What does 9/11/01 mean to you?

[Arcturus Novus]

I was maybe three years old when the towers fell. I don't remember the day itself. I knew people died but that was it. However, I do remember that I started school around the time that we decided to move into Iraq. By age 5 I knew the word "terrorist". For as long as I've been capable of complex thought, my nation has been at war with terrorists. To this day, I'm still not sure if we even know who the terrorists are.

[Mattopilos]

"Nothing, really. A day for dark jokes and people comparing an event to something much worse than it."

That's actually even worse than what you were saying later. My apologies for giving the posts after it thought and replies.

Mature. Very mature. It is almost like people could have opinions opposite to yours. Strange that. It is also like people use jokes to deal with grief. Funny that. Seriously, thanks for being a jackass, it makes me feel better.

[Minzerland II]

Pointing out that a prior occurrence as far worse than the current one as if it's relevant is still relative privation.

Man, better never compare two events ever in case I evoke a fallacy that isn't what you fucking said! No. It. Isn't. If that were the case, me saying the simple phrase "The holocaust was worse statistically than 9/11 by death" would be untrue purely by that fallacy, even if from that I am NOT suggesting it is justified, nor that is something to be forgotten. You are really conflating two separate things.

In American history, sure. Doesn't take away the importance of many occurring and past-events with higher death tolls and structural damage. Don't get me wrong, people with personal connections to the event (family, friends) very much have a reason to upset by it.

That was what you said, de facto 'not worse than prior occurrences'. Why would you say it? You waltzed on in. Sat down. And said, 'It wasn't as worse as prior occurrences, y'know?', which is solely invoking relative privation for unnecessarily asserting that something is worse, you've implicitely tried to minimise the occurrence. It wouldn't be untrue, that'd be a fallacy fallacy. I didn't say that. What have I conflated?

[Soadino]

Pinochet. 9/11 means Pinochet.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

that I started school around the time that we decided to move into Iraq

Wait, what?

[Arcturus Novus]

that I started school around the time that we decided to move into Iraq

Wait, what?

I was in kindergarten when Bush sent US troops to Iraq.

[Mattopilos]

That was what you said, de facto 'not worse than prior occurrences'. Why would you say it? You waltzed on in. Sat down. And said, 'It wasn't as worse as prior occurrences, y'know?', which is solely invoking relative privation for unnecessarily asserting that something is worse, you've implicitely tried to minimise the occurrence. it wouldn't be untrue, that'd be afallacy fallacy. I didn't say that. What have I conflated?

Yes. I did say it wasn't as bad as prior occurrences. The issue is the part where I didn't say "therefore B is justified". Maybe check on that before assuming I made a fallacy. In other words, I never reached an absolute conclusion that means that one SHOULD be treated worse than the other. YOU did. YOU assumed I minimized the occurrence. Fuck, I wish I could call foul and people would agree with me!

You conflated a "not as bad as" fallacy with an opinion on what is worse... without actually coming to a logical conclusion on how one should act because of it - I will say this, ad nausium, that I didn't justify it, not did I say it is not something to be sad over, which is what a holocaust denier would do - people VERY well known to use such a fallacy.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

Wait, what?

I was in kindergarten when Bush sent US troops to Iraq.

Oh, I misinterpreted your post. I though you were saying you and your family moved to Iraq..

[Krosana]

I was born into a post-9/11 America. I see 9/11 as the day when we decided to intervene more(when I mean more, I mean like, LET'S NUKE THE HELL OUT OF ALL THE TERRORISTS AND COMMIES, instead of let's just provide help to the opposing side of the commies or the terrorists) in the world's affairs for better or for worse. It also made Islamophobia stronger in the US, because of ignorant people(primarily southerners)thinking that all Muslims are terrorists, which lead to the idiots killing innocent Muslims in the name of "freedom". Thus, I view 9/11 as a sad day in US history, and a day where the south became polarized to anti-Islamic, especially the people of the Deep South(Mainly Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi).

WHEN?

[Arcturus Novus]

I was in kindergarten when Bush sent US troops to Iraq.

Oh, I misinterpreted your post. I though you were saying you and your family moved to Iraq..

Oh. Heavens, no, we'd die from the sun alone.

[Hispania Invicta]

Man, really being a jerk yourself here. Me thinks you are getting overemotional in people sharing their opinions.

"All due respect to victims of both catastrophies, but I'm still annoyed at America for that."
If you can show me how this was America's fault, I'll be impressed.


What will everybody do today to remember/mourn/etc today? Nothing? Something?

I'm not blaming either attack on the US, but I certainly disapprove of the media in both countries for prioritizing the US over most if not all other nations. I also oppose the Spanish Government's decision to kneel before America, especially when they dropped a nuclear warhead on us, butchered the remainings of the Spanish Empire over a ship Spaniards didn't sink (it was either Cuban rebels, poor maintenance or even American sabotage) and isolated us in the international scene and then only sided with Franco for his anti-communist beliefs in exchange for American occupation of Spanish soil, instead of giving a hand to democrats like the Soviets or Mexicans or even the dreaded reds.

And personally, I wear black for the three Spaniards dead in the attacks, as well as respect for the other 3k+ victims.

[Minzerland II]

That was what you said, de facto 'not worse than prior occurrences'. Why would you say it? You waltzed on in. Sat down. And said, 'It wasn't as worse as prior occurrences, y'know?', which is solely invoking relative privation for unnecessarily asserting that something is worse, you've implicitely tried to minimise the occurrence. it wouldn't be untrue, that'd be afallacy fallacy. I didn't say that. What have I conflated?

Yes. I did say it wasn't as bad as prior occurrences. The issue is the part where I didn't say "therefore B is justified". Maybe check on that before assuming I made a fallacy. In other words, I never reached an absolute conclusion that means that one SHOULD be treated worse than the other. YOU did. YOU assumed I minimized the occurrence. Fuck, I wish I could call foul and people would agree with me!

You conflated a "not as bad as" fallacy with an opinion on what is worse... without actually coming to a logical conclusion on how one should act because of it - I will say this, ad nausium, that I didn't justify it, not did I say it is not something to be sad over, which is what a holocaust denier would do - people VERY well known to use such a fallacy.

It. Doesn't. Need. You. To. Say. It. Was. Justified. Do you need a strongly written letter from the UN to get this across to you? Do you have trouble processing this?

In American history, sure. Doesn't take away the importance of many occurring and past-events with higher death tolls and structural damage. Don't get me wrong, people with personal connections to the event (family, friends) very much have a reason to upset by it.

What intention did you have when mentioning this? Seems a lot like minimalising an occurrence because it ain't worse to me.

You said it doesn't take away from importance of prior occurances, this minimises it.

[Krosana]

To me this year it means a lot of idiots are going to post 9/11 memes on /b/ and I have to sift through the 9/11 threads to get to the xxx related threads.

I know that feeling man. At least YLYL threads are going to be pretty good.

[Mattopilos]

It. Doesn't. Need. You. To. Say. It. Was. Justified. Do you need a strongly written letter from the UN to get this across to you? Do you have trouble processing this?

To be honest I do. How does me not justifying such a thought make it a fallacy? I really don't get how.

What intention did you have when mentioning this? Seems a lot like minimalising an occurrence because it ain't worse to me.

Not in the slightest.

[Minzerland II]

It. Doesn't. Need. You. To. Say. It. Was. Justified. Do you need a strongly written letter from the UN to get this across to you? Do you have trouble processing this?

To be honest I do. How does me not justifying such a thought make it a fallacy? I really don't get how.

What intention did you have when mentioning this? Seems a lot like minimalising an occurrence because it ain't worse to me.

Not in the slightest.

You've tried to make the scenario appear better by comparing it to the worse historical examples. That is relative privation.

In American history, sure. Doesn't take away the importance of many occurring and past-events with higher death tolls and structural damage. Don't get me wrong, people with personal connections to the event (family, friends) very much have a reason to upset by it.

[Mattopilos]

You've tried to make the scenario appear better by comparing it to the worse historical examples. That is relative privation.

In American history, sure. Doesn't take away the importance of many occurring and past-events with higher death tolls and structural damage. Don't get me wrong, people with personal connections to the event (family, friends) very much have a reason to upset by it.

Okay, I apologize for ever giving such an impression and wish to tell you I do not in any way think less of the event, but wish others did think of other events as well. That is what I meant to get across from what I have said, and I should work on my wording on the future.

[Minzerland II]

You've tried to make the scenario appear better by comparing it to the worse historical examples. That is relative privation.

Okay, I apologize for ever giving such an impression and wish to tell you I do not in any way think less of the event, but wish others did think of other events as well. That is what I meant to get across from what I have said, and I should work on my wording on the future.

No problem, we all invoke fallacies, whether that be consciously or unconsciously; I myself committed a red herring, I've distracted us from the intended topic of this thread.

I'll work on my own writings, they're confusing to read, even for me.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

9/11 was the exact day my mother learned she was pregnant of me.
So it is, weirdly, a pretty happy day for my familly.

I think that it's wonderful that violence and death haven't completely claimed that day for some, at least.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

9/11 was the exact day my mother learned she was pregnant of me.
So it is, weirdly, a pretty happy day for my familly.

I think that it's wonderful that violence and death haven't completely claimed that day for some, at least.

A uncommon miracle it seems.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Nothing much, really. I remember 9/11 as just another day at school with a new hot topic to discuss in everyone's mouth.

I do remember enjoying to watch videos of those two towers collapsing over and over again. Not every day you see something that size go down, and it didn't bother me in the least that several thousand people died there even as I watched those infamous moments of some poor souls leaping to their deaths to escape the flames.

It was the fallout of 9/11 that really did change me, though. It clearly shaped and cemented my rather negative view of Islam and Muslims in general that I hold to this day. The faith that drew some folks to commit such an atrocity clearly couldn't be good, so anyone holding such faith can't be good either. Or at least a friend of the West.

[The Great Devourer of All]

I'm surprised Google hasn't made a doodle memorializing the incident, like they usually do.

[Cannot think of a name]

Nothing much, really. I remember 9/11 as just another day at school with a new hot topic to discuss in everyone's mouth.

I do remember enjoying to watch videos of those two towers collapsing over and over again. Not every day you see something that size go down, and it didn't bother me in the least that several thousand people died there even as I watched those infamous moments of some poor souls leaping to their deaths to escape the flames.

It was the fallout of 9/11 that really did change me, though. It clearly shaped and cemented my rather negative view of Islam and Muslims in general that I hold to this day. The faith that drew some folks to commit such an atrocity clearly couldn't be good, so anyone holding such faith can't be good either. Or at least a friend of the West.

Careful, you'll cut yourself.

[New Rogernomics]

It is a really sad day, that also had awful repercussions for US foreign policy.

Always wanted to visit the towers and see New York city some day growing up.

But after they fell that aspiration died, even though I still ended up living in America, and visited NYC few times post 9/11.

NYC lost something on 9/11, and despite all this time, in parts it is still a city with tension, and some fear in the air.

[Wansul]

To me, it means the true end of the Cold War Era, and the start of civil war, terrorism, and destruction in the Middle East, and death and chaos spreading.

[The Great Devourer of All]

Nothing much, really. I remember 9/11 as just another day at school with a new hot topic to discuss in everyone's mouth.

I do remember enjoying to watch videos of those two towers collapsing over and over again. Not every day you see something that size go down, and it didn't bother me in the least that several thousand people died there even as I watched those infamous moments of some poor souls leaping to their deaths to escape the flames.

It was the fallout of 9/11 that really did change me, though. It clearly shaped and cemented my rather negative view of Islam and Muslims in general that I hold to this day. The faith that drew some folks to commit such an atrocity clearly couldn't be good, so anyone holding such faith can't be good either. Or at least a friend of the West.

That's at least five painfully obvious attempts at edginess in one relatively short post. Choose just one, because 'meh 9/11' and 'ebil Muslims' don't really mix well.