Cal state is bringing back a (weak form) of segragation.

[Frenline Delpha]

Is this chessmistress?

Nah. Style is completely different.

Equalaria didn't mention men. Chess would have jumped on the man hate train immediately.

[Balkenreich]

Nah. Style is completely different.

Equalaria didn't mention men. Chess would have jumped on the man hate train immediately.

they just hate everyone who doesnt bow to them as the matriarchs.

[Geilinor]

Hey everyone, let's just get outraged at the social studies warriors and their ebul agenda. No one pay attention to why the Black Student Union feels this is necessary, or what conditions lead to this situation, and how it could have been otherwise handled.

These threads get really fucking annoying and predictable. We need a megathread for these sorts of outrage-threads so all the self-aggrandizing circlejerks and buzzwordry can be confined to one place.

This is purely segregationist and racist. There's no excuse for the university to be taking up this proposal.

[Alvecia]

This actually makes sense. The pervasive white racism is not adequately combated by measures in the form of policy and policing anymore- keeping black students safe is what matters. This is a means to prevent further oppression, which in time will help black students succeed where they would otherwise be put down and made to feel inferior by the institutional racism of the country they are in

I'm putting 200 USD on Poe.

The pool's up to $2K

[Imperializt Russia]

King wanted his children to be able to hold hands with white children - he wanted there to be nothing telling them they couldn't.

And nothing about this does.
Black dorms doesn't mean "whites out, trespassers will be shot", and vice versa on the white dorms. It's not pissing No Man's Land.
Even so, I don't think this is abolition of mixed dorms, it's black dorms for black students who want them. Other black (and other ethnic) students can almost certainly choose to remain in the mixed dorms, which will be populated heavily by whites.

, king wanted full integration. This does not lead to that. For example King supported school bussing whether the parents wanted it or not.. I don't really think I am going to change your mind on this, but obviously on this tangent we disagree.

Because I think you're reading into King things he did not say or mean.

King supported it "whether parents wanted or not", because he wanted to smash the idea that they shouldn't be allowed to - an idea that was prevalent at that time, because he was fighting the actual policy of segregation, established on the basis that blacks were inferior and shouldn't be allowed to.
An idea that, thanks to the work and indeed life of King and thousands like him, is no longer prevalent.

No-one is stopping anything here.

[Des-Bal]

Because I think you're reading into King things he did not say or mean.

King supported it "whether parents wanted or not", because he wanted to smash the idea that they shouldn't be allowed to - an idea that was prevalent at that time, because he was fighting the actual policy of segregation, established on the basis that blacks were inferior and shouldn't be allowed to.
An idea that, thanks to the work and indeed life of King and thousands like him, is no longer prevalent.

No-one is stopping anything here.

Yes, Martin Luther King would have encouraged racism.

[Wallenburg]

Yes, Martin Luther King would have encouraged racism.

[Des-Bal]

That's where we are right? Martin Luther King would have wanted people who had negative views of other races to separate themselves from those races and to allow those views to fester.

[Wallenburg]

That's where we are right? Martin Luther King would have wanted people who had negative views of other races to separate themselves from those races and to allow those views to fester.

I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

[Valystria]

This is a great idea and should be rolled out to every university. The racial tensions cited by BLM will be relegated to the past once the races in conflict are no longer required to mingle. I am glad the Left has fully come around to the extreme-right way of thought.

[Des-Bal]

I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

We are discussing the wishes of a dead man (who contrary to popular opinion is not and was never king of the black people or the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate) and whether or not self segregation is different from state enforced segregation. It doesn't actually because it neglects that even if it is different MLK may have still disapproved and even if he didn't he was just a dude.

[Ostroeuropa]

I oppose this because it's an unnecessary administrative cost that will increase the needless waste involved in education spending. It is inefficient.

[Gauthier]

I would not be surprised if this was in response to jack shit being done about complaints by black students of racist harassment.

[Des-Bal]

I would not be surprised if this was in response to jack shit being done about complaints by black students of racist harassment.

Well now that we have policies encouraging racism things will certainly cool off.

[Socialist Latin American States]

i guess atleast we dont have to worry about them having conflect, sadly i do not feel that race relatons will ever improve if we choose to distance ourselves.

[Herskerstad]

But the question was, what did king want, and how does this apply. King wanted integration, he wanted the American dream for all people. He would not approve.

Malcom X, wanted A segregated "equality" (for lack of a better word). Until just before his end, he would have approved and supported the college.

King wanted his children to be able to hold hands with white children - he wanted there to be nothing telling them they couldn't.

And nothing about this does.
Black dorms doesn't mean "whites out, trespassers will be shot", and vice versa on the white dorms. It's not pissing No Man's Land.
Even so, I don't think this is abolition of mixed dorms, it's black dorms for black students who want them. Other black (and other ethnic) students can almost certainly choose to remain in the mixed dorms, which will be populated heavily by whites.

Guessing establishing 'white dorms' will be a problem though, right?

[Socialist Latin American States]

well in theory if we make a space for the black, asain, hispanic students . wouldnt the white students get to stay in the orginal dorms

[Wallenburg]

I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

We are discussing the wishes of a dead man (who contrary to popular opinion is not and was never king of the black people or the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate) and whether or not self segregation is different from state enforced segregation. It doesn't actually because it neglects that even if it is different MLK may have still disapproved and even if he didn't he was just a dude.

I'm quite confused here. When I said "I'm not sure where you are getting that from," I meant that I don't understand why you say MLK supported self-segregation.

[Gauthier]

I would not be surprised if this was in response to jack shit being done about complaints by black students of racist harassment.

Well now that we have policies encouraging racism things will certainly cool off.

And so the proper response is to file more complaints that jack shit will be done about like good subservients instead of taking active measures.

[Des-Bal]

And so the proper response is to file more complaints that jack shit will be done about like good subservients instead of taking active measures.

Eating the flesh of newborn babes would also be an active measure and it would also be ill advised. Adopting policies that encourage racism is not an appropriate response to racism.

[Ethel mermania]

That's where we are right? Martin Luther King would have wanted people who had negative views of other races to separate themselves from those races and to allow those views to fester.

I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

From IR's misunderstanding of the words and thoughts of MLK.

[Gauthier]

And so the proper response is to file more complaints that jack shit will be done about like good subservients instead of taking active measures.

Eating the flesh of newborn babes would also be an active measure and it would also be ill advised. Adopting policies that encourage racism is not an appropriate response to racism.

So you're calling for the black students to submit and accept the racism that nothing will still be done about. Because that would have resulted in the Civil Rights Act obviously.

[Des-Bal]

So you're calling for the black students to submit and accept the racism that nothing will still be done about. Because that would have resulted in the Civil Rights Act obviously.

I'm not sure how much you know about the civil rights act but the side in favor of separating the races did not treat it as a victory.

[Gauthier]

So you're calling for the black students to submit and accept the racism that nothing will still be done about. Because that would have resulted in the Civil Rights Act obviously.

I'm not sure how much you know about the civil rights act but the side in favor of separating the races did not treat it as a victory.

You're declaring that the students need to shut up and accept the racist harassment that nothing is being done about because otherwise the racists win. If there were active administrative actions taken against the harassments in the first place I doubt there would have been a call for a segregated dorm as a shelter to begin with.

[Crockerland]

I'm not sure how much you know about the civil rights act but the side in favor of separating the races did not treat it as a victory.

You're declaring that the students need to shut up and accept the racist harassment that nothing is being done about because otherwise the racists win. If there were active administrative actions taken against the harassments in the first place I doubt there would have been a call for a segregated dorm as a shelter to begin with.

I have yet to see any evidence of harassment.