This thread is the 10th and final iteration of the Infantry Discussion Thread, Nationstates realism consultation thread and one of several sperg containment threads known for causing severe fits of autistic rage by spergs and sperg deniers alike.
In the spirit of the termination of this cancer, we celebrate the best and only caliber that matters: 10mm Automatic.
10mm Automatic, 10mm Auto, 10x25mm, “The Centimemer”, 10mm Colt, 10mm Cooper, 10mm, or simply “best caliber” is a semi-automatic pistol cartridge developed by professional sperglord Jeff Cooper, who, in addition to being the vector by which this gift from the creator was delivered to us created such memes as “The scout rifle” and “Conditions 4 through 0”. Despite this high level of Sperg, Cooper managed to hold it together long enough to give us this gift, proof that God loves us and wants us to kill each other.
10mms mediocre start was because of the cocaine fueled misadventures of finely mustached gentlemen of the 1980s, who were far more interested in tall butts in mom jeans and massive stacks of cash than gods message. The caliber almost fell into nothing. As we drifted from gods light, the original pistol chambered for 10x25mm, the Bren Ten, breathed it's last.
But then, a ray of hope. The best thing that could have happened, did: Disgruntled veterans and dead feds. The FBI, realizing revolvers were so last century and .38 Special was short for .38 Special Needs, jumped on the power bandwagon and showed everyone that they had the thickest, longest throbbing cock of the Law enforcement world by originally adopting 10mm automatic. Unfortunately, for some reason, the FBI was unable to continue the use of the powerhouse dick-crunching coke-snorting distilled fury that was gods own caliber because “muh wrists”, and instead sought help of American firearms manufacturing company Smith and Wesson (S&W) in developing a down-loaded, more compact version, which became .40 S&W (Short and Weak). Unfortunately, by doing so, they inadvertently created a copy of the M67 Fragmentation Grenade, which resulted in the ATF raiding every S&W employees house, shooting their dog and leaving them with a bill for the ammunition, which was ironically all 10mm.
10mm Automatic, regardless all this, is a diamond dozen in modern handguns, with caliber offerings for some of the largest manufacturers of handguns in the world: excluding H&K, because you suck and you’re poor. It's a good thing that 10mm isn't as prolific as 9mm however, as the pure amount of testosterone that it puts out is enough to make women grow beards. When loaded to original specifications, the .30 Remington derived cartridge delivers an impressive 900-1,100 ftlbs of energy, throwing bullets as light as 135 grains at 1600ft/s and bullets as much as 230 grains 1,125ft/s. The generally ideal loading for best mm is a 180 grain projectile propelled to some 1,250ft/s, which will penetrate as deep as 18.5 inches while delivering a wound cavity of some 51.2cm³ in volume, which allows for rapid incapacitation of a target.
Really there is no reason to not use 10mm unless you're some kind of Communist so man up and hop on the meme train boys because this threads last stop is the fucking grave.
Welcome to the Infantry in your Nation thread! A continuation of the Main Military Weapons thread series.
Unlike the previous series, this thread Is for the discussion of of your national military small arms, body armor, uniforms, communications gear, other general equipment, tactics or histories relating to Infantry, as opposed to only small arms and weapons.
All tech levels are welcome, but please understand that this thread tends to be geared towards past, modern, and postmodern tech, so designs operating on unexplained basis or pseudo-science are bound to be criticized from a realistic perspective. If having your designs evaluated for a realistic perspective does not appeal to you, it is advisable you do not post here. There is nothing wrong with future tech, fantasy tech, or any other non-modern technology based nation posting a design, and you are welcome to post here, but be prepared for the inevitable "That won't work because..." post. These are not meant to offend you, they are meant to teach you. If you do not require enlightenment, simply leave it alone.
If you do post a design here, you agree that it will likely be criticized by the denizens of this thread. You are under no obligation to change the design based on this criticism, but continuing to argue in the face of facts will not bode well for you. Further, if you are unsure as to a design element, ask. If someone asks and you do not know the answer, don't respond. Speak on subjects you know, don't attempt to bullshit. Finally, there are plenty of people in this thread, both new and old, who have knowledge regarding a vast array of military technologies, try to learn from them. Dispute if you will, but be prepared to use facts to back up your claims.
"Because it's magic" "I'm FT and therefore modern rules dont apply to me" and "because I say so" are not valid arguments. Posters, if a player makes aid argument, drop it. These and other non-answers demonstrate that the poster has no desire to learn, therefore, you can not teach.
Please avoid excessive posting of vehicles, regardless of their effect on infantry deployment, this is an infantry thread first and foremost, we have vehicle and aircraft threads for those. That said, discussion of various Armored Personnel Carriers, Infantry Fighting Vehicles ect. is permitted within limit.
The Rules
~ Originally by Risen Britannia, modified by Transnapastain and again by Aqizithiuda, and again by Puzikas.
1: Read the OP. As you can probably guess from the title this thread has been around a while, the OP containsallalotsome of the knowledge gained from previous iterations.
2: By posting you are accepting that they WILL be criticized, however it is up to you whether you listen (though you aren't going to make friends if you don't).
3: If you do offer criticism, make sure it's constructive, and don't assume that the person you're criticising knows what's wrong. "That won't work", "That's completely wrong" "What the hell is that abomination" and similar comments aren't helpful or constructive. Tell people why whatever is being designed won't work, especially if they ask you to explain. Saying "lul, an idiot can see why that won't work" or "because *insert obscure hint that only helps if the person you're talking to has the exact same set of knowledge as you do*" and similar things will only lead to flame wars, trolling and people getting banned. Don't be a dick.
4: Be civil, site rules still apply. Due to past incidents we have Mods (Transnapastain) who is a regular here.
5: Whilst not encouraged off topic posts are allowed to an extent, EG you wont get a warning if you post a jet or tank etc... Just remember this thread is for infantry equipment, including but not limited to small arms, armor and uniforms.
6: While the F&NI sub forum is in-character, most posts in technology discussions threads are OOC in nature. IC statements can be made but are not the norm and may not be read as in character.
7: Excepting page topping "gun porn", or "infantry porn", large images will be placed in spoilers. "Large" will be determined by moderation. If you are asked to place images in spoilers, please do so.
8: Be extra nice to Transnapastain
9: No feeding the trolls
10: Respect is earned, and your post probably isn't as funny as you think it is.
11. Do not fill up the thread by constantly posting the same thing over and over again. If you have a problem with another player, please place them on your ignore list.
GOLDEN RULE
Do not talk about politics, we don't care if you were just replying to someone, don't do it!
The Arsenal of Knowledge:
Army Feild Manual index
Information on the "AK-47" and family courtesy of Spreewerke
more "AK-47" infromation from Spreewerke
Information on Russian Body armor From Puzikas
Basic Submachine Gun Overview
An Explanation of Bullets and their Wounding Effects, by Puzikas
A history of bullets and the evolution of their wounding effects, by Puzikas
4.6x30 H&K, 5.7x28mm FN, and 9x19, by Puzikas
Allaneas Infantry guide
Bullet Design Calculator
(Please Note: meplat diameter should be, at minimum 0.15 times the diameter of the projectile, the boat tail angle should be not less than 7 degrees, the length of the projectile should not exceed 6 times the diameter of the projectile, there should be at least 5mm of body between the end of the ogive and the start of the boat tail, 10.4 is the specific gravity for FMJ projectiles not the default 11.4, M43 style steel core projectiles have a SG of 8.3, DBP10 steel cored rounds with an air pocket have a SG of 8.5, copper bullets have a SG of 8.9, steel cored lead free projectiles have a SG of 8.2, 7N6 style projectiles have a SG of 7.6, lead core projectiles with a large airgrap have a SG of 9.1, and M855 style steel tipped projectiles have a SG of 9.4)
Case capacity calculator by Arkandros
Internal Ballistics Calculator
External Ballistics Calculator
Custom MilTech Oriented Search Engine from the NSDraftroom
DTIC.mil Search Engine
Introduction to Magazines and Clips - Design, History, and Function
Operator Hotline
A composite List of modern Military Projectiles and Ammunitions, by Puzikas and Aqizithiuda. Includes 100 different projectiles ranging from a .17HMR FMJ to 14.5x114mm, the list covers 44 different named ammunition loads, with 37 rifle and 7 pistol rounds. Entries highlighted in Green represent military loads used in, in use, or with potential application in military settings. Areas highlighted in Blue are estimated figures for lack of concrete data or conflicting sources.
Finally, we have a list of regulars here, members who have been with us for awhile. The list below contains important information for first time or new posters on who knows what and who you may need to ask for information.
Our sister Threads
Ground Vehicle Thread, the Tankers Delight.
The Realism Consultation Thread, where non-military Realism related questions go
Airforce Thread, Go dance with the Angels! Only rule: Don't talk about rock and roll records.
Naval thread, where you can see boats.
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread, for all your military realism needs. Glory to the Coup! Za Kyiv!
Create your Own Everything (CYOE) thread, where you post things you made.
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