by Flanderlion » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:42 pm
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by Wordy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:43 am
RiderSyl wrote:
The ends justifies the meanies.
by Excidium Planetis » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:26 am
Flanderlion wrote:Give SG the ability to reorder proposals in the queue, so authors don't have to withdraw their proposals...
Give the SG the ability to approve proposals and move them directly to vote.
Give the SG a stamp of approval to put on proposals and resolutions (purely cosmetic, so not this option by itself)
Give the SG a certain amount of votes equal to X percentage (small) of total WA nations, like delegate votes.
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by The Blaatschapen » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:54 am
by Enfaru » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:52 am
by Gruenberg » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:09 am
Enfaru wrote:I'm more of a mind that they should get no extra votes as a Secretary General, but possibly the deciding vote if such a thing ever happened.
Enfaru wrote:I do think they should be able to "return" a proposal for re-drafting if the author of the draft requests it (unless a Mod gets to it first).
by Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:20 am
by Enfaru » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:36 am
Gruenberg wrote:Enfaru wrote:I'm more of a mind that they should get no extra votes as a Secretary General, but possibly the deciding vote if such a thing ever happened.
There has never been a tied vote in 13 years and what must now be over a thousand proposal votes.Enfaru wrote:I do think they should be able to "return" a proposal for re-drafting if the author of the draft requests it (unless a Mod gets to it first).
A user can already redraft their proposal, and send in a GHR requesting it be removed.
by Gruenberg » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:45 am
Enfaru wrote:Oh I'm not arguing that it would be often used, I'm just saying that's usually the duty given to such individuals.
Enfaru wrote:I did say that "unless a mod gets to it first". Everyone seems to think that the Secretary General should be all powerful. I happen to disagree, but I also disagree they should be powerless/useless.
by Enfaru » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:26 am
by World Dissembly » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:37 am
by Gruenberg » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:29 am
Enfaru wrote:Recoding? It's basically adding one line of code before the result is published.
while (Vote_yes == Vote_no) { bool sg_vote = get_WA_SecGen_Vote(); if( sg_vote == 1) { Vote_yes++; } else { Vote_no++; } } //Assuming C.
Enfaru wrote:The reason I don't think they should be is because the WA was initially modelled on the UN.
Enfaru wrote:such things typically have a Chair who get to maintain some kind of order.
Enfaru wrote:It further more adds a dynamic to the WA that hasn't been seen.
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by Flanderlion » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:57 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:Flanderlion wrote:Give SG the ability to reorder proposals in the queue, so authors don't have to withdraw their proposals...
Like the ability to remove proposals from queue? HELL. NO. Only mods are allowed to remove my proposals, and only for rules violations. Ain't no elected nobody removing my proposals.Give the SG the ability to approve proposals and move them directly to vote.
This would be barely bearable. Sure, if decent proposals get fast tracked without campaigns, that would be nice. But what if we get flooded with garbage? That would suck.Give the SG a stamp of approval to put on proposals and resolutions (purely cosmetic, so not this option by itself)
Harmless enough. Please, this option by itself.Give the SG a certain amount of votes equal to X percentage (small) of total WA nations, like delegate votes.
And what if the SG is also a Delegate? What then? Do we dump even more votes on them, or does one override the other? Just imagine if they got 1% of all WA members' votes. Then if the North Pacific's delegate got the SG position and the votes were added, they would have, at the time of this post 1221+263 votes, or 1484 votes, for a potential vote shift of 2968 votes if they change their vote. That's more than enough to decide many resolutions passing or failing, single handedly. Nobody should have that kind of power.
by Mousebumples » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:23 am
Flanderlion wrote:Personally, I'd prefer the Approval Stamp and the proposal re-ordering. The re-ordering is actual unique power, the stamp is for the average WA nation to see that the office means something, and the prestige is in the name. But that said, if this happens at all, it'll be others more WA involved who sway the admins for or against.
by Unified district of Lancaster » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:38 am
by Drasnia » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:09 am
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by The Blaatschapen » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:24 am
Drasnia wrote:If we're going to give the SG any power (which I am against, btw), I would prefer if we voted in a new one when we now know what they're able to do before those powers go into effect.
by Gruenberg » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:36 am
Topid wrote:Mouse provided some examples of how this could have helped in the past from a GA history prospective
Topid wrote:but the SC has submission races far more often than the GA.
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