by New Axiom » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:09 pm
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.
by Annorax » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:14 pm
New Axiom wrote:I just received an email today from Vice President Joe Biden calling for the banning of AR-15s and similar weapons from civilian ownership. I completely disagree with this. I myself own an MP-15, and use it for target shooting every other weekend. I use it as a sporting weapon, not a weapon of murder. I agree that we should force the employment of background checks on all purchasers purchasing ANY weapon, but banning a certain type of weapon is just plain stupid. I can also agree that it is unconstitutional and violates the second amendment. Sure, we'll still have the right to bear arms such as bolt action rifles, if they ban ARs. But, no where does it say that civilians have the right to NOT a own assault weapons, let alone does the government have the right to take them away. Additionally, if they ban assault weapons, criminals will just use another weapons, and slowly the government will ban every firearm ever. Sure, people use assault weapons for mass shootings, but statistically I'd bet that most gun violence is linked to handguns becuase they are easier to carry and hide.
In a nutshell, I agree with the call for enforced background checks on all weapon purchasers, but banning weapons is just stupid.
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:15 pm
by Conserative Morality » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:16 pm
by The balkens » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:16 pm
by The balkens » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:16 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Aye, I agree. 'Assault' weapons don't really have a lot of features that facilitate the kind of gun violence you see in the US. If anything, the features they have make it harder. Handguns are where we should be focusing on.
by Ifreann » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:17 pm
Annorax wrote:New Axiom wrote:I just received an email today from Vice President Joe Biden calling for the banning of AR-15s and similar weapons from civilian ownership. I completely disagree with this. I myself own an MP-15, and use it for target shooting every other weekend. I use it as a sporting weapon, not a weapon of murder. I agree that we should force the employment of background checks on all purchasers purchasing ANY weapon, but banning a certain type of weapon is just plain stupid. I can also agree that it is unconstitutional and violates the second amendment. Sure, we'll still have the right to bear arms such as bolt action rifles, if they ban ARs. But, no where does it say that civilians have the right to NOT a own assault weapons, let alone does the government have the right to take them away. Additionally, if they ban assault weapons, criminals will just use another weapons, and slowly the government will ban every firearm ever. Sure, people use assault weapons for mass shootings, but statistically I'd bet that most gun violence is linked to handguns becuase they are easier to carry and hide.
In a nutshell, I agree with the call for enforced background checks on all weapon purchasers, but banning weapons is just stupid.
MOLAN LABE
Most gun violence is with hand guns and most of that from the poor inner cities, if they really cared about gun violence they would start there.
by Conserative Morality » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:17 pm
The balkens wrote:no.
by The balkens » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:19 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:19 pm
by The balkens » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:20 pm
by New Axiom » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:22 pm
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.
by Kernen » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:22 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:22 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:23 pm
New Axiom wrote:Christ people, stay on topic.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:23 pm
It takes 18-24 months for the United States to vet and verify the intentions of people seeking refugee status in the United States.
FBI Director James Comey has admitted that even with the 18-24 month timeframe, it is impossible for the United States to fully vet Syrian refugees because the quality of the background check is only as good as the databases they can pull information from.
ISIS is said to possess Syrian passport printing equipment as well as passport blanks, providing the terror group the ability to give their fighters new identities to sneak into the west. Even if our intelligence agencies are able to access Syrian databases - unlikely since Syria is a failed state - there is no guarantee that a refugee is who they say they are.
Even if it is determined that a refugee applicant supported ISIS, the Obama administration has enacted regulations to allow people who provide "limited material support" to a terror organization to gain entry into the US anyway. Previously, any proof of supporting terrorism was an immediate disqualifier
Barack Obama has taken a process that takes 18-24 months, which experts say still isn't enough time to fully vet refugee applications, and reduced the entire process to just 3 months.
24 months -> 3 months = 87.5% reduction
Barack Obama has declared that it is too easy to buy a gun in the United States of America.
Under federal law, it is illegal for someone to purchase or possess firearms if (1) they are convicted of a felony or imprisoned for a term exceeding one year; (2) they are convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence; (3) they are a fugitive from justice; (4) they are unlawfully addicted to illegal drugs; (5) they have been adjudicated as mentally defective or involuntarily committed to a mental hospital; (6) they have been dishonorably discharged from the US military; (7) they have renounced their US citizenship; (8) they are an illegal alien; or (9) they are the subject of a restraining order.
The standard for deciding which Americans are allowed to have guns is higher than the standard Barack Obama and Clinton used to decide which Syrian rebels could have guns (spoiler: they gave guns to ISIS)
by Vassenor » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:23 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Well? How many mass killings has Australia had since Port Arthur?
by Conserative Morality » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:23 pm
Kernen wrote:The reasons that a handgun is such a lethal tool in the hands of a criminal are the same reasons that a handgun is such a valuable tool in the hands of a law abiding citizen looking to protect themselves. Even if additional layers of safety requirements were placed on handguns, they wouldn't be banned.
I've always believed that the problem of gun violence in the US stems not from a lack of regulation but a lack of enforcement on existing regulation. Straw purchases are still absurdly easy to set up.
by The balkens » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:23 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Well? How many mass killings has Australia had since Port Arthur?
by Xadufell » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:24 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:Why would anyone waste a good bullet on the likes of CNN anyway? I don't understand why anyone would get that worked up over a bunch of dipshits, christ if their shit show is getting you that worked up, just turn the damn thing off and go for a walk/run/ride.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:24 pm
by Ralkovian Grand Island » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:24 pm
Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.
by The East Marches » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:25 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Aye, I agree. 'Assault' weapons don't really have a lot of features that facilitate the kind of gun violence you see in the US. If anything, the features they have make it harder. Handguns are where we should be focusing on.
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