Primarily the US election thread, I would think.
It involves a UK-based media outlet, but the implications are primarily associated with the US election - though I imagine some associated discussion of UK libel laws would be relevant here.
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by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:33 am
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:37 am
by Rufford » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:38 am
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:48 am
by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:52 am
Rufford wrote:I'm surprised, Arch, that they didn't call it the "Wallace Bridge", as was suggested. That would have suited the SNP a lot better.
by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:07 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:Do Pales count as (historical) counties?
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:24 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:Do Pales count as (historical) counties?
An interesting historical question. The issue of what constitutes a 'county' (an unfortunate typo had me initially type that without the 'o') is far less clear-cut in UK usage than it might seem. Scotland, Wales, England, and all parts of Ireland have 'traditional counties' which are generally clearly understood, but A) even the traditional counties were more malleable than people often appreciate and B) various government reforms since the Second World War have both weakened the traditional counties and changed our understanding of what a county is. For example, are the unitary authorities of Stoke and Portsmouth 'counties', or are they simply cities with county-level powers? If the latter, then how to approach the Soke of Peterborough, the Isle of Ely, or the 1889-1965 County of London?
However, the Pale of Calais was never governed or defined as a county, but was rather (oversimplifying) headed by a military commander with special plenary powers. As such, no, I don't think it counts as a county.
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:36 am
by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:45 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
An interesting historical question. The issue of what constitutes a 'county' (an unfortunate typo had me initially type that without the 'o') is far less clear-cut in UK usage than it might seem. Scotland, Wales, England, and all parts of Ireland have 'traditional counties' which are generally clearly understood, but A) even the traditional counties were more malleable than people often appreciate and B) various government reforms since the Second World War have both weakened the traditional counties and changed our understanding of what a county is. For example, are the unitary authorities of Stoke and Portsmouth 'counties', or are they simply cities with county-level powers? If the latter, then how to approach the Soke of Peterborough, the Isle of Ely, or the 1889-1965 County of London?
However, the Pale of Calais was never governed or defined as a county, but was rather (oversimplifying) headed by a military commander with special plenary powers. As such, no, I don't think it counts as a county.
Too bad.
What about former colonies? Specifically, New York City (or whatever the governmental division was at that time)?
by Elepis » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:47 am
Alvecia wrote:Ooh, new thread.
Greater Manchester represent. Us newer counties deserve some love as well.
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:47 am
by The Nihilistic view » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:47 am
by Elepis » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:52 am
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:53 am
Elepis wrote:
well I was a very immobile child but I still did well in school
Its the G20 soon isn't it, wonder how May will do in that now she has (very probably) pissed of the Chinese, which is not really a good idea in world politics or economics.
by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:55 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:I once walked past a homeless person and didn't tell them they were scum. I've heard that counts.
I once bought a coffee for a homeless person, I had to go to a correctional facility for 3 months after to wash the socialist attitude out of my system.
by Rufford » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:56 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
Too bad.
What about former colonies? Specifically, New York City (or whatever the governmental division was at that time)?
Confusingly, the Five Boroughs of New York City are also full counties of New York State in their own right. Furthermore, four of those Boroughs - Manhattan (New York County), Queens (Queens County), Staten Island (Richmond County), and Brooklyn (Kings County) - formed part of the original 12 counties of New York as established in 1683.
However, if the question is 'did the 13 colonies have counties formed by the British and local colonial governments prior to 1776', then the answer is yes. If you then want to argue that these can therefore be considered 'historical counties' of the United Kingdom (more accurately the Kingdom of Great Britain since we're pre-1801), then you're free to make that case.
If so, you would perhaps be looking to focus on New York County (Manhattan). If this argument is accepted - and I'm inclined to define the question as referring to the current territory of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland - then I might instead choose St Mary's County, Maryland (founded 1637).
by The Nihilistic view » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:57 am
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:58 am
by Valaran » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:00 am
Elepis wrote:
Its the G20 soon isn't it, wonder how May will do in that now she has (very probably) pissed of the Chinese, which is not really a good idea in world politics or economics.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:04 am
Rufford wrote:If you counted places that have been part of Britain in history, then it would have to be the Himalayan part of India.
by Elepis » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:16 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
I once bought a coffee for a homeless person, I had to go to a correctional facility for 3 months after to wash the socialist attitude out of my system.
25 years ago, while driving through what's now the Democratic Republic of the Congo, small children would almost always shout 'donnez-moi une bic' ('give me a pen') at us whenever we passed through a village. No doubt they were hoping that we would help allay the costs of their education by supplying them with hard to acquire writing materials.
After 3 weeks of this, somewhere between Bumba and Lisala (I think), I cracked.
The next village we drove through, when the cute and poverty-stricked mud village-dwelling children from a country wracked with corruption and failing infrastructure called out to us, I simply dangled a pen out of the window as we passed through.
The next day, I signed up for membership of the British Fascist Union.*
*This last sentence may not be true. To my regret and shame, the rest of the post is entirely true.
by Valystria » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:51 am
Val Halla wrote:Olivaero wrote:Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.
Most politicians do fuck all.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:52 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
Too bad.
What about former colonies? Specifically, New York City (or whatever the governmental division was at that time)?
Confusingly, the Five Boroughs of New York City are also full counties of New York State in their own right. Furthermore, four of those Boroughs - Manhattan (New York County), Queens (Queens County), Staten Island (Richmond County), and Brooklyn (Kings County) - formed part of the original 12 counties of New York as established in 1683.
However, if the question is 'did the 13 colonies have counties formed by the British and local colonial governments prior to 1776', then the answer is yes. If you then want to argue that these can therefore be considered 'historical counties' of the United Kingdom (more accurately the Kingdom of Great Britain since we're pre-1801), then you're free to make that case.
If so, you would perhaps be looking to focus on New York County (Manhattan). If this argument is accepted - and I'm inclined to define the question as referring to the current territory of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland - then I might instead choose St Mary's County, Maryland (founded 1637).
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:53 am
Valystria wrote:And on behalf of myself congratulations to me on now having a reason to post in the UK thread due to residence. I also give props to the Daily Mail on educating and informing me on the complex intricacies of British politics, and I highly recommend the DM to anyone new to Britain for getting up to speed.
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