Glen-Rhodes wrote:GenSec 1: Sees a proposal in the submission list, notices a possible rules violation
GenSec 1: "Hey guys, we should review this. This clause might violate this rule."
GenSec 2 (5 minutes later): "After reading, I agree. It does violate that rule."
GenSec 3: "I see the point and I agree."
GenSec 4: "Sorry, I don't ageee."
GenSec 5: "I'm with 4 on this, I don't agree."
GenSec 6: "I actually agree it's illegal."
Can anybody explain why GenSec 1 needs to recuse? What conflict of interest is there, compared to GenSec 2? Why is being the first to notice so bad? What happens if GenSec 2 notices first? All else being equal, suddenly GenSec 1 is free of any conflicts? Does that mean this is all based on animosity towards GenSec, versus a rational and logical theory of conflicts of interests?
What kind of incentives does this create? Why should GenSec members *ever* pay attention to the queue, if they're going to be forced to recuse themselves if they're the first to say something? Is this a perverse incentive that will harm the community, but you're demanding it because it *sounds* right?
Perhaps the following hypothetical conversation would work better:
GenSec 1: "Hey guys, we should review this. This clause might violate this rule. I'll start a legality challenge thread so that everyone can discuss this and we can hold off on making a prejudiced decision before we've seen the arguments and discussed it with the author, other players and amongst ourselves."
Araraukar wrote:IA, Gruen, Banana & co., who are so quick to go with "Omg! Conspiracy! Power grab!" - if you were on the council, is that what you would be doing? If so, shame on you. If not, why assume that some of the most level-headed players that this forum has seen in the last few years suddenly become evil overlord wannabes, or that the mods, admins and Max would let that happen?
I mean, seriously, why did this forum suddenly become the Paranoia Paradise for Parasitical Parodies or whatever it should now be called?
Grow up, people, and try out some empathy. Our species (yes, the OOC one we all belong to) got to where it now is because of our capability of putting ourselves in the other person's position and trying to see their point of view. It's really embarrassing to watch this farce unfold.
EDIT: Someone please let me know when some sense has returned to any council-related discussion, I'll try to stick to proposal threads and the Strangers' Bar.
Or perhaps you could put yourself in my shoes just for a minute.
I am being asked to argue the case for a proposal where at least two councillors have already decided that it is illegal. Do you not see any issue with this at all?
The other objections which I had related to how and when the council advise an author of a council initiated review. The council themselves have stated that this is something they need to sort out! That they haven't formalised this procedure just yet does not mean that I think that they have suddenly become evil overlords!