Is "Conversion Therapy" Child Abuse?

[Conserative Morality]

No thank you. I'd rather not have my children subjected to shock therapy and mentally and physically brutalized for no reason.

Suffering builds character.

[The United Remnants of America]

Conversion therapy should be mandatory and free for school aged children. Like healthcare should be.

No thank you. I'd rather not have my children subjected to shock therapy and mentally and physically brutalized for no reason.

"For no reason."

So you're cool with it if it's for a reason?

[Conserative Morality]

"For no reason."

So you're cool with it if it's for a reason?

I mean, if the reason is "Because they decided to join la legion etrangere, I guess I'd have to be okay with my kids being way more hard that I could ever dream of being?

[Salus Maior]

No thank you. I'd rather not have my children subjected to shock therapy and mentally and physically brutalized for no reason.

"For no reason."

So you're cool with it if it's for a reason?

No.

[The United Remnants of America]

"For no reason."

So you're cool with it if it's for a reason?

No.

Okay, just making sure.

You could've just said "No thank you. I'd rather not have my children subjected to shock therapy and mentally and physically brutalized," and stopped at that point.

[Jumalariik]

Conversion therapy does not work at all. However, it is still possible for you change your orientation, that is, if the you will it.

Conversion therapy is just sending electric shocks in someone's brain. It is useless and is abuse.
1 Corinthians 18-27....

And tell me kind sir why anyone would give to shits about what some old book says about sexuality.

I assume you are no longer Christian?

[The V O I D]

The biblical worldview requires that alternative sexualities and transgenders as well as "nonbinary" people and such to be choosing to be such. Otherwise, if it were any other circumstance, this means that God must've created them to automatically send them to Hell. And their "God" isn't a cruel god, of course; he loves everybody and wants them in Heaven. So obviously those alternate sexualities and such are choosing to be such, and if they deny it, they are liars. Obviously.

Regardless, conversion therapy is never and shall never be a valid form of trying to force children to be something they aren't. Actually, there is no valid form of doing that.

If you happen to find out your kid is homosexual, there is nothing you can do to change that. They are homosexual. So just accept it and move on. Everyone will be much happier for it.

[Noraika]

The biblical worldview requires that alternative sexualities and transgenders as well as "nonbinary" people and such to be choosing to be such. Otherwise, if it were any other circumstance, this means that God must've created them to automatically send them to Hell. And their "God" isn't a cruel god, of course; he loves everybody and wants them in Heaven. So obviously those alternate sexualities and such are choosing to be such, and if they deny it, they are liars. Obviously.

Regardless, conversion therapy is never and shall never be a valid form of trying to force children to be something they aren't. Actually, there is no valid form of doing that.

If you happen to find out your kid is homosexual, there is nothing you can do to change that. They are homosexual. So just accept it and move on. Everyone will be much happier for it.

This. Even in the population that has "sincerely-held beliefs" that being homosexual or transgender, or acting on those to improve one's health and positive mental and life outcomes, is wrong needs to love, support, and respect their transgender of LGB+ children, because rejection and non-support, as well as anti-gay treatment, plays right into making their life even harder, and less mentally healthy, and is even correlated with much higher risks of suicide...and that's just with the impact the parents have.

[Blasted Craigs]

For my late to the party opinion, I think yes, conversion therapy is torture, especially when parts of it involve actual torture including starvation and sometimes beatings, Not to mention mental trauma, which leads to deaths of youths involved (Whether from exposure during treatment or suicide later), which I guess for the family it is preferable to have a dead child than a living gay child.
Sources for above claim
http://www.mtv.com/news/2685536/conversion-therapy-killing-lgbt-youth-therapeutic-fraud-prevention-act/
http://www.thesouthafrican.com/sa-teen-dies-brutal-death-after-attending-gay-conversion-camp/
etc....look it up if you want more examples..
Now, I think sexuality should never be forced on an individual on either side of the spectrum, which is why I am also against parents getting hormone therapy to change the sex of their children, or insisting their child wear clothes of the opposite gender in an effort to be "cool" and "Progressive".
http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/child-abuse-parents-dress-up-son-like-a-boy-send-him-to-school-and-demand-favoritism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3551502/Mother-allows-one-twin-boys-four-wear-DRESS-school-believed-girl-just-18-months-old.html
http://bigclosetr.us/topshelf/fiction/31054/dress-punishment
This is also, in my opinion, child abuse.
For heaven's sake, let the kids be fricking kids! Stop worrying about their sexuality, the kid will have enough time to worry over it when they are adults and able to make that decision. Just support your kid as a new adult when the time comes, and if they tell you as a kid, just accept it and move on.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

And tell me kind sir why anyone would give to shits about what some old book says about sexuality.

I assume you are no longer Christian?

I ditched it because I realized I, myself, didn't actually believe anything, but thought it would 'look better' if I did.

[Othelos]

To be fair, the bible never says that being a homosexual person is a sin.

Neither does the Catholic/Orthodox Church. But homosexual acts are still sinful.

Yep. I never denied that.

[Jumalariik]

I assume you are no longer Christian?

I ditched it because I realized I, myself, didn't actually believe anything, but thought it would 'look better' if I did.

I'm sorry. I hope you come back.

[Zubatman]

I ditched it because I realized I, myself, didn't actually believe anything, but thought it would 'look better' if I did.

I'm sorry. I hope you come back.

They're not through yelling at you yet.

[Grenartia]

I ditched it because I realized I, myself, didn't actually believe anything, but thought it would 'look better' if I did.

I'm sorry. I hope you come back.

As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.

If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.

[The Alexanderians]

I'm sorry. I hope you come back.

As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.

If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.

*still cringes at queer*
I would challenge that point. If some of the people that are most likely to change the problems leave (by virtue of them being themselves to change things I mean) then it always be an outside looking in fight.

[Othelos]

I'm sorry. I hope you come back.

As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.

If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.

Fighting homophobia/transphobia inside of a religion is like trying to move all the sand into the ocean...it's easier to just form your own enclave inside of it, which many have done.

And as long as people believe in a God that they believe cares about sexual orientation, there will be people who try to "carry out his will" to "help" people become heterosexual.

[Grenartia]

As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.

If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.

*still cringes at queer*
I would challenge that point. If some of the people that are most likely to change the problems leave (by virtue of them being themselves to change things I mean) then it always be an outside looking in fight.

I totally agree. I wish more people would stay. But I don't think they should stay if they have stopped believing.

[Grenartia]

As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.

If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.

Fighting homophobia/transphobia inside of a religion is like trying to move all the sand into the ocean...it's easier to just form your own enclave inside of it, which many have done.

I'm well aware. In fact, I'm all for queer people and allies going to more inclusive denominations.

[American Imperial State]

Conversion therapy should be mandatory and free for school aged children.

Why?

To protect children

[The V O I D]

Why?

To protect children

Protect them from what? Being gay or bi or alternatively gendered?

Uh, you do realize what conversion therapy is, right? It's worse than electro-shock therapy. Pretty sure I read somewhere some people get PTSD from it.

And in most cases, it doesn't work. And by most I mean all. The cases where it does 'work' and the person says they aren't gay, and they say and do all the "right" things; they are faking in hopes of not being tortured anymore. Y'know, like any other person if they were being tortured.

[The 93rd Coalition]

Yep.

[Socialist Nordia]

Why?

To protect children

"We need to torture gay children into becoming straight!"
"Why?"
"It's for the children! Think of the children!"
What?

[The V O I D]

To protect children

"We need to torture gay children into becoming straight!"
"Why?"
"It's for the children! Think of the children!"
What?

This is the only possible thought process I can see as being even remotely close to valid or logical in the social conservative view...

[Othelos]

Why?

To protect children

From what?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

To protect children

From what?

"Ze Gay"