Is liberal society breeding homosexuality?

[Lavochkin]

It promotes others into being it.

No it doesn't.

I grew up in a very conservative household with no interaction with any gay peeps. And guess what I'm gay

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

[San Lumen]

No it doesn't.

I grew up in a very conservative household with no interaction with any gay peeps. And guess what I'm gay

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

Yes clearly they are all lying because saying your gay is the cool thing to do.

[United States of United States Of]

I will go as far as saying that a more Liberal, left-leaning society does in fact result, mostly, in more openly gay people. Whether this is good or not is up to the reader's opinion. That's pretty much as neutral as you can get.

[Aryazertriaopia]

I wouldn't say that it's some kind of conspiracy/gay agenda thing, but I think that it does in some ways. Western liberal societies have proven accepting of LGBT rights, and more and more people are aware of them and view them as an alternative to being straight. I've talked to lesbians who say that they just want to try it-- they weren't born gay, but instead just see it as an option, and I've talked to people that go back and forth between being straight and gay-- they're not bisexual because they swear that they're not gay after they break up with someone of their own spouse, and swear they're not straight when they break up with a partner of the opposite sex. All of these people are adults-- the issue of every teenage girl identifying as lesbian is a different discussion.

[Neutraligon]

No it doesn't.

I grew up in a very conservative household with no interaction with any gay peeps. And guess what I'm gay

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

Interesting considering I believe there was a study that had those who were gender fluid had sensations of phantom penises/breasts when they were that particular gender.

Edit: Hmm can't seem to find it.

[The Twelve Isles]

I think that Liberal society is just making it more acceptable to be gay. (Though as a person who is far more center than left or right, I would say that while liberals opened the doors, both left and right are becoming far more accepting on both sides.) The reason I think it is becoming more common for people to identify as LGBT is because more people are comfortable with experimenting and learning ab out themselves as they grow up, rather than just having to assume that they are straight.

I also think that the new acceptance of being gay, as well as the western ideal of being an individual, unique from everyone else has led many to say that they are gay, though in actuallity they are just trying to get an idea of who they are, and are much more likely not truly LGBT. But, maybe im wrong. Im not gay, so I am in no way a leading expert on why people are gay, and why so many more people are identifying as LGBT these days.

[Thermodolia]

No it doesn't.

I grew up in a very conservative household with no interaction with any gay peeps. And guess what I'm gay

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

I don't how that means I'm not gay or whathave you. My parents where very controlling and didn't allow us to watch that much TV.

[Farnhamia]

No it doesn't.

I grew up in a very conservative household with no interaction with any gay peeps. And guess what I'm gay

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

This is damned close to trolling. The only reason you're not being warned is because you have a clean record.

Oh, and your signature is way too long. You get 8 visible lines. Spoilers are 1.5, empty boxes 2, empty quote boxes are 3.

[Lavochkin]

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

This is damned close to trolling. The only reason you're not being warned is because you have a clean record.

Oh, and your signature is way too long. You get 8 visible lines. Spoilers are 1.5, empty boxes 2, empty quote boxes are 3.

How is that trolling? As you stated I have a clean record and am not a troll and I will give you legitimate proof that:

- There is no such thing as "gender fluid".
- There is only 2 genders.
- Many celebrities are now claiming they are gay or lesbian despite them not being gay or lesbian (or both).
- Claiming you are gender fluid is offensive to those who are gay or lesbian. Any true gay/lesbian person would know. A gay person doesn't decide the next day "I'm now interested in females again".

I'll happily defend my statements in a respectful way.

Also I've had run in's with mods before and none of them said my sig was too long. Why now?

I'm seriously considering reporting this as abuse of powers if you ban/warn me for this.

[Neutraligon]

This is damned close to trolling. The only reason you're not being warned is because you have a clean record.

Oh, and your signature is way too long. You get 8 visible lines. Spoilers are 1.5, empty boxes 2, empty quote boxes are 3.

How is that trolling? As you stated I have a clean record and am not a troll and I will give you legitimate proof that:

- There is no such thing as "gender fluid".
- There is only 2 genders.
- Many celebrities are now claiming they are gay or lesbian despite them not being gay or lesbian (or both).
- Claiming you are gender fluid is offensive to those who are gay or lesbian. Any true gay/lesbian person would know. A gay person doesn't decide the next day "I'm now interested in females again".

I'll happily defend my statements in a respectful way.

Also I've had run in's with mods before and none of them said my sig was too long. Why now?

I'm seriously considering reporting this as abuse of powers if you ban/warn me for this.

You have evidence that gender fluid does not exist? As someone who is pansexual I fail to see ho it is offensive. hey a no true scotsman. For that matter...I fail to see how gender has anything to do with homosexuality.

[Thermodolia]

This is damned close to trolling. The only reason you're not being warned is because you have a clean record.

Oh, and your signature is way too long. You get 8 visible lines. Spoilers are 1.5, empty boxes 2, empty quote boxes are 3.

How is that trolling? As you stated I have a clean record and am not a troll and I will give you legitimate proof that:

1. - There is no such thing as "gender fluid".
2. - There is only 2 genders.
3. - Many celebrities are now claiming they are gay or lesbian despite them not being gay or lesbian (or both).
4. - Claiming you are gender fluid is offensive to those who are gay or lesbian. Any true gay/lesbian person would know. A gay person doesn't decide the next day "I'm now interested in females again".

I'll happily defend my statements in a respectful way.

Also I've had run in's with mods before and none of them said my sig was too long. Why now?

I'm seriously considering reporting this as abuse of powers if you ban/warn me for this.

As an actual gay man I'm not offended by gender fluid people, mainly because I know the gender =/= sexuality. What I am offended about are straight people telling me what I'm supposed to be offended about.

1. Yes there is.
2. That's highly subjective and depends on your culture. Some tribes in New Guinea have 5 genders and some Native American tribes have 3 genders.
3. What celebrities? Please show proof.
4. NO! Its not offensive. Gender isn't equal to sexuality. Gender is how you feel and sexuality is what you are attracted to

[Lavochkin]

How is that trolling? As you stated I have a clean record and am not a troll and I will give you legitimate proof that:

- There is no such thing as "gender fluid".
- There is only 2 genders.
- Many celebrities are now claiming they are gay or lesbian despite them not being gay or lesbian (or both).
- Claiming you are gender fluid is offensive to those who are gay or lesbian. Any true gay/lesbian person would know. A gay person doesn't decide the next day "I'm now interested in females again".

I'll happily defend my statements in a respectful way.

Also I've had run in's with mods before and none of them said my sig was too long. Why now?

I'm seriously considering reporting this as abuse of powers if you ban/warn me for this.

You have evidence that gender fluid does not exist? As someone who is pansexual I fail to see ho it is offensivel. For that matter...I fail to see how gender has anything to do with homosexuality.

That's the point. Gender and sexuality shouldn't be considered the same, but many people fail to see this and sexually identifies as something else while claiming their gender is different as well. My LGBT friends wouldn't like it if I came to them and said they are "gender fluid".

[Neutraligon]

You have evidence that gender fluid does not exist? As someone who is pansexual I fail to see ho it is offensivel. For that matter...I fail to see how gender has anything to do with homosexuality.

That's the point. Gender and sexuality shouldn't be considered the same, but many people fail to see this and sexually identifies as something else while claiming their gender is different as well. My LGBT friends wouldn't like it if I came to them and said they are "gender fluid".

So then why are you the one mixing up gender and sexuality? That and a person can be homosexual and trans.They probably wouldn't appreciate you telling them how they feel about anything. I am sure someone who is trans would not appreciate being told they are gay. I am sure someone who is gender fluid would not appreciate being told they are liars.

I notice you gave no evidence fro your claim that gender fluid does not exist.

[The Serbian Empire]

No it doesn't.

I grew up in a very conservative household with no interaction with any gay peeps. And guess what I'm gay

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

You mean Milo Stewart's a liar? I'll believe him whether you do or don't.

[Anadarsia]

Could you be successfully encouraged or convinced to be attracted to members of the same sex?

Depends on the individual, some are firmly grounded in their current preference, but it is possible to influence some people's sexual orientation yes. The psyche of humans is even weaker than their body.


http://www.exgaystudy.org/ex-gays/study-synopsis

[Anadarsia]

I wouldn't say that it's some kind of conspiracy/gay agenda thing, but I think that it does in some ways. Western liberal societies have proven accepting of LGBT rights, and more and more people are aware of them and view them as an alternative to being straight. I've talked to lesbians who say that they just want to try it-- they weren't born gay, but instead just see it as an option, and I've talked to people that go back and forth between being straight and gay-- they're not bisexual because they swear that they're not gay after they break up with someone of their own spouse, and swear they're not straight when they break up with a partner of the opposite sex. All of these people are adults-- the issue of every teenage girl identifying as lesbian is a different discussion.

I have identified the same trend in several occasions with people.
Remember that study in the UK last year where 1 in 2 identified as something "Other than 100% heterosexual". Sincerely doubt the numbers would have been the same 25 years ago.

[Sungai Pusat]

Tell that to the thousands of celebrities claiming they are gay or lesbian or some other kind of non-existent gender.

Or all those people now claiming they are "Gender Fluid". The only fluid there is the brain fluid leaking out of their heads.

You mean Milo Stewart's a liar? I'll believe him whether you do or don't.

Glancing at what seems to be attached to him, there is, I suppose, precedent to say he might be inclined not to be completely truthful about his gender identity, like it is for celebrities to be too (The whole sense of attention being drawn to them and everything)

Still, I mean for either side, there's plenty to draw attention to them anyways; those things are just the cherry on the cake (Or flies on a pile of poo) with regards to their stardom, so honestly I'm more inclined to believe that it could be genuine regardless.

[Neutraligon]

Could you be successfully encouraged or convinced to be attracted to members of the same sex?

Depends on the individual, some are firmly grounded in their current preference, but it is possible to influence some people's sexual orientation yes. The psyche of humans is even weaker than their body.


http://www.exgaystudy.org/ex-gays/study-synopsis

Big problem with the study, there is no evidence that there was actual change in sexual orientation rather then in actions. Once again one can be homosexual and never have sex with a man, or have sex with only women.

[Sungai Pusat]

I wouldn't say that it's some kind of conspiracy/gay agenda thing, but I think that it does in some ways. Western liberal societies have proven accepting of LGBT rights, and more and more people are aware of them and view them as an alternative to being straight. I've talked to lesbians who say that they just want to try it-- they weren't born gay, but instead just see it as an option, and I've talked to people that go back and forth between being straight and gay-- they're not bisexual because they swear that they're not gay after they break up with someone of their own spouse, and swear they're not straight when they break up with a partner of the opposite sex. All of these people are adults-- the issue of every teenage girl identifying as lesbian is a different discussion.

I have identified the same trend in several occasions with people.
Remember that study in the UK last year where 1 in 2 identified as something "Other than 100% heterosexual". Sincerely doubt the numbers would have been the same 25 years ago.

...because maybe that implies that they're not... well, 100% straight.

That's as much as that implies; could be 99%, could be 95%

Could mean anything from "I've slept exclusively with people of my gender" to "I might've fantasised about it, so... eh, maybe I'm not."

Still, you're right; the numbers would probably be different years ago because people wouldn't have been as inclined to be more open about those kinds of things, yes.

[Venerable Bede]

No, liberal societies don't breed.

[Anadarsia]

No, liberal societies don't breed.

Haha. Wish I could thumbs up or something. First time I actually laughed a bit at a joke in this place. You end up assuming it's all catty and failed attempts at wittiness from the part of uni dorm inhabitants.

Cheers.

[Pandeeria]

Liberal society has bred acceptance of homosexuality, not homosexuality itself.

[Sungai Pusat]

No, liberal societies don't breed.

Haha. Wish I could thumbs up or something. First time I actually laughed a bit at a joke in this place. You end up assuming it's all catty and failed attempts at wittiness from the part of uni dorm inhabitants.

Cheers.

I presume it's a difference in taste.

[Anadarsia]

Liberal society has bred acceptance of homosexuality, not homosexuality itself.

Yeah that's the ideological premise, but data seems to be a bit more complex than that. Even though it does seem the % of people who will identify solidly as homosexual is stable, there is a noticeable rise in bisexuality and people being more willing to 'experiment' as time goes by.

http://psy2.fau.edu/~shermanr/Gay&LesbianSex5-3-16.pdf

The number of U.S. adults who had at least one same-sex partner since age 18 doubled between the early 1990s and early 2010s (from 3.6% to 8.7% for women and from 4.5% to 8.2% for men). Bisexual behavior (having sex with both male and female partners) increased from 3.1% to 7.7%, accounting for much of the rise, with little consistent change in those having sex exclusively with same-sex partners. The increase in same-sex partners was larger for women than for men, consistent with erotic plasticity theory.

But perhaps even more interestingly, there is a clear sociocultural dimension to the phenomenon:

Increases in same-sex sexual behavior were largest in the South and Midwest and among Whites, were mostly absent among Blacks, and
were smaller among the religious. Overall, same-sex sexual behavior has become both more common (or at least more commonly reported) and more accepted.

Seems clear that the finding common ground with the gaytheist population may lead to higher willingness to engage in homosexual activity.

[Targovia]

Not necessarily.

Liberal societies tend to allow people to express themselves in ways that, say a deeply oppressive Islamic society (ie, Saudi Arabia) or Christian (All of medieval Europe), etc. would typically allow.