Salus Maior wrote: No thank you. I'd rather not have my children subjected to shock therapy and mentally and physically brutalized for no reason.
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by Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:18 am
Salus Maior wrote: No thank you. I'd rather not have my children subjected to shock therapy and mentally and physically brutalized for no reason.
by The United Remnants of America » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:18 am
by Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:20 am
by Salus Maior » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:21 am
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by Jumalariik » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:08 am
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Korhal IVV wrote:Conversion therapy does not work at all. However, it is still possible for you change your orientation, that is, if the you will it.
Conversion therapy is just sending electric shocks in someone's brain. It is useless and is abuse.
1 Corinthians 18-27....
And tell me kind sir why anyone would give to shits about what some old book says about sexuality.
by The V O I D » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:36 am
by Noraika » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:00 am
The V O I D wrote:The biblical worldview requires that alternative sexualities and transgenders as well as "nonbinary" people and such to be choosing to be such. Otherwise, if it were any other circumstance, this means that God must've created them to automatically send them to Hell. And their "God" isn't a cruel god, of course; he loves everybody and wants them in Heaven. So obviously those alternate sexualities and such are choosing to be such, and if they deny it, they are liars. Obviously.
Regardless, conversion therapy is never and shall never be a valid form of trying to force children to be something they aren't. Actually, there is no valid form of doing that.
If you happen to find out your kid is homosexual, there is nothing you can do to change that. They are homosexual. So just accept it and move on. Everyone will be much happier for it.
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by Blasted Craigs » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:28 am
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by The Alexanderians » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:01 pm
Grenartia wrote:Jumalariik wrote:I'm sorry. I hope you come back.
As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.
If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.
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by Othelos » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:04 pm
Grenartia wrote:Jumalariik wrote:I'm sorry. I hope you come back.
As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.
If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.
by Grenartia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:05 pm
The Alexanderians wrote:Grenartia wrote:
As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.
If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.
*still cringes at queer*
I would challenge that point. If some of the people that are most likely to change the problems leave (by virtue of them being themselves to change things I mean) then it always be an outside looking in fight.
by Grenartia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:06 pm
Othelos wrote:Grenartia wrote:
As a queer Christian, I honestly cannot blame her for leaving the faith (whether or not her leaving it was informed by so-called "Christian" attitudes towards queer people). And personally, I would rather people who say "I hope you come back" DON'T say it to a queer person unless you are willing to fight the institutionalized homophobia and transphobia that exists within 90% of the religion. Those attitudes are at the root of why 'Conversion Therapy' is horrible, and why it exists in the first place.
If you're not willing to do that, to fight that, then anything else you say is an empty, meaningless platitude designed to absolve you of YOUR guilt.
Fighting homophobia/transphobia inside of a religion is like trying to move all the sand into the ocean...it's easier to just form your own enclave inside of it, which many have done.
by The V O I D » Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:05 am
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