UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Souseiseki]

Your illegal fetishes definitely constitute dangerous socialism.

it's only illegal for women tbh

[Imperializt Russia]

Your illegal fetishes definitely constitute dangerous socialism.

it's only illegal for women tbh

Just as the bible intended.

[Questers]

Your illegal fetishes definitely constitute dangerous socialism.

it's only illegal for women tbh

as long as he doesn't squirt

[Irona]

it's only illegal for women tbh

as long as he doesn't squirt

I'm incredibly uncomfortable right now

[Ifreann]

as long as he doesn't squirt

I'm incredibly uncomfortable right now

The properly British way to feel.

[Questers]

as long as he doesn't squirt

I'm incredibly uncomfortable right now

You don't have to be involved. I'm sure Samoz can squirt without your help.

[Imperializt Russia]

Too many cooks, etc.

[Ifreann]

Too many cooks, etc.

But many hands, etc.

[Ostroeuropa]

i'm still lolling over this btw

(From previous thread, quote edited it in here.)

Yeh, okay, so she's my waifu. We just didn't want anyone dismissing her arguments because of it. Since she moved in we've realized our situation is pretty good.


Wolfmanne;

Get a job!

One of us has a part time job. The other is disabled and does charity work when able to do so, ranging from domestic violence, to animal care, to mental health.

As a matter of fact, the government is so fucking shit at fulfilling its supposed obligations on two of these, and basically relies on people like me to do it for them, that they may as well just employ me anyway. It doesn't even fucking bother with the animal care, but I get that, it doesn't pretend to. The other two though? Fuck me, what a trainwreck.

You call it scrounging. I call it collecting my paycheck for shit they're supposed to be doing and failing spectacularly at and then leaving me and others to pick up the pieces. And it's a modest wage.

Don't give me the moral pretensions. When bureaucracies fail, this is the kind of shit that happens.

I'm not saying any more about it.

[Olivaero]

i'm still lolling over this btw

(From previous thread, quote edited it in here.)

Yeh, okay, so she's my waifu. We just didn't want anyone dismissing her arguments because of it. Since she moved in we've realized our situation is pretty good.


Wolfmanne;

Get a job!

One of us has a part time job. The other is disabled and does charity work when able to do so, ranging from domestic violence, to animal care, to mental health.

As a matter of fact, the government is so fucking shit at fulfilling its supposed obligations on two of these, and basically relies on people like me to do it for them, that they may as well just employ me anyway. It doesn't even fucking bother with the animal care, but I get that, it doesn't pretend to. The other two though? Fuck me, what a trainwreck.

You call it scrounging. I call it collecting my paycheck for shit they're supposed to be doing and failing spectacularly at and then leaving me and others to pick up the pieces. And it's a modest wage.

Don't give me the moral pretensions. When bureaucracies fail, this is the kind of shit that happens.

I'm not saying any more about it.

The response was as sweet as I imagined

[Ostroeuropa]

(From previous thread, quote edited it in here.)

Yeh, okay, so she's my waifu. We just didn't want anyone dismissing her arguments because of it. Since she moved in we've realized our situation is pretty good.


Wolfmanne;


One of us has a part time job. The other is disabled and does charity work when able to do so, ranging from domestic violence, to animal care, to mental health.

As a matter of fact, the government is so fucking shit at fulfilling its supposed obligations on two of these, and basically relies on people like me to do it for them, that they may as well just employ me anyway. It doesn't even fucking bother with the animal care, but I get that, it doesn't pretend to. The other two though? Fuck me, what a trainwreck.

You call it scrounging. I call it collecting my paycheck for shit they're supposed to be doing and failing spectacularly at and then leaving me and others to pick up the pieces. And it's a modest wage.

Don't give me the moral pretensions. When bureaucracies fail, this is the kind of shit that happens.

I'm not saying any more about it.

The response was as sweet as I imagined

It irks me because I specifically do this kind of stuff because i'm well aware its immoral to go around not contributing to society when you can.
But what am i supposed to do?
How many employers are going to be fine with me calling up and saying "Yeh, I'm not coming in today because reasons."

I'd like a normal job. Maybe. Probably not, because this has become something i'm invested in now. But I can't get one, so that's that. It's not like I planned my life out deciding to not advance up the ladder and just gulping down the trickle down piss.
Hence the saving and investing.

But apparently that's wrong.

[Olivaero]

The response was as sweet as I imagined

It irks me because I specifically do this kind of stuff because i'm well aware its immoral to go around not contributing to society when you can.
But what am i supposed to do?
How many employers are going to be fine with me calling up and saying "Yeh, I'm not coming in today because reasons."

I know this, I agree with it as well but to me what does and doesnt contribute are difficult to define terms and i think the individual not the state should decide how they want to contribute. Charity is an excellent way. But the arts, studying society and giving young people fresh expierences i life are all other things off the top of my head that people could do too. Thats why i dont support the government sanctioning wellfare so very hastily. Not only do i disagree with it on a philosophical level I disagree with it on a pratical level. An individual is capable of so very much with the right education and right socialisation, being unemployed does not mean an individual is useless. On the contrary the indivdual has greater capacity than when they are working because they are not bound by the profit seeking guidance of others. The only way out of this dilemma as i see it is self employment.

[Ostroeuropa]

It irks me because I specifically do this kind of stuff because i'm well aware its immoral to go around not contributing to society when you can.
But what am i supposed to do?
How many employers are going to be fine with me calling up and saying "Yeh, I'm not coming in today because reasons."

I know this, I agree with it as well but to me what does and doesnt contribute are difficult to define terms and i think the individual not the state should decide how they want to contribute. Charity is an excellent way. But the arts, studying society and giving young people fresh expierences i life are all other things off the top of my head that people could do too. Thats why i dont support the government sanctioning wellfare so very hastily. Not only do i disagree with it on a philosophical level I disagree with it on a pratical level. An individual is capable of so very much with the right education and right socialisation, being unemployed does not mean an individual is useless. On the contrary the indivdual has greater capacity than when they are working because they are not bound by the profit seeking guidance of others. The only way out of this dilemma as i see it is self employment.

Agreed, and Beyond that, i'd say being employed doesn't necessarily mean you contribute to society either.

[Val Halla]

There's plenty of methods of employment that contribute nothing to society

Bus guards
Athletes
Politicians

Etc

[Olivaero]

I know this, I agree with it as well but to me what does and doesnt contribute are difficult to define terms and i think the individual not the state should decide how they want to contribute. Charity is an excellent way. But the arts, studying society and giving young people fresh expierences i life are all other things off the top of my head that people could do too. Thats why i dont support the government sanctioning wellfare so very hastily. Not only do i disagree with it on a philosophical level I disagree with it on a pratical level. An individual is capable of so very much with the right education and right socialisation, being unemployed does not mean an individual is useless. On the contrary the indivdual has greater capacity than when they are working because they are not bound by the profit seeking guidance of others. The only way out of this dilemma as i see it is self employment.

Agreed, and Beyond that, i'd say being employed doesn't necessarily mean you contribute to society either.

True.

[Olivaero]

There's plenty of methods of employment that contribute nothing to society

Bus guards
Athletes
Politicians

Etc

Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.

[Val Halla]

There's plenty of methods of employment that contribute nothing to society

Bus guards
Athletes
Politicians

Etc

Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.

Most politicians do fuck all.

[Olivaero]

Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.

Most politicians do fuck all.

Theres a period where they do things usualy whilst their in the HoC but yeah when they move up to the HoL its essentially retirement with perks. But the HoL is a shit idea anyway. The position of MP is a fairly important one though.

[Ostroeuropa]

There's plenty of methods of employment that contribute nothing to society

Bus guards
Athletes
Politicians

Etc

Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.

I've already suggested a sortition system for the second house which would fuck over the government and return power to the people, but I also think the ballot should be required to have a purge option as the peoples stick.

A sort of super none-of-the-above.

If it wins, all the parties in existence are dissolved and their assets seized, and all the candidates on the ballot are banned from running for office for the rest of their lives. The election is then reschedhuled to 3 months down the line.

The point is not to use it, but to be a looming threat to the establishment that would grow in popularity if they continue to be shitheels.

I also think a media reform would go a long way. Make it so companies are only legally allowed to advertise in one news org, maximum. Also, all news outlets owned by the same individuals would be required by law to use the same name.

So the sun and daily mail and such would be legally forced to decide on which name to choose to apply to both, to properly make people aware of opinion.

Finally, ban anyone from owning stock in more than one media company. Those currently doing so can have a grace period to trade stocks with eachother.

(I have 2 murdoch empire stocks and one CNN, you have two in CNN and one in murdoch. We swap our ones.)

[Great Nepal]

Answer is obviously Greater London; its ceremonial status is entirely irrelevant.

[The Archregimancy]

Alright everyone - enough. Apologies for being a killjoy, but this isn't designed to be a shitposting chat thread.

A bit of banter is fine, of course, but if this is going to turn into a chat thread about alcohol and pie intake rather than a discussion thread about UK politics, it will - with regret - likely be locked and shut down.

So please, try and move onto something slightly more substantive. Even discussion about the relative merits of Rutland and Clackmannanshire would be an improvement over the last few pages.

[Rufford]

Alright everyone - enough. Apologies for being a killjoy, but this isn't designed to be a shitposting chat thread.

A bit of banter is fine, of course, but if this is going to turn into a chat thread about alcohol and pie intake rather than a discussion thread about UK politics, it will - with regret - likely be locked and shut down.

So please, try and move onto something slightly more substantive. Even discussion about the relative merits of Rutland and Clackmannanshire would be an improvement over the last few pages.

I've heard that there's some great trout fishing in Rutland, never been there though. I'd put the bridge in Clackmannanshire on a par with the mighty Humber bridge.

[Rufford]

Which thread does this belong in?

[Vassenor]

In the news this week:

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Go-Ahead boss turns down bonus over Southern service disruption

Scottish independence: Sturgeon to gauge referendum support

Green Party to name new leadership team

[The Archregimancy]

Alright everyone - enough. Apologies for being a killjoy, but this isn't designed to be a shitposting chat thread.

A bit of banter is fine, of course, but if this is going to turn into a chat thread about alcohol and pie intake rather than a discussion thread about UK politics, it will - with regret - likely be locked and shut down.

So please, try and move onto something slightly more substantive. Even discussion about the relative merits of Rutland and Clackmannanshire would be an improvement over the last few pages.

I've heard that there's some great trout fishing in Rutland, never been there though. I'd put the bridge in Clackmannanshire on a par with the mighty Humber bridge.

The Clackmannanshire Bridge isn't in Clackmannanshire - it's in Fife.

It's a slightly odd geographic situation. The north approach road is in Clackmannanshire, and the south approach road is in Falkirk, but the actual span of the bridge is in Fife.

The decision of the Scottish Government to adopt Clackmannanshire Council's suggestion to call it the 'Clackmannanshire Bridge' rather than Fife Council's decision to call it the 'Kingdom Bridge' was clearly* shameless pandering on the part of the SNP, and a deliberate snub of the Fife-based Prime Minister of the day and his then-Labour dominated local council.

See, we can even make discussion of the relative merits of Rutland and Clackmannanshire political if we really try.


*tongue slightly in cheek