lagged massively considering its previous riches pre-WW1 and at WW1. But yes, its all thanks to shitty pseudo-fascist policies followed by shitty left wing policies.

They were in decline before industrialization. I blame it more so on political instability.

They need to learn from the Chilean model.

South America is synonymous with political instability in this time period.

Well, they are trying now, aren't they?

[Danceria]

...How would you even get there...?

Considering how this RP goes, I think that's not the weirdest thing ever putted up.

But seriously, the sheer distance between Brazil and True Rome...

[Kievan Rus Republic]

May join this. Mind reserving me the Spanish Mainland? Trying to get ideas here.

I think someone reserve it first? but no one responded so...

[Trotza]

May join this. Mind reserving me the Spanish Mainland? Trying to get ideas here.

Think that's been mentioned before in this thread. Might want to word search it.

[Sanabel]

May join this. Mind reserving me the Spanish Mainland? Trying to get ideas here.

Think that's been mentioned before in this thread. Might want to word search it.

Zelent posted about how he's eyein' that.

[Trotza]

Calling the Koreans mongol/chinese seems like a good way to anger them.

Oh. Where can I find that app, I might need it to refer to.

No app that I'm aware of, but I'm pretty sure Osc is returning to his role as Korea, albeit turned more inward this time expansion wise.

[Kievan Rus Republic]

I reserving this btw: http://imgur.com/a/iPy55

[Waztaskio]

Think that's been mentioned before in this thread. Might want to word search it.

Zelent posted about how he's eyein' that.

Hum...let em' have it then. Still thinking of ideas.

[Sanabel]

Zelent posted about how he's eyein' that.

Hum...let em' have it then. Still thinking of ideas.

We need a France, Bohemia, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, Lithuania, USA, etc.

[Kievan Rus Republic]

WIP

Full Nation Name : The Sultanate of Kartaaj
Majority/Official Culture : Kartaaj (Some sort of Tunisian-dominated North Africa culture)
Territorial Core : http://imgur.com/a/iPy55
Territorial Claim : egypt and morroco
Capital City : Kartaaj, modern day Tunis
Population :

Government Type : Prussian Constitution, where the Sultan still held some degree of power on the parliament
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, maritime, expansionist, militarist
Government Focus : [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]]
Head of State : [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]]
Head of Government : [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]]
Government Description :

Majority/State Religion : [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]]
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]]
Major Production :
Economic Description :

Army Strength :
Army Weakness :
Naval Strength :
Naval Weakness :
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals :
National Issues : [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]]
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]

Comparison Points – Political : [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Economy : [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Military : [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]]
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : /10

[Trotza]

I reserving this btw: http://imgur.com/a/iPy55

Why use the modern political lines that back then would seem incredibly arbitrary?

[Sanabel]

I reserving this btw: http://imgur.com/a/iPy55

Why use the modern political lines that back then would seem incredibly arbitrary?

Seriously...why have angular lines of random desert?

[Trotza]

I would try something more like this (though personally I think a lasting Tunis would be more of a coastal nation to not have to deal with raging Berbers and Tuaregs). It's not like you'd lose any population practically, and it fits the map a bit more aesthetically.

[Conchabira]

WIP

Full Nation Name : The Sultanate of Kartaaj
Majority/Official Culture : Kartaaj (Some sort of Tunisian-dominated North Africa culture)
Territorial Core : http://imgur.com/a/iPy55
Territorial Claim : egypt and morroco
Capital City : Kartaaj, modern day Tunis
Population :

Government Type : Prussian Constitution, where the Sultan still held some degree of power on the parliament
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, maritime, expansionist, militarist
Government Focus : [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]]
Head of State : [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]]
Head of Government : [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]]
Government Description :

Majority/State Religion : [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]]
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]]
Major Production :
Economic Description :

Army Strength :
Army Weakness :
Naval Strength :
Naval Weakness :
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals :
National Issues : [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]]
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]

Comparison Points – Political : [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Economy : [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Military : [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]]
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : /10

I reserved Algeria and Libya is taken already, There's stuff available in SE Asia, Central Asia, and quite a bit in the new world and some left in Eastern Europe.

[Sanabel]

When was Libya taken?

[Togeria]

Full Nation Name :
English: Glorious Empire of Callista
Latin: Imperium Callistae
Majority/Official Culture : Eastern Roman(Latin).
Territorial Core :

http://imgur.com/2zMXZBU

Territorial Claim : N/A
Capital City : Theodora(Modern Brasilia)
Population : 18,326,000

Government Type : Monarchy(Pseudo-oligarchy)
Government Ideology/Policies : Monarchism, Romanticism(anything pertaining to Rome), Militarism.
Government Focus : The focus of the country is to apply the principles of the Roman Empire to the Americas. The government early on adopted a policy of coexistence with the natives until 1799 when government policy shifted towards extreme Latinizing through the prospect of making Latin the only official language in the empire, often forced intermarriage between natives and the settling populace, and establishing a national church in order to spread Orthodox Christianity to the populace as a whole. This had lead to increased tensions with the natives still present within the empire who view the Callistian people as oppressive of natives cultures within the country and continent.
Head of State : Imperator Cyrus Amadeus
Head of Government : Counsel Clitus Constans
Government Description : The government is structured much in the way of a parliamentary system with the Emperor being the head of state and controlling such aspects as the military in times of war and peace. Below them is the Senate which handles affairs both domestically and foreign and has the ability to recognize religion, declare peace and war, levy taxes, etc. The Imperator assigns and relieves ministers of their duty within the senate and holds supreme control of the military both naval and ground units with a clause allowing that other additions deemed necessary for the defense of the state are to be allocated to the Imperator(I.E an Airforce). This doesn't give the Imperator supreme power however as a military order exist within the state and is a meeting between the Imperator and several high ranking generals to best discuss militant affairs of the country. Further, the senate is open to all within the empire of significant Latin birth(being half born) in which they take a test called the "Permagnum" which assess the intelligence and loyalty to state of the individual before entry within the Senate.
Majority/State Religion : Orthodoxy
Religious Description : Due to previous ties with the Roman Empire the religion of the country is Orthodoxy with a Theodorian Church representing and held as the highest church within Callista.

Economic Ideologies : Mercantile Capitalism, limited collectivization.
Major Production : Agriculture(Da big one), Industry.
Economic Description : Agriculture is the crux of the economy with the land being able to produce a variety of goods from grains such as wheat and rice, to potatoes and apples. Coffee is the biggest export however and through the revenue collected from taxes it's used to fund the creation of several factories along the coast and interior of the country to manufacture other such goods like machine parts and steel. The government backs the funding of private companies to see the creation of factories and these goods for stock within the companies created as a result. The government plays a strong role in the economic development of the state sponsoring and subsidizing companies that look to push the country further towards industrialization.

Army Strength :
Active- 100,000
Reserve-150,000
With one of the largest armed forces within the Americas the army acts as the backbone of the country and helps it maintain territorial and political independence and isolation from other neighboring powers and abroad. With the recent push towards industrialization the military has seen a update in its uniform and equipment to keep up with the standard of other European nations.
Army Weakness : Due to Callista having being a strongly agraian country most of its life with only recent industrialization brought on by the government many in the army are lacking in terms of other such nations with the urban poor making up the majority of the force. Further many rail roads and telegram lines still must be built and limit the speed of the Army to mobilize and thus slows the war effort of the country as a whole.
Naval Strength : The navy like the army is an increasingly industrializing force with modern battleships in the process of being built to protect the homeland itself and if needed act as an attacking force.
Active: 11,000
Reserve: 36,000
Naval Weakness :The navy is significantly smaller when compared to other nations and even other neighboring powers. Further the ship designs of the Callistan navy are smaller compared to other powers to access the shallowest points of the Amazon river. Further, the navy is to act as an almost exclusively defensive force and protect the coast and ports of Callista.
Further Military Description :

National Goals : Maintain political independence, achieve industrialization by 1900, and create a strong and thriving Latin culture within the Americas.
National Issues : The biggest national issue facing Callista is its social strucuture. In theory the social hirearchy is broken into three different sectors.

Romani: Those who have strong Latin blood(Their lineage coming from either the Western or Eastern Roman Empires)

Romanis: Those who have weak Latin blood(I.E the French, Spanish, or any Romance peoples)

Barbari: Those with no connection to Rome.

This social structure extremely limits the populace with often those who are classified as Romani holding significant ranks of power within the government despite the government in theory having developed along meritocractic principles. With the recent push into industrialization from the government their now faced with a big question to either maintain the Latin based system in latinizing the cultures or adopting a more tolerant stance in adopting other peoples and cultures in the country.
National Figures of Interest : N/A
National Ambition/Aspirations : Aspire the greatness as seen by the height of the Roman Empire and then Eclipse it.
History :
-1508, what would become Callista is founded by the sailor Alexander Bernadus
-1510, "Callista" is coined as the name of the resulting colonies to describe the beauty of the land and the Amazon.
-1545, Treaty of Iconium formalizes Callista as a farming colony of the Eastern Roman Empire
-1555, after ten years and multiple incursions with the natives the governor of the colony with approval from the Roman Emperor begins the "1st Callistan-Native" war, pushing several tribes westward.
-1579, Callista is granted the title of "Overseas Province" By the Eastern Roman Emperor officially making it an Exarchy
-1639, After years of serving as an overseas position the colony is left idle as civil war persist on the home continent, with the Exarch deciding to not choose between Livius or August the shortly lived "Callistan Republic" is proclaimed but holds little sway and is left vulnerable to outside attacks.
-1642, After a few years of independence the Consul, Abraham Theodorus sends letter to August requesting formal aid from the empire. This is granted on the condition that the republic return back under the guidance of Rome, which is granted.
-1650-1689, a series of provocations between the natives and the colonist leads to the Exarch issuing a "Mark of Glory" to those who move out west in an effort to take native land and pacify the area, this leads to a series of wars between the Latin peoples and the Native South American people. Further, during this time is the first time a policy of coexistence is ended in the pursuit of formal Latinization with the Exarchs adopting the motto,"Speak Latin, Think Latin". This further leads to the border of the colony greatly expanding to the river Acantha(Madeira). This brings with it new farmland that increases the number of migrants into the colony, but still being undermanned the Roman Emperor resorts to import of slave labor from Africa to farm the crops within the land namely sugarcane and coffee.
-1690-1700, a series of war expand the colony to its current frontier on the hinges of the Amazon and River Negro leading to a number of natives people being within the empires jurisdiction. Unlike before however the Exarch aims for a policy of co-existence in only utilizing the newly acquired land for resources and farmland.
-1710, bad farming practices and flooding of the Amazon lead to 4yr long starvation period within the colony. Couples by recent wars within the colony both on behalf of the empire and against the natives many colonist begin to grow disatified with the empire's rule over the colony and looking to direct the people's attention towards the empire proper and not his own negligence Exarch Iduma Theodorus begins to unofficially support these growing qualms.
-1741, the people lead under Alexander Amadeus overthrow the Exarch Iduma and crown him 1st Emperor of Callista. This leads to war with the Eastern Roman Empire which sees this as a direct threat to interest in the colony and further insult to the reigning monarch to allow such insurrection. What follows is a ten year long war that sees the colony's capital of Theodora taken by Eastern Roman forces, but this itself doesn't deter the who's emperor Alexander escapes and makes camp in the city of Verbena(Manaus). On their way north the Byzantine troops encounter tough resistance through the Amazon rainforest where the colonist manage to slow down their numbers through small skirmishes through the rainforest. This leads to a series of expeditions into the rainforest in an effort to push out rebel camps who utilize the tactics of the natives their in keeping movement, further some colonist craft their own bows and arrows which they utilize during rainstorms in the forest to great effect, in an effort to avoid their weapons clogging up from rain and water and slowing them down. Despite reaching the city of Verbena, the Byzantine troops are beaten back and are forced to be evacuated by river to the coast. Demoralized the last major battle occurs within the city of Bernadia which leads to Byzantine troops being pushed and almost surrounded within the coastal city, still maintaining a strong naval presence however they manage to board several ships and are evacuated.
-1751, upon returning and seeing the condition of his men the emperor sends and official message to the colonist granting them De Facto independence which is later formalized in the Treaty of Rome.
-1751-1800, upon receiving independence the emperor begins rebuilding the country. During the course many farms were burned down and as a result the major industry of the new country is put at risk. As the country rebuilds itself it looks to new world itself as an outlet to sell its grain as well as its former colonizer, Eastern Rome. Further, to encourage the immigration of Latin peoples within the country Emperor Alexander creates the "Ancestral Supreme" system which states the more Latin someone is the higher they are in society. This was adopted as most the colonist at the time who were educated were Latin, further it was done to bring back the lucrative trade that was supplied by the Eastern Roman Empire. Those who were descendants of Rome proper were given the highest position with those with who were once under Roman rule(i.e France, Spain) were given secondary positions. This system also proved beneficial to some slaves as their descendants who happened to be half Callistan automatically qualified within the highest position in society and as such were able to receive proper education. During this time too the revenue gathered from selling agricultural goods was utilized to build a professional military and navy to work in the defense of the country.
-1820-1860, During this period the country slowly begins its transition from an agricultural nation towards a industrial nation. With the vast amount of farmland present along with a climate suitable for all types of vegetables and fruits, the state looks to utilize this in selling its goods. Further, the emperor at this time Empress, Valeria Amadeus II during her rule(1831-1860) ushers in mini-golden age within the country by creating stronger ties with Rome Proper(both east and west Rome), creating a more democratic society by allocating more power to the senate such giving them the powers to recognize religion and mandate conscription, spreading the orthodox faith throughout the land, creating treaties with the natives that would see their incorporation into the empire, and after the Great Slave Revolt of 1852 she would partially criminalize that slavery by making it illegal to buy or purchase slaves which would lead to slavery being fully criminalize slavery in 1856. Further she would help spread the Latin language, by passing the Ancestral Supreme system and opening education to those living in the cities, in doing this the Senate made all class taught be done in Latin and no other language with Roman-Callistan history taught throughout in order to promote nationalism throughout the state. Further farmers and their children would be required to spend at least 3yrs within school before returning to their homes. During this period the country to avoid the influence of the outside world continually adopted an isolationist policy through controlled trade by opening certain docks to foreign countries, establishing alliances only with American nation and Rome, and only allowing Rome the privileges of entering the country beyond its ports.
-1860-1870, With Empress Valeria's death in 1860 her son, Cyrus would ascend to the throne. With a more liberal view than his mother he aims to continue to peaceful age that has dominated Callista, but seeing growing changes within the world and his own experience within Eastern Rome itself he sees the importance of industrialization. While having a few factories along the coast before he aims to steer the country within a new direction. Terming what the government has called the "Callisti Renovamen" as after such a period of isolation and controlled trade the country looks to open itself. Throughout adopting economic structures of similar to that of Hansa in government regulated enterprise, modernizing the military by purchasing the bulk of its equipment from Rome, and reorganizing the government system to allow the formation of increased factories and immigrants, Cyrus looks to create a modernized, Latin, European society in the Americas. This however has brought much contention between him and his critics who see him as the bane of his mother's legacy. Many farmers and politicians have rallied against him with rumors of groups of farmers in the west plotting form a movement to create an agrarian republic to either depose or secede from the empire entirely.
Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[Waztaskio]

Hum...let em' have it then. Still thinking of ideas.

We need a France, Bohemia, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, Lithuania, USA, etc.

France and USA is interesting to me. Reserve....USA.

[Danceria]

We need a France, Bohemia, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, Lithuania, USA, etc.

France and USA is interesting to me. Reserve....USA.

May I incorporate Poland-Lithuania under the glorious Vasa Dynasty?

[Sanabel]

France and USA is interesting to me. Reserve....USA.

May I incorporate Poland-Lithuania under the glorious Vasa Dynasty?

If you do that you'll be the largest empire in Europe.

[Danceria]

May I incorporate Poland-Lithuania under the glorious Vasa Dynasty?

If you do that you'll be the largest empire in Europe.

...Yeah, I'll take an overseas Empire.

Be better that way, more Viking.

[Trotza]

We need a France, Bohemia, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, Lithuania, USA, etc.

France and USA is interesting to me. Reserve....USA.

If you want to make a play for it I'd advise making an app, as others have expressed interest. On that note, it'd be courteous to inquire with Cabana to see if they've officially moved on from that New England theocracy idea to a South African state, but that's just me. Also, be aware at least some of the west is bound to be gone.

[Kievan Rus Republic]

WIP

Full Nation Name : The Sultanate of Kartaaj
Majority/Official Culture : Kartaaj (Some sort of Tunisian-dominated North Africa culture)
Territorial Core : http://imgur.com/a/iPy55
Territorial Claim : egypt and morroco
Capital City : Kartaaj, modern day Tunis
Population :

Government Type : Prussian Constitution, where the Sultan still held some degree of power on the parliament
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, maritime, expansionist, militarist
Government Focus : [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]]
Head of State : [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]]
Head of Government : [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]]
Government Description :

Majority/State Religion : [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]]
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]]
Major Production :
Economic Description :

Army Strength :
Army Weakness :
Naval Strength :
Naval Weakness :
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals :
National Issues : [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]]
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]

Comparison Points – Political : [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Economy : [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Military : [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]]
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : /10

I reserved Algeria and Libya is taken already, There's stuff available in SE Asia, Central Asia, and quite a bit in the new world and some left in Eastern Europe.

Seriously? Oh god, what's NOT taken here? It seems every white spot on the map already has claim over it

[Intermountain States]

I always lurk in this thread, any nation needed?