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Postby Even Less of Mackonia » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:26 am

Risottia wrote:
Even Less of Mackonia wrote:I nominate Donald John Trump for his intelligence, compassion and human decency of conduct and for championing U.S-Russian reconciliation.

Too little and too generic for a nomination. What did he accomplish so far exactly?


Donald John Trump has, in offering the blue hand of peace to President Vladimir Putin, made the first bold step in ending one of the 21st century's most dangerous geopolitical confrontations - that between the Russian Federation and the United States playing out in Eurasia. This confrontation has directly or indirectly caused serious hurt and harm in places like the Crimea and the Ukraine and instability across Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. Donald Trump has also shown an interest in resolving for good the European Migrant crisis and diffusing tensions in East Asia.

In the words of kind teacher Mahatma Kumbaya Mandela, "the path to peace begins with a single step", in showing this initiative, Donald Trump is undertaking an act of tremendous bravery in the face of a bigoted, xenophobic ultra-conservative media establishment in his home country, an act which will clearly be politically expedient for him but which he nonetheless had the selfless humanity to undertake. It is clear peace is an issue very dear to Donald J. Trump's heart. How can we expect a happy future if we shun its coming into being? Donald Trump's brave, progressive agenda for a new world dialogue centred around non-exploitative,non-hirearchial, non-coercive rhizomatic hermeneutics between transvölkisch communities is a cry for peace and freedom in a world of the corrupt and greedy.
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Postby Victoriala II » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:28 am

Zudril wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:Unlikely someone else will support Putin, so I support the nomination of Duterte.

The dude has literally started mass murders. He has done the exact opposite of peace.

Wait you mean this isn't the based strongman madman award

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:29 am

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Great Kauthar wrote:Unlikely someone else will support Putin, so I support the nomination of Duterte.

The dude has literally started mass murders. He has done the exact opposite of peace.

Violence can create peace.
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Postby Minoa » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:51 am

Committee member disclosure: I am a member of Reporters Sans Frontières.

If I can nominate as a committee member, I nominate Amnesty International for their long-established and continuous work to defend human rights. Amnesty International, based a short walk from the Sadler’s Wells Theatre, has been for many years, one of the main go-to organisations for defending human rights internationally. While Reporters Sans Frontières is the authority for press freedom, covering 180 countries in this year’s Press Freedom Index, Amnesty International is the de facto leader in the human rights movement globally.

All past winners are, for reference, at https://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_G ... eace_Prize.
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Postby Great Kauthar » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:38 am

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:Unlikely someone else will support Putin, so I support the nomination of Duterte.

What has he done to deserve an NS peace prize?

Bringing peace to the Philippines

Zudril wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:Unlikely someone else will support Putin, so I support the nomination of Duterte.

The dude has literally started mass murders. He has done the exact opposite of peace.

Peace through war.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:42 am

Great Kauthar wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:What has he done to deserve an NS peace prize?

Bringing peace to the Philippines

Zudril wrote:The dude has literally started mass murders. He has done the exact opposite of peace.

Peace through war.

"Peace through war" has never worked.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:44 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
That they're actually doing it in a war torn part of the Middle East. As for a specific organization, how about the armed forces branch of the Kurds that defended Kobane?


If we are giving soldiers a peace prize does that not seem rather odd? A military organisation receiving a peace prize? I understand that force was the only way to deter the barbaric ISIS and protect the people of Kobane but to give a peace prize to a military organisation is counter-intuitive. Especially considering that we our current understanding of a "peace prize" from Nobel's own work. Unless this Kurdish paramilitary has done something else to promote human rights other than using force, this nomination is frankly in my opinion silly.

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."


The definitely reduced ISIS hordes that were attacking Kobane. Sounds like a reduction of a standing army to me.
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Postby Minoa » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:23 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:
If we are giving soldiers a peace prize does that not seem rather odd? A military organisation receiving a peace prize? I understand that force was the only way to deter the barbaric ISIS and protect the people of Kobane but to give a peace prize to a military organisation is counter-intuitive. Especially considering that we our current understanding of a "peace prize" from Nobel's own work. Unless this Kurdish paramilitary has done something else to promote human rights other than using force, this nomination is frankly in my opinion silly.



The definitely reduced ISIS hordes that were attacking Kobane. Sounds like a reduction of a standing army to me.

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Although Risottia has the final say here, I will personally not consider any kind of military action for a peace prize: Military actions, whether attack or defence, goes against the fundamental ethos of the prize due to Nobel’s will – not to mention that it will put the credibility of the prize in danger. When Kim Jong il won the prize in 2010, one of the nomination reasons was "for not nuking South Korea".

I also intend to ignore any "dicks out" nominations, per the advice of Farnhamia. There is going to be a lot more scrutiny to the background of the nominees, especially due to emotions running wild in the US presidential election.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:44 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:Bringing peace to the Philippines


Peace through war.

"Peace through war" has never worked.

Tell that to Truman's nuclear weapons.
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Postby Cerillium » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:25 pm

Eol Sha wrote:Didn't Doctors without Borders win last year? Pretty sure that makes them ineligible for the prize this year.

Nathi's nominating the underground medical personnel (doctors, nurses, and others) in Aleppo and other places. Their houses no longer stand. Their families fled long ago. Yet they remain. "Just let me save one more person before I go."

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) is a supporting group. They provide medicines, training, gasoline for ambulances, and at times provide a MSF physician to coordinate on scene. However, most of the Aleppo medical volunteers are not part of MSF itself.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:50 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:
If we are giving soldiers a peace prize does that not seem rather odd? A military organisation receiving a peace prize? I understand that force was the only way to deter the barbaric ISIS and protect the people of Kobane but to give a peace prize to a military organisation is counter-intuitive. Especially considering that we our current understanding of a "peace prize" from Nobel's own work. Unless this Kurdish paramilitary has done something else to promote human rights other than using force, this nomination is frankly in my opinion silly.



The definitely reduced ISIS hordes that were attacking Kobane. Sounds like a reduction of a standing army to me.


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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:07 pm

Cerillium wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Didn't Doctors without Borders win last year? Pretty sure that makes them ineligible for the prize this year.

Nathi's nominating the underground medical personnel (doctors, nurses, and others) in Aleppo and other places. Their houses no longer stand. Their families fled long ago. Yet they remain. "Just let me save one more person before I go."

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) is a supporting group. They provide medicines, training, gasoline for ambulances, and at times provide a MSF physician to coordinate on scene. However, most of the Aleppo medical volunteers are not part of MSF itself.

I realized after Neutraligion corrected me.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I would like to nominate Project Semicolon.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:28 pm

Sorry, though I could file the nomination list in the OP by this evening, but I have a couple free hours tomorrow morning between a maths class and a computer class, should be able to fix everything.
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Postby Victoriala II » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:17 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:Bringing peace to the Philippines


Peace through war.

"Peace through war" has never worked.

In this case it never does.

These guys need to stop worshipping every politician who just happens to anger the mainstream liberals.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:23 pm

Minoa wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
The definitely reduced ISIS hordes that were attacking Kobane. Sounds like a reduction of a standing army to me.

* Committee hat on *

Although Risottia has the final say here, I will personally not consider any kind of military action for a peace prize: Military actions, whether attack or defence, goes against the fundamental ethos of the prize due to Nobel’s will – not to mention that it will put the credibility of the prize in danger. When Kim Jong il won the prize in 2010, one of the nomination reasons was "for not nuking South Korea".

I also intend to ignore any "dicks out" nominations, per the advice of Farnhamia. There is going to be a lot more scrutiny to the background of the nominees, especially due to emotions running wild in the US presidential election.


Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, despite two ongoing wars. The point of the Nobel Peace Prize is to work towards peace. One way to do so, is by establishing credible, secular governments in war torn areas. And sometimes you have to fight for it. But there is a difference between starting a war and fighting to end a war. The European Union won a Nobel Peace Prize, despite having countries that were being at war. The difference seems to be one of semantics.

If someone negotiated peace during the Siege of Kobane, without firing a shot, we'd all be hailing said person. But when a group of people does the exact same thing, by shooting back at those who are trying to rape and massacre them, suddenly that's unworthy? Why? It's just as effective.

Let's take a look at the winners: Kim Jong Il, the Arab Spring, (which, btw, was a thing that led to a bunch of Civil Wars,) Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Malala Yousafzai, Pro-Democracy Campaigners of Hong Kong, and Médecins Sans Frontières. If you're going to have the Arab Spring win it, shouldn't those who stop wars have a chance?


The Conez Imperium wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
The definitely reduced ISIS hordes that were attacking Kobane. Sounds like a reduction of a standing army to me.


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By stating the truth? Are you actually being serious? Or are you pro-ISIS?
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Postby Zudril » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:23 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, despite two ongoing wars.

Obama himself has basically admitted that was a sham. He got it because he wasn't Bush.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:08 pm

Shofercia wrote:]

Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, despite two ongoing wars. The point of the Nobel Peace Prize is to work towards peace. One way to do so, is by establishing credible, secular governments in war torn areas. And sometimes you have to fight for it. But there is a difference between starting a war and fighting to end a war. The European Union won a Nobel Peace Prize, despite having countries that were being at war. The difference seems to be one of semantics.

If someone negotiated peace during the Siege of Kobane, without firing a shot, we'd all be hailing said person. But when a group of people does the exact same thing, by shooting back at those who are trying to rape and massacre them, suddenly that's unworthy? Why? It's just as effective.

Let's take a look at the winners: Kim Jong Il, the Arab Spring, (which, btw, was a thing that led to a bunch of Civil Wars,) Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Malala Yousafzai, Pro-Democracy Campaigners of Hong Kong, and Médecins Sans Frontières. If you're going to have the Arab Spring win it, shouldn't those who stop wars have a chance?


Kim Jong-il winning was a joke. NSG did a bad job there.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:36 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Shofercia wrote:]

Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, despite two ongoing wars. The point of the Nobel Peace Prize is to work towards peace. One way to do so, is by establishing credible, secular governments in war torn areas. And sometimes you have to fight for it. But there is a difference between starting a war and fighting to end a war. The European Union won a Nobel Peace Prize, despite having countries that were being at war. The difference seems to be one of semantics.

If someone negotiated peace during the Siege of Kobane, without firing a shot, we'd all be hailing said person. But when a group of people does the exact same thing, by shooting back at those who are trying to rape and massacre them, suddenly that's unworthy? Why? It's just as effective.

Let's take a look at the winners: Kim Jong Il, the Arab Spring, (which, btw, was a thing that led to a bunch of Civil Wars,) Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Malala Yousafzai, Pro-Democracy Campaigners of Hong Kong, and Médecins Sans Frontières. If you're going to have the Arab Spring win it, shouldn't those who stop wars have a chance?


Kim Jong-il winning was a joke. NSG did a bad job there.



To be fair, it was the first year, and not that many people thought that this would be a serious occasion.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:57 pm

After serious thought I would like to nominate the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople Bartholomew I for his efforts towards increased minority rights in Turkey, the improvement of relations with the Catholics, and unity of the Orthodoxy. Most notably his role in organizing the Pan-Orthodox Council, the first gathering of Orthodox Autocephalous Churches in centuries which convened this year, was a pretty positive thing I'd say. It was a shame that it received so much politically motivated resistance.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:29 pm

Risottia wrote:
Shamhnan Insir wrote:However I would like to ask if it would be possible to nominate CITES for their work in protecting non-human animals? Recently they upheld a ban on ivory exporting in Africa, improved security and protective status of all pangolin species and also gave protection to Europes only non-human primate living in the wild, the Barbary Macaque.
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I'm afraid this goes beyond the purpose of the Prize. Unless you can show a direct causal link between non-human welfare and human rights or peace.
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Postby FreYhill » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:37 pm

I'd like to nominate Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop for her excellent handling numerous diplomatic events, such as the downing of MH17.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:39 pm

Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, despite two ongoing wars.

Obama himself has basically admitted that was a sham. He got it because he wasn't Bush.


Geilinor wrote:Kim Jong-il winning was a joke. NSG did a bad job there.


I don't disagree, but if they could be nominated, should we really deny the Kurds of Kobane a nomination? If NSGers think that they're unworthy, NSGers don't have to vote for them. As I mentioned earlier:

Shofercia wrote:If someone negotiated peace during the Siege of Kobane, without firing a shot, we'd all be hailing said person. But when a group of people does the exact same thing, by shooting back at those who are trying to rape and massacre them, suddenly that's unworthy? Why? It's just as effective.
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Postby Minoa » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:17 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Kim Jong-il winning was a joke. NSG did a bad job there.



To be fair, it was the first year, and not that many people thought that this would be a serious occasion.

Not forgetting to mention that there is a lot of emotions and tensions running extremely high in light of the Brexit, the deadlock in Syria and the presidential election.

Not forgetting also to mention the dramatic growth forum activity, now with more than 25 million posts. The forum is clearly much larger than the game itself! :p
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:10 pm

Minoa wrote:Committee member disclosure: I am a member of Reporters Sans Frontières.

If I can nominate as a committee member, I nominate Amnesty International for their long-established and continuous work to defend human rights. Amnesty International, based a short walk from the Sadler’s Wells Theatre, has been for many years, one of the main go-to organisations for defending human rights internationally. While Reporters Sans Frontières is the authority for press freedom, covering 180 countries in this year’s Press Freedom Index, Amnesty International is the de facto leader in the human rights movement globally.

All past winners are, for reference, at https://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_G ... eace_Prize.



Committee members can, of course, nominate. I tend not to because, as chair and OP, I don't want to seem biased (by the way, I'm a member of Amnesty International).
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