ADR 20XX - Region update time calculation tool.

by **Zacherie** » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:48 pm

Aurum Rider wrote:The year is 20xx, everyone has access to a raiding tool that can give them update times accurate within 10 seconds, so waiting an update to raid your enemy's raid is now the only viable strategy. The R/D metagame is now completely based on pouring money into stamps and trying to convince people to endorse you instead of the other faction.

20XX is a legal update tool tool that allows for estimation of a region's update time during the update period of the game. 20XX is open source, and written in C#. Currently it only runs on Windows (As I do not own a mac, or the tools to build it for mac).

It does this by multiplying how many nations update before the region by the amount of time it takes a nation to update. For added accuracy, it calculates the variance the game adds.

When Estimated Update times hits, 20XX will shift to become an advanced region search tool.

Planned Features

Region search functions

by **Imperium Anglorum** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:37 am

You're writing it entirely in C#? Does that not mean that it can only be used on Windows?

I take a neutral stance on all gameplay and WA affairs, but as a developer on Linux and OSX, I must speak out in favour of interoperability. Java is open for all platforms, as is C++ (though you would have to compile from source and that is annoying), Python, Ruby, etc. One of them would be a better language to run on!

Oh, and I guess for raiders, writing it in a more platform-independent language would mean you can get raiders on Linux and OSX.

member · by **Eluvatar** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:02 am

It might be possible to run it with mono on other platforms.

by **Imperium Anglorum** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:19 am

Eluvatar wrote:It might be possible to run it with mono on other platforms.

Well, then I would recommend to the author that he include support for mono, given that in its current form, it is not usable by non Windows users. Naturally, I have no intention of running it... (being neutral and all) but as a developer, I think its very important to have a strong commitment to cross-platform support.

member · by **Eluvatar** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:34 am

FWIW I've not actually gotten Trawler working on Windows (yet).

Edit: Nor Mac OS X, technically, but that'd probably be easier to accomplish.

by **Zacherie** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:23 am

I'm developing this as a hobby. Until someone who actually intends to use it asks me to work on cross platform support it will remain C# because it is a language I am comfortable with.

by **Imperium Anglorum** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:28 am

Eluvatar wrote:FWIW I've not actually gotten Trawler working on Windows (yet).

Edit: Nor Mac OS X, technically, but that'd probably be easier to accomplish.

Zacherie wrote:I'm developing this as a hobby. Until someone who actually intends to use it asks me to work on cross platform support it will remain C# because it is a language I am comfortable with.

I'm a Java developer primarily due to the fact that being so allows for cross-platform compatibility that most people can use. Also seems like I'm the only one, except the DEAT-ed Affordess.

member · by **Eluvatar** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:31 am

I can and do do java, I just don't like it very much.

by **Zacherie** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:12 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:I'm a Java developer primarily due to the fact that being so allows for cross-platform compatibility that most people can use. Also seems like I'm the only one, except the DEAT-ed Affordess.

It's public open-source. If it bothers you enough, you can fork it into java, or submit a ticket. I can program cross-platform, I just saw no reason to go that extra mile when the only people using the tool use windows.

by **Natapoc** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:07 pm

Zacherie wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:I'm a Java developer primarily due to the fact that being so allows for cross-platform compatibility that most people can use. Also seems like I'm the only one, except the DEAT-ed Affordess.

It's public open-source. If it bothers you enough, you can fork it into java, or submit a ticket. I can program cross-platform, I just saw no reason to go that extra mile when the only people using the tool use windows.

Your code is clearly written and I suspect that it would not take more than an hour or two for any Java Dev to port it to Java if they really wanted it in Java.

It will be interesting to see if your release of this code results in your "dystopian" future for R/D as you predicted in the gameplay thread.

I can also write Java but have no desire to port Zacherie's code either.

by **Zacherie** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:15 pm

Natapoc wrote:It will be interesting to see if your release of this code results in your "dystopian" future for R/D as you predicted in the gameplay thread.

I'd love that, but I doubt people trust scripts to the point of making it into a reality.

by **Zacherie** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:05 pm

I've put up an experimental build to see if the EST fix I made worked. I would appreciate if someone got back to me after the Minor update tomorrow.

Edit:
Gtk is garbage, nevermind.

by **Tom Vasentius HYDRA** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:17 pm

I just wanted to say that this is a very good tool and I've quite enjoyed triggering with it

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:13 pm

For the record, this has been independently tested on the user end with wireshark to confirm that it meets NS rate limits (Not an NS mod/admin test). The has also been peer reviewed.

by **Zacherie** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:16 pm

ADR-20XX release 1.2.3
A handy bugfix. Starting the tool before the update should no longer cause issues.

https://github.com/doomjaw/ADR-20XX/releases/tag/1.2.3

A starfox themed version is now available as well.

EDIT:
https://github.com/doomjaw/ADR-20XX/releases/tag/1.2.4

Starfox theme is now cannon. 20XX generates a JSON file with every non-passworded region. A regionfinder may be in the future, but don't count on it.

by **Zacherie** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:35 pm

I've noticed recently that 20XX is gradually becoming less and less accurate. The first time I noticed this was when CTEs were moved to the beginning of regions. It went from being accurate within 5 seconds, to being accurate maybe within 10 on a good day. Gradually, it has been getting more and more inaccurate, to the point that now during an update, times for regions estimated to update in two minutes, now can update a full five minutes later than estimated. Today, I saw a region's time drop from 1h6m47s, down to 37m25s, and I decided that 20XX's main functions had basically been nerfed to the point of redundancy.

With things being as they are, developing 20XX as a variance calculator is no longer rewarding, or fun. No matter what change I make to the tool, it can't get more accurate, and if I find a way to do it, I'm betting that a day later something will change making it even more wildly inaccurate. My point is made though. Before the site's changes made 20XX wildly inaccurate, we saw groups like Hydra command, and my own RLA taking regions with extremely tight triggers that defenders could not do anything about. This tool is my response to everyone who says predator is the only reason that raiding was prolific.

20XX will not be getting any updates.

by **Revall** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:34 pm

Well Aurum it was a great tool and I for one thank you for making it legal, publicly available, easy to use, open source and accurate to a very reasonable degree.

Considering those pros I do wish your great work on behalf of raiders and really gameplay at large wasn't mitigated this way, especially because before this all tools were jealously guarded secrets and how transparent this entire project was from start to finish. I'm not going to lie its a little discouraging for a raider like myself who was just getting good with it but raiders are resourceful and we will prove it on field.

by **Jakker Loves Rawr** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:35 pm

Hail Aurum. You did a great service and I thank you greatly o7

ADR 20XX - Region update time calculation tool.

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