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by Atnaia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:17 am
by Vancouvia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:57 am
by Ostehaar » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:13 am
Vancouvia wrote:I disagree. [...] I like seeing what's being done and what's not. [...] it has nothing to do with being busy or "nothing going on."
by Vancouvia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:18 am
Ostehaar wrote:Vancouvia wrote:I disagree. [...] I like seeing what's being done and what's not. [...] it has nothing to do with being busy or "nothing going on."
I like seeing what's being done or not too - but a monthly report is not a good format for this. I can actually see what Miklania, Atnaia, PPU, and you are doing in the region all the time - the only officer whose job I don't "see" is the SoE. So it doesn't help me when every month I read that the SoI "has helped new people" and that the President "has dealt with this threat to the region" or whatever - I see what they're doing. If I'm not happy about it, I'll complain.
by Agadar » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:33 am
Ostehaar wrote:Vancouvia wrote:I disagree. [...] I like seeing what's being done and what's not. [...] it has nothing to do with being busy or "nothing going on."
I like seeing what's being done or not too - but a monthly report is not a good format for this. I can actually see what Miklania, Atnaia, PPU, and you are doing in the region all the time - the only officer whose job I don't "see" is the SoE. So it doesn't help me when every month I read that the SoI "has helped new people" and that the President "has dealt with this threat to the region" or whatever - I see what they're doing. If I'm not happy about it, I'll complain.
by Vancouvia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:39 am
by Ostehaar » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:42 am
Agadar wrote:I don't quite see why you're singling out the SoE from the other executives: if you want to 'see' what the SoE is doing, one can look at the growth or decay of the regional population and the embassy programs.
Agadar wrote:Here's an idea to entertain: what if instead of every executive officer having to write their own report, it becomes the President's responsibility to write a report every month, detailing everything the executive has been up to? This would relief the burden of having to write reports from all executives save the President, and is entirely in the scope of the Presidential office, being the executive branch's supervisor. It might also motivate the President to write the monthly report, as he will be covering the entirety of the executive branch's activities instead of his own seemingly monotone activities of which reporting on is deemed pointless.
by Taziristan » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:48 am
by Atnaia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:59 am
by Miklania » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:07 am
by Miklania » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:11 am
by Taziristan » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:14 am
by Miklania » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:24 am
Taziristan wrote:To me, this is not a valid excuse: for one, PPU sends out the regional updates and telegrams for people who don't read the RMB, so if we want to start chopping responsibilities, then his will be included. Him doing that also ensures that we all get the report.
Secondly, it shouldn't just be a few sarcastic lines. If the president is asked by law to make a report, it should be a quality that meets the expectations of the law. If the current president is unwilling to carry out the law per his constitutional duty, then I see no need for him to continue being president.
by Taziristan » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:29 am
Miklania wrote:Taziristan wrote:To me, this is not a valid excuse: for one, PPU sends out the regional updates and telegrams for people who don't read the RMB, so if we want to start chopping responsibilities, then his will be included. Him doing that also ensures that we all get the report.
Secondly, it shouldn't just be a few sarcastic lines. If the president is asked by law to make a report, it should be a quality that meets the expectations of the law. If the current president is unwilling to carry out the law per his constitutional duty, then I see no need for him to continue being president.
Back to Agadar's original point. Is this a law worth sacking half the regional government over? If you think so, you have greatly impaired mental capabilities. This obsession with making this look like a real world government instead of a group of people dedicated to sustaining the region is absurd and ridiculous.
by Miklania » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:35 am
Taziristan wrote:Miklania wrote:Back to Agadar's original point. Is this a law worth sacking half the regional government over? If you think so, you have greatly impaired mental capabilities. This obsession with making this look like a real world government instead of a group of people dedicated to sustaining the region is absurd and ridiculous.
We wouldn't have to sack half the regional government: We would just have to sack you. You are responsible for ensuring that we do our jobs. You cannot do this if you are refusing to do this yourself. This law is part of what makes our region so transparent and you refusing to follow through with it is also a sad failure of the system. You should be challenged and you should be replaced if you don't take your job seriously.
by Agadar » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:37 am
by Taziristan » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:39 am
Miklania wrote:Taziristan wrote:We wouldn't have to sack half the regional government: We would just have to sack you. You are responsible for ensuring that we do our jobs. You cannot do this if you are refusing to do this yourself. This law is part of what makes our region so transparent and you refusing to follow through with it is also a sad failure of the system. You should be challenged and you should be replaced if you don't take your job seriously.
I do take my job seriously.
I am a rational human being , and capable of making the distinction between a just and beneficial job and one that is neither. I will continue as I have, to enforce the proper laws of the region. But I will not blindly follow the dictations of some stupid law that does not benefit the region.
by Miklania » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:42 am
Agadar wrote:Miklania, I care about this region and its governance, but I do not read the 100+ new RMB messages every time I log in (just the last page or two), nor do I carefully analyze the regional happenings every time I log in. I simply don't have the time for that. Even if I had, then I would be spending most of my time reading hours-old, mostly irrelevant, RMB messages. I'd bet many other nations share this view.
But even if I carefully analyzed the regional happenings every time I log in, then I still wouldn't be getting the full picture of what executives are doing. I might see someone got banned, but what for? No idea. I might see embassies being cancelled. What for? No idea. Other things, such as recruitment telegram rounds, RP planning by the SoI, even things such as new Executive Orders being written don't appear at all in the regional happenings. Most of the time, I have to ask you, Van, or someone else what's been happening, why this or that nation got banned, and so forth. Executive reports ensure that we know these things without having to ask around, assuming said reports are written properly.
The reports aren't there to motivate executives to do their jobs, but to give the community an idea of what the executive's been doing for them.
I'm not sure where the accusation of 'making this look like a real world government instead of a group of people dedicated to sustaining the region' comes from. Yeah, this is NationStates and it's all fun and games, but that doesn't mean that when you take it upon yourself to be responsible for leading an in-game community that you can pick and choose what parts of the responsibility you like and which you don't like, and discard the parts you don't like. It's a slippery slope towards just ignoring the entire Constitution as a whole and doing whatever you feel like, choosing to ignore laws you don't agree with as you go along.
by Taziristan » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:44 am
Miklania wrote:Agadar wrote:Miklania, I care about this region and its governance, but I do not read the 100+ new RMB messages every time I log in (just the last page or two), nor do I carefully analyze the regional happenings every time I log in. I simply don't have the time for that. Even if I had, then I would be spending most of my time reading hours-old, mostly irrelevant, RMB messages. I'd bet many other nations share this view.
But even if I carefully analyzed the regional happenings every time I log in, then I still wouldn't be getting the full picture of what executives are doing. I might see someone got banned, but what for? No idea. I might see embassies being cancelled. What for? No idea. Other things, such as recruitment telegram rounds, RP planning by the SoI, even things such as new Executive Orders being written don't appear at all in the regional happenings. Most of the time, I have to ask you, Van, or someone else what's been happening, why this or that nation got banned, and so forth. Executive reports ensure that we know these things without having to ask around, assuming said reports are written properly.
The reports aren't there to motivate executives to do their jobs, but to give the community an idea of what the executive's been doing for them.
I'm not sure where the accusation of 'making this look like a real world government instead of a group of people dedicated to sustaining the region' comes from. Yeah, this is NationStates and it's all fun and games, but that doesn't mean that when you take it upon yourself to be responsible for leading an in-game community that you can pick and choose what parts of the responsibility you like and which you don't like, and discard the parts you don't like. It's a slippery slope towards just ignoring the entire Constitution as a whole and doing whatever you feel like, choosing to ignore laws you don't agree with as you go along.
If you really want to know, you can ask. Most people do anyway, instead of waiting until the end of the month to read a report. Why do none of you realize that the intention of the law and the actual effect are two very different things? For all your noble intentions about "wanting people to know" you fail to realize that no one actually reads the reports.
by Miklania » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:31 am
Taziristan wrote:Miklania wrote:If you really want to know, you can ask. Most people do anyway, instead of waiting until the end of the month to read a report. Why do none of you realize that the intention of the law and the actual effect are two very different things? For all your noble intentions about "wanting people to know" you fail to realize that no one actually reads the reports.
That's why we are putting for this new proposal. And excuse me? Mine has at least 8 reads and my July one has 4 upvotes. People would read them if you announced them on the RMB and wrote them like you're supposed to. Hard to read something that doesn't exist.
by Taziristan » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:34 am
by Miklania » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:54 am
Taziristan wrote:And that's without me mentioning it on the RMB like I was supposed to. The last one Got up to 40.
by Agadar » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:13 am
State of the Isles Act
“An Act of the Senate that seeks to streamline executive reporting by replacing and updating existing guidelines."
Preamble
Among Executive Officers, there is discontent with the current guidelines for executive reporting as defined in the Officer Accountability Revision Act. Specifically, Executive Officers feel the monthly reports they must write are too short and shallow to justify the trouble of writing them. Regardless, there is a need from the community of the Isles to be provided with executive reports. As such, this legislation seeks to provide a compromise: it repeals the Officer Accountability Revision Act (as well as its predecessor, Officer Accountability) and replaces it with this law, which implements a monthly State of the Isles address written by the President, which covers the entirety of the last month's activities and the next month's plans of the Executive branch.
Repeals
(1) Repeals 'Officer Accountability Revision Act'.
(2) Repeals 'Officer Accountability'.
State of the Isles address
(1) On or before the first day of each month, the President is to present to the region the State of the Isles address, containing documentation and a summary on what the Executive branch has accomplished, fulfilled, executed, or otherwise done in the realm of its offices over the previous month's time, as well as an overview of any of the Executive branch's plans for the coming month.
(2) This information shall be archived by the Secretary of Information, who shall publish a complete dispatch no later than noon on the first day of each month.
by Polar Svalbard » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:01 am
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