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[DEFEATED] Liberate Social Liberal Union (by Filthy Casualz)

Postby Wrapper » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:27 am

Description: THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

Recognizing Social Liberal Union as a flourishing region of nearly six years, home to over one hundred native nations,

Appalled that The Invader Network of The Invaders, The Communist Bloc, The Kingdom of Great Britain, and USSD, along with their friends from The West Pacific and Exodus, has broken the peace by executing a massive invasion on this well-meaning community,

Impressed, despite the dire situation in Social Liberal Union, that Marshal T E Lawrence of The Invaders, in cohorts with other elite raiders, was able to conduct this seemingly-impossible invasion,

Determined to end The Invaders’ reign of terror on Social Liberal Union, which includes the banishings of many natives of the community,

Establishing that the possibility of the institution of strict border control policies is high, given the fact that Operation Golden Gate was a stealth operation stemming back months ago,

Realizing that without outside intervention that this invasion will see the end to the thriving community life of SLU; the Security Council hereby liberates Social Liberal Union.

This is at vote.
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Postby Wrapper » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:30 am

FWIW I voted against, solely because of the IMPRESSED clause, because, well, I'm not impressed. :p

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Postby Navaronia » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:30 am

Sad to see the other one didn't go faster. It just seems this one is too... suspicious.

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Postby Mount Seymour » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:33 am

Something's just wrong with this. Especially seeing as SLU's invader delegate just voted FOR it. Hmmmmm....
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:34 am

Voted against, and I'm trying to get Euro to stack against it. Mouse already did to make it close.
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Postby New Zacharianasville » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:38 am

I Voted for. Frankly I dont care how the bill was written, but as soon as I saw the word liberation, I checked out the region that was invaded, and saw some terrible stuff occuring, hence I made my decision. Although I do find it odd that the delegate for the invaders voted for it, fishy stuff...
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:42 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:Voted against, and I'm trying to get Euro to stack against it. Mouse already did to make it close.

Keep in mind that the vote of Mousebumples is equal to that of 439 members, because there are 439 people endorsing that nation. It is thanks to the vote of Mousebumples against this resolution alone that the AGAINST vote is not at 10.1%, or (even worse) at 6.2%! (this post was written when the vote was 620 votes for to 509 votes against - figures will have changed by now)

Tinhampton has voted AGAINST this resolution.
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Postby Social Mysterion » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:47 am

New Zacharianasville wrote:I Voted for. Frankly I dont care how the bill was written, but as soon as I saw the word liberation, I checked out the region that was invaded, and saw some terrible stuff occuring, hence I made my decision. Although I do find it odd that the delegate for the invaders voted for it, fishy stuff...

You must've only checked out the bill and region on the surface. I'm currently working in SLU, and yes, terrible stuff is occuring, but not stuff a liberation could fix. Besides, we have a much better bill right behind this one, without the fishy stuff. I'm voting against.

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Postby Eggy216 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:49 am

New Zacharianasville wrote:I Voted for. Frankly I dont care how the bill was written, but as soon as I saw the word liberation, I checked out the region that was invaded, and saw some terrible stuff occuring, hence I made my decision. Although I do find it odd that the delegate for the invaders voted for it, fishy stuff...


As a long time member of the Social Liberal Union, I would implore you to change your vote to against. Frankly the bill as it is constructed right now serves to pump the tires of the invaders more than it serves to do anything to help the SLU. At the same time, without any password instituted on the region by the invaders it doesn't do anything to hurt the invasion strategy, and actually makes it harder for us to wrest control back if we have a liberation in the World Assembly preventing us from temporarily locking the region once we get control back in order to expel all of the invaders.

Please, if you seek stand with the SLU, vote against the resolution currently at vote.
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Vote AGAINST the liberation of the Social Liberal Union.

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Postby New Zacharianasville » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:51 am

Social Mysterion wrote:
New Zacharianasville wrote:I Voted for. Frankly I dont care how the bill was written, but as soon as I saw the word liberation, I checked out the region that was invaded, and saw some terrible stuff occuring, hence I made my decision. Although I do find it odd that the delegate for the invaders voted for it, fishy stuff...

You must've only checked out the bill and region on the surface. I'm currently working in SLU, and yes, terrible stuff is occuring, but not stuff a liberation could fix. Besides, we have a much better bill right behind this one, without the fishy stuff. I'm voting against.


Yeah I saw another liberation bill for your region in the proposal section gaining some traction, but I thought it was just spam since there is already a similar one at vote. None the less, the good people of Texas stand with you in your troubled times.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:03 am

Huge news: The Lemur Isles, who had previously given their 70 delegate votes to support the liberation, have now withdrawn their vote.
Even huger news (EDIT): Vancouvia has now given their 117 delegate votes to the FOR side.
News related to the first bit of huge news (EDIT 2): The Lemur Isles have now switched their vote to the AGAINST site.
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Postby New Zacharianasville » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:06 am

Vancouvia made up for it.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:07 am

Have any natives said they supported this yet?
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Postby New Zacharianasville » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:10 am

Looks like lemur island has voted against the bill
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:11 am

This is a pretty obvious publicity stunt by The Invaders. It's not a new ploy from them, with some of the same people who lead this org having been the ones who spelled "DEN" down previous proposals. They're likely assuming the region will be liberated anyways, and as such, attempting to beat a native-backed effort to the punch in a manner that offers them far more publicity (between the branding and linking all their regions). Now, if there weren't another option, perhaps you should vote for it anyways, but there is - there's another, honestly intentioned proposal right behind this in queue, one that's written by a friend of SLU and not both written and advertised for by a pair of newly created nations who didn't even bother to make this thread on their own.

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:14 am

Oh yeah, in case anyone is too lazy to check the thread for the proposal that was being drafted, the first letter of each clause in this one spells the word "RAIDER". So yeah, I have no doubts in my mind that a member of TIN wrote this.
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Postby Eggy216 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:16 am

We Are Not the NSA wrote:Have any natives said they supported this yet?


Anyone I've talked to who is part of the SLU with me has said they are opposed.
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Vote AGAINST the liberation of the Social Liberal Union.

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Postby Avaerilon » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:16 am

As one of the longest-standing members of the SLU, and a previous delegate, I can safely say that this proposal does not reflect the will or interest of the legitimate member states of the region. It's an attempt to add silver to the trophy cabinet and make matters more complicated, as opposed to the other proposal. I've voted against it, and I would encourage anyone else with the interests of the native member states of the SLU in their minds to do the same.
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Postby Felscombe » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:17 am

I don't get why anyone would not vote for this. For the love of every hypothetical being ever worshipped, this region needs to be allowed to decide for itself.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:18 am

Felscombe wrote:I don't get why anyone would not vote for this. For the love of every hypothetical being ever worshipped, this region needs to be allowed to decide for itself.
Avaerilon wrote:As one of the longest-standing members of the SLU, and a previous delegate, I can safely say that this proposal does not reflect the will or interest of the legitimate member states of the region. It's an attempt to add silver to the trophy cabinet and make matters more complicated, as opposed to the other proposal. I've voted against it, and I would encourage anyone else with the interests of the native member states of the SLU in their minds to do the same.



The region has decided. This is not the proposal they want.
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The color or what?..

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Postby Eggy216 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:18 am

Felscombe wrote:I don't get why anyone would not vote for this. For the love of every hypothetical being ever worshipped, this region needs to be allowed to decide for itself.


It's written by a raider and supported by the raider delegate. We don't want to support the group that tried to (and succeeded in their effort to) raid us. There's another resolution written by someone who actually stands by our interests. This resolution does not do that.
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Vote AGAINST the liberation of the Social Liberal Union.

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Postby Arachaea » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:19 am

As a native-in-refuge, I just saw 'liberate' and voted for, but comments about mysterious business are making me feel like I should vote against. Should I change my vote to against?
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Postby Grolsch » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:22 am

As a someone who's been a member of the SLU for five years and who has been involved in nearly every position in the region at some point, I oppose this Resolution, for reasons already stated by other natives. Please support the other SC proposal if you'd like to help us, which would be much appreciated.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:22 am

Arachaea wrote:As a native-in-refuge, I just saw 'liberate' and voted for, but comments about mysterious business are making me feel like I should vote against. Should I change my vote to against?
Avaerilon wrote:As one of the longest-standing members of the SLU, and a previous delegate, *snip* I've voted against it, and I would encourage anyone else with the interests of the native member states of the SLU in their minds to do the same.
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http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby Grolsch » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:22 am

Arachaea wrote:As a native-in-refuge, I just saw 'liberate' and voted for, but comments about mysterious business are making me feel like I should vote against. Should I change my vote to against?

Yes, please do.
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