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by Reploid Productions » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:06 pm
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Belmaria » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:45 pm
Raionitu wrote:So if I understand this right, your thing would not be aimed for tag runs, it would be for finding sleepers and predicting occupations before they happen, correct?
And that would be based on the 'patterns' that raider sleepers usually follow?
Also, what would you do one you detect a suspected raider sleeper, supposing my above assumptions are true?
Reploid Productions wrote:I would encourage the OP to make sure they review the scripting rules and ensure that their tool is in compliance. When in doubt, file a GHR with any questions.
by Severisen » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:14 pm
Belmaria wrote:
Regarding the delay in the API, it's not something we can work around from a technical standpoint. We are working on a browser plugin that allows multiple users to use our engine, which will decrease the effective wait time.
by Belmaria » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:16 pm
Severisen wrote:Belmaria wrote:
Regarding the delay in the API, it's not something we can work around from a technical standpoint. We are working on a browser plugin that allows multiple users to use our engine, which will decrease the effective wait time.
If you mean you'll be using what amounts to distributive computing--having more than one person collect different data to store at a central location so to avoid the API limit--then all I've seen here is enough to know I wouldn't touch your script, and neither should others.
by Lord Ravenclaw » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:21 pm
Belmaria wrote:Severisen wrote:
If you mean you'll be using what amounts to distributive computing--having more than one person collect different data to store at a central location so to avoid the API limit--then all I've seen here is enough to know I wouldn't touch your script, and neither should others.
We have no plans to centrally store any data beyond our database of known raiders, which relies upon voluntary contributions at the moment.
Also, I find it interesting that most of the people throwing shade at our idea are raiders.
by Belmaria » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:26 pm
by Tano » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:03 pm
Govindia: Do you consider me a friend, or just an acquaintance or what?
hobbes: I don't particularly consider anyone a true 'friend'
hobbes: at least,not on NS
Govindia: why is that?
hobbes: because
hobbes: everyone here is a jackass
hobbes: myself included
Pixie: *heart sploosh*
Tano: if your heart is splooshing you should contact a doctor
Tano: hearts are supposed to thump not sploosh
Pixie: No this is normal
Pixie: intense emotion causes me to hemorrage internally
Pixie: my life is like a really depressing comedic episode of The X-Files
Khron: we need an achievment of rem's face just for Tano
Pixie: haha
Pixie: "be Tano"
Brunhilde: My quotes should be in more signatures.
by Atagait Denral » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:08 pm
Belmaria wrote:Although this will make our project easier to reverse engineer, our code will be open source once we release it to the public. That should help dispel any rumours regarding our supposed illegitimacy.
by Republic of Greater Cuba » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:09 pm
Belmaria wrote:Tim-Opolis wrote:Let's cut the bullshit, eh lad? How much experience with R/D do you have, like actual on-field experience. Because this is me, an R/Der of 6.5 years, telling you that this does not look like an effective system. You have in no way demonstrated how it's practically better than using the combination of the activity and reports page, you haven't even demonstrated that this script even exists, you certainly don't have anybody buying its legality until a source code is posted up for analysis, and you most definitely haven't demonstrated any significant amount of R/D experience that should make any defender look at this and conclude "Sure, this looks viable".
Also, watching all of the world's relocations is not even close to a waste of time, and whatever your algorithm is, the only way it could catch all invader nations is if it literally does look at *all* the world's relocations, unless you're just cutting the very basic stuff like moves to GCRs which even then have frequently been invader in the cases of places like Balder and such.
I don't expect people like you to even understand, let alone support, what we're doing here. If something isn't physical, tangible, and two feet in front of your face, you probably wouldn't acknowledge its existence. We understand abstract concepts, obviously far more effectively than you do.
Regarding how our system is more effective, we look for statistical signs of raider activity. We have compiled a partial list of statistics regarding actions which may constitute raider activity, and use those statistics in conjunction with our engine to cut out unnecessary activity from our dossiers.
by Belmaria » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:13 pm
Tano wrote:Do you mind me asking how many people are working on this, because you keep using the plural forms (we, our, etc.)
And of this people, how many of them have any form of experience with R/D. If any do, how much?
See, the reason I ask this is because you said you have no experience with R/D. I hate to say it, but those RMB posts from earlier show it quite plainly. You can try to proclaim that experience doesn't matter but it really does. It is painfully important.
If it's only you working on the project, I have several concerns. Hell, I have concerns even with more than just you working on the project. I was not involved (or active) during Predator scandal but I have still observed the ramifications of it, and am leery of scripts and such.
Still, best of luck to you (and to anyone else working on it, if they indeed exist)
by Belmaria » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:15 pm
Atagait Denral wrote:Belmaria wrote:Although this will make our project easier to reverse engineer, our code will be open source once we release it to the public. That should help dispel any rumours regarding our supposed illegitimacy.
If your code is open source, nobody will have to reverse engineer it. The code is right there to use.
by Tano » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:17 pm
Belmaria wrote:Tano wrote:Do you mind me asking how many people are working on this, because you keep using the plural forms (we, our, etc.)
And of this people, how many of them have any form of experience with R/D. If any do, how much?
See, the reason I ask this is because you said you have no experience with R/D. I hate to say it, but those RMB posts from earlier show it quite plainly. You can try to proclaim that experience doesn't matter but it really does. It is painfully important.
If it's only you working on the project, I have several concerns. Hell, I have concerns even with more than just you working on the project. I was not involved (or active) during Predator scandal but I have still observed the ramifications of it, and am leery of scripts and such.
Still, best of luck to you (and to anyone else working on it, if they indeed exist)
As before, NARIS keeps the identities of our operatives secret. You can check the original THIIS thread to see that this policy dates back to our original incarnation. We are a small group of roughly a half dozen people, although up until this point I have been the only programmer. The others mainly gather information and test the code. We also have Humanint operatives that give us information, but it isn't our main project.
We really don't know the specific details about raiding, but with time, we will be able to observe enough from a distance to know how to predict and stop it.
Govindia: Do you consider me a friend, or just an acquaintance or what?
hobbes: I don't particularly consider anyone a true 'friend'
hobbes: at least,not on NS
Govindia: why is that?
hobbes: because
hobbes: everyone here is a jackass
hobbes: myself included
Pixie: *heart sploosh*
Tano: if your heart is splooshing you should contact a doctor
Tano: hearts are supposed to thump not sploosh
Pixie: No this is normal
Pixie: intense emotion causes me to hemorrage internally
Pixie: my life is like a really depressing comedic episode of The X-Files
Khron: we need an achievment of rem's face just for Tano
Pixie: haha
Pixie: "be Tano"
Brunhilde: My quotes should be in more signatures.
by Raionitu » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:19 pm
Belmaria wrote:We really don't know the specific details about raiding, but with time, we will be able to observe enough from a distance to know how to predict and stop it.
Koth wrote:you guys are cool, like lately ive been watching the overal state of the raider world and been like,"ew", but you guys are very not ew
Reppy wrote:Swearing is just fucking fine on this goddamn fucking forum.
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Lord Dominator wrote:Koth is a drunken alternate personality of yours
by Belmaria » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:22 pm
Raionitu wrote:Belmaria wrote:We really don't know the specific details about raiding, but with time, we will be able to observe enough from a distance to know how to predict and stop it.
I mean, you have a LOT of observing to do if that's the case, because you have referenced letting founders know that there is a threat in their region, which shows your lack of understanding of how R/D works. The presence of a founder pretty much ensures that the region won't be a target. If you don't know that basic piece of R/D, how are you going to understand enough about raider sleeper tactics to make a script to catch them, and not just create hundreds of false alarms?
by Belmaria » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:11 am
Ridersyl wrote:If a program could be coded using non-answers, OP would have it completed by now.
by Reploid Productions » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:48 am
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Tim-Opolis » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:21 am
Reploid Productions wrote:perhaps best exemplified by the public relations disaster that is the situation over in The Mountains to the East.
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by We Are Not the NSA » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:44 am
Tim-Opolis wrote:Reploid Productions wrote:perhaps best exemplified by the public relations disaster that is the situation over in The Mountains to the East.
A quick update on this that I learned during the major update, which kind of summed up my point on the problem with not understanding R/D rather well, is that I logged onto my switcher House Tyrell, ready to defend. Now it seems that aside from the still-ongoing fiasco in TMTE that Belmaria is involved in, he also demonstrated why it's so important to understand R/D. Roughly three days ago, the Grey Wardens and allies deployed on a defense in TMTE against some non-update raiders (who later turned out to be one guy multiing). I hadn't logged onto my switcher since then, and even then I generally don't check my switcher's telegrams. So, when on a whim I checked my TGs, you can imagine my surprise when I see a telegram from Belmaria dated to the night of our defense there calling me an invader, telling me he's spotted me, and saying he'd report me to the natives. I should note that I fly a rather distinctive Grey Warden flag on all my nations, was crossed with a fair bit of other Wardens flying Warden flags, and and that The Grey Wardens with our regular Gameplay updates and consistent update presense are arguably the most high profile defender group at this point in time.
This all being taken into account, I was rather shocked to see this telegram, especially given Belmaria's repeated insistence he understood R/D and therefore one would assume he could tell which jump points and flags are associated with defenders. What faith I still harbored in this project more or less has disappeared with this, particularly given the OP's dismissive remarks to many comments about both their R/D experience as well as the rest of the raised concerns.
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by Belmaria » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:05 pm
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Tim-Opolis wrote:A quick update on this that I learned during the major update, which kind of summed up my point on the problem with not understanding R/D rather well, is that I logged onto my switcher House Tyrell, ready to defend. Now it seems that aside from the still-ongoing fiasco in TMTE that Belmaria is involved in, he also demonstrated why it's so important to understand R/D. Roughly three days ago, the Grey Wardens and allies deployed on a defense in TMTE against some non-update raiders (who later turned out to be one guy multiing). I hadn't logged onto my switcher since then, and even then I generally don't check my switcher's telegrams. So, when on a whim I checked my TGs, you can imagine my surprise when I see a telegram from Belmaria dated to the night of our defense there calling me an invader, telling me he's spotted me, and saying he'd report me to the natives. I should note that I fly a rather distinctive Grey Warden flag on all my nations, was crossed with a fair bit of other Wardens flying Warden flags, and and that The Grey Wardens with our regular Gameplay updates and consistent update presense are arguably the most high profile defender group at this point in time.
This all being taken into account, I was rather shocked to see this telegram, especially given Belmaria's repeated insistence he understood R/D and therefore one would assume he could tell which jump points and flags are associated with defenders. What faith I still harbored in this project more or less has disappeared with this, particularly given the OP's dismissive remarks to many comments about both their R/D experience as well as the rest of the raised concerns.
Not to mention the fact that he barged into the region and set himself up as the delegate, acting as if he is a native. I see an eerie similarity to my own occupation's wfe in there as well ("All residents that join the WA are required to endorse the WA delegate, The Republic of Chappleberg.") What he is doing pretty much breaks all the rules of the defender code (which is admittedly something that I made up, but I'm sure there is a thing like it).
by Tim-Opolis » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:30 pm
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Belmaria » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:38 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:And I'll state what I've already stated multiple times, build some basic R/D knowledge instead of continuing to deflect by basically telling us you don't actually have a working script.
Hell, it takes a 2 minute glance through the GP forum to learn who the main defender and invader groups are, what their flags are, and what their jump point are.
Also I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on Reppy's post.
As for TMTE, you're not a native, and you're certainly in no standing to be establishing provisional governments there and such. What you're doing is establishing a non-native regime and I imagine you'll be seeing us soon.
by Tano » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:46 pm
Belmaria wrote:Tim-Opolis wrote:And I'll state what I've already stated multiple times, build some basic R/D knowledge instead of continuing to deflect by basically telling us you don't actually have a working script.
Hell, it takes a 2 minute glance through the GP forum to learn who the main defender and invader groups are, what their flags are, and what their jump point are.
Also I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on Reppy's post.
As for TMTE, you're not a native, and you're certainly in no standing to be establishing provisional governments there and such. What you're doing is establishing a non-native regime and I imagine you'll be seeing us soon.
Oh for fuck's sake. I was told not to get into gameplay again. I should have listened. You people can continue to use your manual detection systems if you don't want to be brought into the 21st century.
Your collective hatred and distrust of technology makes me sick.
Also I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on Reppy's post.
Govindia: Do you consider me a friend, or just an acquaintance or what?
hobbes: I don't particularly consider anyone a true 'friend'
hobbes: at least,not on NS
Govindia: why is that?
hobbes: because
hobbes: everyone here is a jackass
hobbes: myself included
Pixie: *heart sploosh*
Tano: if your heart is splooshing you should contact a doctor
Tano: hearts are supposed to thump not sploosh
Pixie: No this is normal
Pixie: intense emotion causes me to hemorrage internally
Pixie: my life is like a really depressing comedic episode of The X-Files
Khron: we need an achievment of rem's face just for Tano
Pixie: haha
Pixie: "be Tano"
Brunhilde: My quotes should be in more signatures.
by Reploid Productions » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:41 pm
Belmaria wrote:Oh for fuck's sake. I was told not to get into gameplay again. I should have listened. You people can continue to use your manual detection systems if youdon't want to be brought into the 21st centurydon't want to trust unproven and unsubstantiated tools.
Your collectivehatred and distrust of technologyskepticism based on the complete lack of evidence available makes me sick.
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
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