Black Mississippi Church Torched

[Crockerland]

Hillary advocates a no-fly zone over Syria, and has advocated it since she was secretary of state.

"for us to control all the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia." ~Four-star marine general Joseph Francis Dunford.

So yes, the logical conclusion of these two facts is that Hillary Clinton wants to go to war with Russia.

We've had no fly zones before and war still didn't happen.

Plus, thats only one dude.

That "one dude" is the chariman of the joint chiefs of staff, and one of only 6 four-star generals in the US marine corps.

Also, Youtube is not a good source.

Well, that's very clearly a video of Dunford telling Senate Armed Services Committee that a no fly zone over all of Syria would lead to war with Russia, with no ambiguity whatsoever; You're either implying the video is fake (which you haven't proven) or making a nonsense claim that a video somehow loses authenticity because it's been posted to youtube.

[G-Tech Corporation]

True enough. But, if I am a rational Clinton supporter trying to work on flagging Democratic engagement with her cause, especially in the African-American community, cynically speaking how can I whip up sentiments whilst associating Clinton with civil rights leaders and tarring Trump's backers as crazies? Burning a black church sounds pretty good.

Clinton's support with the African-American community is flagging? Not from what I've heard. The numbers have been steady basically since the convention.

Of course, we can dismiss anything that is a mistake politically as "people are stupid". But relying on the world to be stupid/irrational isn't exactly the wisest policy.

Au contraire. War, as the saying goes, is just a series of mistakes, and the loser is just the one who messed up last. Believe that people are short-sighted and emotionally driven, and the world will make much more sense.

IIRC early voting figures for African-American turnout have been pretty lackluster. Galvanizing that section of the base is a worthwhile goal in light of that.

And I agree with that statement in principle, when applied to large numbers of people, but it doesn't really hold true on an individual level. The old adage about assuming incompetence over enemy action paving the road to hell is certainly relevant in such a cut-threat arena as this election.

[Conserative Morality]

And I agree with that statement in principle, when applied to large numbers of people, but it doesn't really hold true on an individual level. The old adage about assuming incompetence over enemy action paving the road to hell is certainly relevant in such a cut-threat arena as this election.

It especially applies to individuals. Most people are short-sighted and selfish. I mean... large numbers of people are made of individuals.

[Karsopolis]

Wow, this nation is going downhill. So tired of hearing about this kind of conflict. Not only are people polarised enough that they are willing to engage in violent acts against one another, they are willing to destroy historical buildings.

With any luck, these vandals will be caught swiftly and made examples of. Really, people need to calm down. Disliking a candidate is no reason to do stuff like burning a House of God. Whoever the perpetrators are, I suspect they are belligerent, lawless jackasses with no respect for any kind of authority, political or otherwise. The Constitution says that Congress must ENSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY. This never should have been allowed to happen.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

We've had no fly zones before and war still didn't happen.

Plus, thats only one dude.

That "one dude" is the chariman of the joint chiefs of staff, and one of only 6 four-star generals in the US marine corps.

Also, Youtube is not a good source.

Well, that's very clearly a video of Dunford telling Senate Armed Services Committee that a no fly zone over all of Syria would lead to war with Russia, with no ambiguity whatsoever; You're either implying the video is fake (which you haven't proven) or making a nonsense claim that a video somehow loses authenticity because it's been posted to youtube.

Still one guy. Also, it's an Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

I can't go on youtube, bad for bandwidth. But Youtube is a bad source because anyone can post anything.

Why couldn't we talk with Russia to set up a no fly zone peacefully?


Anyway, Mod said:

Unless and until it is determined that this had anything to do with the candidates' positions on foreign policy, Syria is not the issue.

So, can we stop talking about Syria?

[The Lone Alliance]

Hmm, this whole thing smells, Trump supporters would be more likely to burn a government building down than a random black Church.

I see two possibilities.
An insane attempt at a false flag attack by someone who most likely not right in the head.
Or an insane white supremacist who believe Trump betrayed them.

Oh well whoever did this is a domestic terrorist and should be treated as such.

Just a sidenote, how the hell does Putin and Russia have anything to do with something going on in Mississipi?

Because according to the Clinton Campaign she's actually Running against Putin who has Trump under his control.

And since Trump is under his control by proxy if this attack was done by Trump supporters than Putin helped cause this attack.

[Kellsun]

Though it would take a particularly stupid person to believe that torching a black church is an effective way of garnering support for your candidate, I don't really care who did it. It could indeed be a dumbass genuinely supporting Trump, or it could be a dumbass supporting Hillary - or simply a dumbass against Trump - attempting to frame his voter base. I certainly wouldn't put vandalism past his opponents.
Regardless, this is disgusting and I hope whoever is responsible is brought to justice.

[Minzerland II]

Your second source lists several instances where Trump supporters yelled mean things at women and fraudulently labelled it "violence", and also included a likely random act of violence by a blonde woman against a muslim woman, the only evidence in favor of it being about Trump being a claim by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a terrorist organization.

Definition of violence: behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Shouting requires vocal cords and moving the air in frequencies is physical.

But this is going off the rails, lets just wait for the police report.

This is just grasping at straws, tbh.

[G-Tech Corporation]

And I agree with that statement in principle, when applied to large numbers of people, but it doesn't really hold true on an individual level. The old adage about assuming incompetence over enemy action paving the road to hell is certainly relevant in such a cut-threat arena as this election.

It especially applies to individuals. Most people are short-sighted and selfish. I mean... large numbers of people are made of individuals.

Hmm, okay, that I don't quite agree with. It's fairer to say that -on average-, people are of average intelligence and self-concern. That's the definition, after all. Equally, large numbers of people are made of individuals, which means they operate collectively as if they are of average intelligence, etc.

But the individual naturally has variance, meaning one person acting along may or may not be more or less rational than the short-sighted and selfish individual. So sure, maybe it was an extra stupid Trump supporter shooting him or herself in the foot. Equally, though, maybe it was an extra clever Clinton supporter being shady.

After all, where else could you burn down that would be less impactful on political action by your group, but most likely to stir up the base? A nursery?

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

That "one dude" is the chariman of the joint chiefs of staff, and one of only 6 four-star generals in the US marine corps.


Well, that's very clearly a video of Dunford telling Senate Armed Services Committee that a no fly zone over all of Syria would lead to war with Russia, with no ambiguity whatsoever; You're either implying the video is fake (which you haven't proven) or making a nonsense claim that a video somehow loses authenticity because it's been posted to youtube.

Still one guy. Also, it's an Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

I can't go on youtube, bad for bandwidth. But Youtube is a bad source because anyone can post anything.

Why couldn't we talk with Russia to set up a no fly zone peacefully?


Anyway, Mod said:

Unless and until it is determined that this had anything to do with the candidates' positions on foreign policy, Syria is not the issue.

So, can we stop talking about Syria?

So youre saying you know more about it than a 4 start General in the United States Armed forces ?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Have I ever stated how much this election cycle is fucking horrible?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Still one guy. Also, it's an Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

I can't go on youtube, bad for bandwidth. But Youtube is a bad source because anyone can post anything.

Why couldn't we talk with Russia to set up a no fly zone peacefully?


Anyway, Mod said:



So, can we stop talking about Syria?

So youre saying you know more about it than a 4 start General in the United States Armed forces ?

Didn't say that.

Did say however that it was only one guy, and that what was saying was an Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

Did the other 5 4-star generals agree with him?

And again, thread jacking.

[Kubra]

Still one guy. Also, it's an Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

I can't go on youtube, bad for bandwidth. But Youtube is a bad source because anyone can post anything.

Why couldn't we talk with Russia to set up a no fly zone peacefully?


Anyway, Mod said:



So, can we stop talking about Syria?

So youre saying you know more about it than a 4 start General in the United States Armed forces ?

"So you're saying you know more than Quinctilius Varus, governer of Germania, on how to maneuver ones legions?"

[Empire of Narnia]

How could anyone think that burning a building and writing "vote Trump" would help Trump? That's what I would do if I wanted to hurt a candidate's chance at winning.

[Conserative Morality]

Hmm, okay, that I don't quite agree with. It's fairer to say that -on average-, people are of average intelligence and self-concern.

Er... literally by definition, yes. That doesn't say anything.

That's the definition, after all. Equally, large numbers of people are made of individuals, which means they operate collectively as if they are of average intelligence, etc.

But the individual naturally has variance, meaning one person acting along may or may not be more or less rational than the short-sighted and selfish individual. So sure, maybe it was an extra stupid Trump supporter shooting him or herself in the foot. Equally, though, maybe it was an extra clever Clinton supporter being shady.

Only if you assume that the proportion of clever and foolish politically involved individuals is equal.

After all, where else could you burn down that would be less impactful on political action by your group, but most likely to stir up the base? A nursery?

A mosque.

[Jamzmania]

Honestly would not be surprised if it were Democrats who done it and then wrote "vote trump" to blame Republicans. They've always been the more violent and subversive side.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

How could anyone think that burning a building and writing "vote Trump" would help Trump? That's what I would do if I wanted to hurt a candidate's chance at winning.

Wait till the police report shows up.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That "one dude" is the chariman of the joint chiefs of staff, and one of only 6 four-star generals in the US marine corps.


Well, that's very clearly a video of Dunford telling Senate Armed Services Committee that a no fly zone over all of Syria would lead to war with Russia, with no ambiguity whatsoever; You're either implying the video is fake (which you haven't proven) or making a nonsense claim that a video somehow loses authenticity because it's been posted to youtube.

Still one guy. Also, it's an Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

I can't go on youtube, bad for bandwidth. But Youtube is a bad source because anyone can post anything.

Why couldn't we talk with Russia to set up a no fly zone peacefully?


Anyway, Mod said:

Unless and until it is determined that this had anything to do with the candidates' positions on foreign policy, Syria is not the issue.

So, can we stop talking about Syria?

When a moderator says "Get back on topic", that does not mean "Use the post telling you to get back on topic as an attempt to get in the last word in a debate".

Unofficial Warning For Continued Threadjacking.

Still one guy. Also, it's an Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

I can't go on youtube, bad for bandwidth. But Youtube is a bad source because anyone can post anything.

Why couldn't we talk with Russia to set up a no fly zone peacefully?


Anyway, Mod said:



So, can we stop talking about Syria?

So youre saying you know more about it than a 4 start General in the United States Armed forces ?

Unofficial Warning For Continued Threadjacking.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Honestly would not be surprised if it were Democrats who done it and then wrote "vote trump" to blame Republicans. They've always been the more violent and subversive side.

And maybe the it was Republicans who firebombed the NC GOP building to make democrats look bad. Conspiracies aside, this cycle is just toxic

[Jamzmania]

Honestly would not be surprised if it were Democrats who done it and then wrote "vote trump" to blame Republicans. They've always been the more violent and subversive side.

And maybe the it was Republicans who firebombed the NC GOP building to make democrats look bad. Conspiracies aside, this cycle is just toxic

Maybe if they had spraypainted "I'm with her" on the side of the building.

[Cape Hateras]

Honestly would not be surprised if it were Democrats who done it and then wrote "vote trump" to blame Republicans. They've always been the more violent and subversive side.

It is a well-known phenomenon. *nods in agreement*

[Internationalist Bastard]

And maybe the it was Republicans who firebombed the NC GOP building to make democrats look bad. Conspiracies aside, this cycle is just toxic

Maybe if they had spraypainted "I'm with her" on the side of the building.

Look, all I'm saying is don't jump to conclusions. It could well be Trump supporters retaliating against democrat attacks.
That said, seriously, why is it so violent this year? I'm honestly prepared for a civil war

[Hurdergaryp]

Maybe if they had spraypainted "I'm with her" on the side of the building.

Look, all I'm saying is don't jump to conclusions. It could well be Trump supporters retaliating against democrat attacks.
That said, seriously, why is it so violent this year? I'm honestly prepared for a civil war

Now that is not very likely, but it is also not entirely unlikely.

[Cape Hateras]

Maybe if they had spraypainted "I'm with her" on the side of the building.

Look, all I'm saying is don't jump to conclusions. It could well be Trump supporters retaliating against democrat attacks.
That said, seriously, why is it so violent this year? I'm honestly prepared for a civil war

That'd be delicious irony. A proxy was not waged by America but in America.

[Jamzmania]

Maybe if they had spraypainted "I'm with her" on the side of the building.

Look, all I'm saying is don't jump to conclusions. It could well be Trump supporters retaliating against democrat attacks.
That said, seriously, why is it so violent this year? I'm honestly prepared for a civil war

I would totally be up for a civil war.