Questers wrote:Your illegal fetishes definitely constitute dangerous socialism.
it's only illegal for women tbh
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by Souseiseki » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:16 pm
Questers wrote:Your illegal fetishes definitely constitute dangerous socialism.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:17 pm
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:51 pm
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:35 pm
Souseiseki wrote: i'm still lolling over this btw
Get a job!
by Olivaero » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:39 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Souseiseki wrote: i'm still lolling over this btw
(From previous thread, quote edited it in here.)
Yeh, okay, so she's my waifu. We just didn't want anyone dismissing her arguments because of it. Since she moved in we've realized our situation is pretty good.
Wolfmanne;Get a job!
One of us has a part time job. The other is disabled and does charity work when able to do so, ranging from domestic violence, to animal care, to mental health.
As a matter of fact, the government is so fucking shit at fulfilling its supposed obligations on two of these, and basically relies on people like me to do it for them, that they may as well just employ me anyway. It doesn't even fucking bother with the animal care, but I get that, it doesn't pretend to. The other two though? Fuck me, what a trainwreck.
You call it scrounging. I call it collecting my paycheck for shit they're supposed to be doing and failing spectacularly at and then leaving me and others to pick up the pieces. And it's a modest wage.
Don't give me the moral pretensions. When bureaucracies fail, this is the kind of shit that happens.
I'm not saying any more about it.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:49 pm
Olivaero wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
(From previous thread, quote edited it in here.)
Yeh, okay, so she's my waifu. We just didn't want anyone dismissing her arguments because of it. Since she moved in we've realized our situation is pretty good.
Wolfmanne;
One of us has a part time job. The other is disabled and does charity work when able to do so, ranging from domestic violence, to animal care, to mental health.
As a matter of fact, the government is so fucking shit at fulfilling its supposed obligations on two of these, and basically relies on people like me to do it for them, that they may as well just employ me anyway. It doesn't even fucking bother with the animal care, but I get that, it doesn't pretend to. The other two though? Fuck me, what a trainwreck.
You call it scrounging. I call it collecting my paycheck for shit they're supposed to be doing and failing spectacularly at and then leaving me and others to pick up the pieces. And it's a modest wage.
Don't give me the moral pretensions. When bureaucracies fail, this is the kind of shit that happens.
I'm not saying any more about it.
The response was as sweet as I imagined
by Olivaero » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:00 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Olivaero wrote:The response was as sweet as I imagined
It irks me because I specifically do this kind of stuff because i'm well aware its immoral to go around not contributing to society when you can.
But what am i supposed to do?
How many employers are going to be fine with me calling up and saying "Yeh, I'm not coming in today because reasons."
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:03 pm
Olivaero wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
It irks me because I specifically do this kind of stuff because i'm well aware its immoral to go around not contributing to society when you can.
But what am i supposed to do?
How many employers are going to be fine with me calling up and saying "Yeh, I'm not coming in today because reasons."
I know this, I agree with it as well but to me what does and doesnt contribute are difficult to define terms and i think the individual not the state should decide how they want to contribute. Charity is an excellent way. But the arts, studying society and giving young people fresh expierences i life are all other things off the top of my head that people could do too. Thats why i dont support the government sanctioning wellfare so very hastily. Not only do i disagree with it on a philosophical level I disagree with it on a pratical level. An individual is capable of so very much with the right education and right socialisation, being unemployed does not mean an individual is useless. On the contrary the indivdual has greater capacity than when they are working because they are not bound by the profit seeking guidance of others. The only way out of this dilemma as i see it is self employment.
by Olivaero » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:12 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Olivaero wrote:I know this, I agree with it as well but to me what does and doesnt contribute are difficult to define terms and i think the individual not the state should decide how they want to contribute. Charity is an excellent way. But the arts, studying society and giving young people fresh expierences i life are all other things off the top of my head that people could do too. Thats why i dont support the government sanctioning wellfare so very hastily. Not only do i disagree with it on a philosophical level I disagree with it on a pratical level. An individual is capable of so very much with the right education and right socialisation, being unemployed does not mean an individual is useless. On the contrary the indivdual has greater capacity than when they are working because they are not bound by the profit seeking guidance of others. The only way out of this dilemma as i see it is self employment.
Agreed, and Beyond that, i'd say being employed doesn't necessarily mean you contribute to society either.
by Olivaero » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:15 pm
Val Halla wrote:There's plenty of methods of employment that contribute nothing to society
Bus guards
Athletes
Politicians
Etc
by Val Halla » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:22 pm
Olivaero wrote:Val Halla wrote:There's plenty of methods of employment that contribute nothing to society
Bus guards
Athletes
Politicians
Etc
Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.
by Olivaero » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:28 pm
Val Halla wrote:Olivaero wrote:Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.
Most politicians do fuck all.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:29 pm
Olivaero wrote:Val Halla wrote:There's plenty of methods of employment that contribute nothing to society
Bus guards
Athletes
Politicians
Etc
Politicians jobs are required. Even an anarchy would require some form of governance some one to articulate the discourse and even embrace a leadership position when required and when agreed upon. Its just our system of government is poorly put together to select for honesty.
by Great Nepal » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:38 pm
by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:13 am
by Rufford » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:23 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Alright everyone - enough. Apologies for being a killjoy, but this isn't designed to be a shitposting chat thread.
A bit of banter is fine, of course, but if this is going to turn into a chat thread about alcohol and pie intake rather than a discussion thread about UK politics, it will - with regret - likely be locked and shut down.
So please, try and move onto something slightly more substantive. Even discussion about the relative merits of Rutland and Clackmannanshire would be an improvement over the last few pages.
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:31 am
by The Archregimancy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:31 am
Rufford wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:Alright everyone - enough. Apologies for being a killjoy, but this isn't designed to be a shitposting chat thread.
A bit of banter is fine, of course, but if this is going to turn into a chat thread about alcohol and pie intake rather than a discussion thread about UK politics, it will - with regret - likely be locked and shut down.
So please, try and move onto something slightly more substantive. Even discussion about the relative merits of Rutland and Clackmannanshire would be an improvement over the last few pages.
I've heard that there's some great trout fishing in Rutland, never been there though. I'd put the bridge in Clackmannanshire on a par with the mighty Humber bridge.
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