Is "Conversion Therapy" Child Abuse?

[Grenartia]

I don't know what a blackjack is.

Its a short leather strap with a weight in it. Used to be used by police officers as a more compact, though shorter reach, baton, but they've gone the way of the dinosaur in that regard. Now they are pretty much just used by street thugs and people who what a cheap self-defense tool.

Can't I just use one of those wire saw things as a makeshift garrot?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Its a short leather strap with a weight in it. Used to be used by police officers as a more compact, though shorter reach, baton, but they've gone the way of the dinosaur in that regard. Now they are pretty much just used by street thugs and people who what a cheap self-defense tool.

Can't I just use one of those wire saw things as a makeshift garrot?

Yeah, sure. But I'd rather used a suppressed 9mm and a black leather catsuit

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

lack of worship is a victory for Satan therefore he helped Satan making him a worshipper

Stalin never worshipped anyone. Only he was worshipped.
Anyway, genghis has faith, just not in your God. Was he also a worshipper of Satan.

Just a side note, you're not very persuasive. Your arguments don't appeal to anyone outside of the Islamist fringe.

I literally said lack of worship is worship to Satan

[Noraika]

Stalin never worshipped anyone. Only he was worshipped.
Anyway, genghis has faith, just not in your God. Was he also a worshipper of Satan.

Just a side note, you're not very persuasive. Your arguments don't appeal to anyone outside of the Islamist fringe.

I literally said lack of worship is worship to Satan

Whew, thankfully I worship my Gods then.

[The V O I D]

Stalin never worshipped anyone. Only he was worshipped.
Anyway, genghis has faith, just not in your God. Was he also a worshipper of Satan.

Just a side note, you're not very persuasive. Your arguments don't appeal to anyone outside of the Islamist fringe.

I literally said lack of worship is worship to Satan

That is... not even close to being true or relevant. So, are Christians also Satanists? Jews? What about Buddhists?

You're basically saying Islam is the only legitimate religion, and this is false; anyone can worship anything... hence, freedom of religion. Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion, or religious law or religious discrimination.

Conversion therapy is inhumane, to get back onto topic.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION THREAD!

Ghubara, take these discussions about what is and isn't Satan-worship elsewhere, it doesn't belong here. People, stop arguing with him about it. GET BACK ON TOPIC BEFORE MODS COME.

[Socialist Nordia]

Stalin never worshipped anyone. Only he was worshipped.
Anyway, genghis has faith, just not in your God. Was he also a worshipper of Satan.

Just a side note, you're not very persuasive. Your arguments don't appeal to anyone outside of the Islamist fringe.

I literally said lack of worship is worship to Satan

And I said that that's illogical and baseless. You are giving me no fucking reason to be convinced.

[Noraika]

Conversion therapy is inhumane, to get back onto topic.

Of course it is. Its forcibly breaking a person to the point that they regress into a box that person made for them.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I literally said lack of worship is worship to Satan

And I said that that's illogical and baseless. You are giving me no fucking reason to be convinced.

Stop continuing the conversation.

[Grenartia]

Stalin never worshipped anyone. Only he was worshipped.
Anyway, genghis has faith, just not in your God. Was he also a worshipper of Satan.

Just a side note, you're not very persuasive. Your arguments don't appeal to anyone outside of the Islamist fringe.

I literally said lack of worship is worship to Satan

lack of worship is a victory for Satan therefore he helped Satan making him a worshipper

By that logic, you're a worshipper of Satan, because nothing you've said makes me want to worship Allah. Thus, you've helped Satan.

[Grenartia]

THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION THREAD!

Ghubara, take these discussions about what is and isn't Satan-worship elsewhere, it doesn't belong here. People, stop arguing with him about it. GET BACK ON TOPIC BEFORE MODS COME.

Yeah, you're right.

[The United Remnants of America]

Child abuse? Nah. In order for it to be child abuse, there has to be intent to hurt the children. Since the parents thing they're helping, it legally can't be abuse.

Child endangerment and negligence, on the other hand... Those just need shitty parents to stick.

I'm almost tempted to go through conversion therapy just to see what it's like first-hand.

Child endangerment and negligence ARE child abuse.

Personally, if I could, I'd totally volunteer to go into one of those camps, and smuggle the victims out.

They are separate charges.

I agree it's wrong, you just can't charge stupid parents as abusive parents. Mean/abusive and dumb/misguided aren't equal. It's not abusive to send your child into harm's way, it's negligent. But it's abusive to do harm unto your child directly.

[Godular]

Child endangerment and negligence ARE child abuse.

Personally, if I could, I'd totally volunteer to go into one of those camps, and smuggle the victims out.

They are separate charges.

I agree it's wrong, you just can't charge stupid parents as abusive parents. Mean/abusive and dumb/misguided aren't equal. It's not abusive to send your child into harm's way, it's negligent. But it's abusive to do harm unto your child directly.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html

Seems to note that negligence is a form of child abuse. After all, it is the parents that are failing to properly address the needs of their child, placing them into a the care of an individual or group of individuals that does physical and/or emotional harm upon them. This leads to a situation in which the child is harmed by non-accidental means.

Carelessness does not excuse anything.

I can find other sources if asked for. I just found this one after a 2-second google search.

[The United Remnants of America]

They are separate charges.

I agree it's wrong, you just can't charge stupid parents as abusive parents. Mean/abusive and dumb/misguided aren't equal. It's not abusive to send your child into harm's way, it's negligent. But it's abusive to do harm unto your child directly.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html

Seems to note that negligence is a form of child abuse. After all, it is the parents that are failing to properly address the needs of their child, placing them into a the care of an individual or group of individuals that does physical and/or emotional harm upon them. This leads to a situation in which the child is harmed by non-accidental means.

Carelessness does not excuse anything.

I can find other sources if asked for. I just found this one after a 2-second google search.

Huh. Seems my copious notetaking for my legal procedure and criminal law has been rendered useless with a 2-second Google search.

So be it.

The point remains.

[Jumalariik]

Yes.


Sin is sin but no therapy can remove it besides grace.

[Godular]

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html

Seems to note that negligence is a form of child abuse. After all, it is the parents that are failing to properly address the needs of their child, placing them into a the care of an individual or group of individuals that does physical and/or emotional harm upon them. This leads to a situation in which the child is harmed by non-accidental means.

Carelessness does not excuse anything.

I can find other sources if asked for. I just found this one after a 2-second google search.

Huh. Seems my copious notetaking for my legal procedure and criminal law has been rendered useless with a 2-second Google search.

So be it.

The point remains.

No it doesn't. Appeals to authority won't get you anywhere. All you've done is say the equivalent of 'nuh-uh'. All I've done is show you legal fact-checking that says ya done goofed. Ya want to prove me wrong, prove me wrong.

G'wan now.

[The United Remnants of America]

Huh. Seems my copious notetaking for my legal procedure and criminal law has been rendered useless with a 2-second Google search.

So be it.

The point remains.

No it doesn't. Appeals to authority won't get you anywhere. All you've done is say the equivalent of 'nuh-uh'. All I've done is show you legal fact-checking that says ya done goofed. Ya want to prove me wrong, prove me wrong.

G'wan now.

You're saying the point of "conversion therapy is bad" no longer remains?

Well, I'll be.

[Godular]

No it doesn't. Appeals to authority won't get you anywhere. All you've done is say the equivalent of 'nuh-uh'. All I've done is show you legal fact-checking that says ya done goofed. Ya want to prove me wrong, prove me wrong.

G'wan now.

You're saying the point of "conversion therapy is bad" no longer remains?

Well, I'll be.

Oh, I'm terribly sorry, did we deviate back to the prevailing topic over the immediate one without indicating the change?

Whoops.

[The United Remnants of America]

You're saying the point of "conversion therapy is bad" no longer remains?

Well, I'll be.

Oh, I'm terribly sorry, did we deviate back to the prevailing topic over the immediate one without indicating the change?

Whoops.

We did indeed.

No prob.

[Grenartia]

Oh, I'm terribly sorry, did we deviate back to the prevailing topic over the immediate one without indicating the change?

Whoops.

We did indeed.

No prob.

I believe this is the first such instance of that event recorded on NSG.

[Othelos]

Yes.


Sin is sin but no therapy can remove it besides grace.

To be fair, the bible never says that being a homosexual person is a sin.

[Salus Maior]

Yes.


Sin is sin but no therapy can remove it besides grace.

To be fair, the bible never says that being a homosexual person is a sin.

Neither does the Catholic/Orthodox Church. But homosexual acts are still sinful.

[Korhal IVV]

Conversion therapy does not work at all. However, it is still possible for you change your orientation, that is, if the you will it.

Conversion therapy is just sending electric shocks in someone's brain. It is useless and is abuse.

Yes.


Sin is sin but no therapy can remove it besides grace.

To be fair, the bible never says that being a homosexual person is a sin.

1 Corinthians 18-27....

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Conversion therapy does not work at all. However, it is still possible for you change your orientation, that is, if the you will it.

Conversion therapy is just sending electric shocks in someone's brain. It is useless and is abuse.

To be fair, the bible never says that being a homosexual person is a sin.

1 Corinthians 18-27....

And tell me kind sir why anyone would give to shits about what some old book says about sexuality.

[Godular]

Conversion therapy does not work at all. However, it is still possible for you change your orientation, that is, if the you will it.

Conversion therapy is just sending electric shocks in someone's brain. It is useless and is abuse.

To be fair, the bible never says that being a homosexual person is a sin.

1 Corinthians 18-27....

I don't get it... I'm seeing a whole bunch of stuff about how harming one person is harming Christ, love is awesome, and something about foolishness shaming the wise, but nothing about 'homosexuality is bad y'all'.