Free speech? Student faces expulsion on eve of graduation

[MERIZoC]

Well why the fuck not?

Why not to go into locked administrative offices ? Well they tend to be locked for a reason mostly to do with student privacy. What happened if an admin was reviewing a sexual assault allegation and had some notes out on her desk ? Would you like your daughter's name leaked after the most horrific event in her life because the student body president thought this message justified breaking the rules.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that didnt happen though. Like at least 75% sure.

[Greed and Death]

Good.

School is a place to learn, not a place to protest.

First and foremost it is a place to learn, yes. But it is also so much more. A place to grow. A place to discuss and engage. And those include protesting and speaking up for what's right.

Breaking and entering is not whats right, and your students needs to learn that before being allowed to graduate.

[Greed and Death]

Why not to go into locked administrative offices ? Well they tend to be locked for a reason mostly to do with student privacy. What happened if an admin was reviewing a sexual assault allegation and had some notes out on her desk ? Would you like your daughter's name leaked after the most horrific event in her life because the student body president thought this message justified breaking the rules.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that didnt happen though. Like at least 75% sure.

But they are in trouble for creating the risk of leaked private information.

[Infected Mushroom]

Good.

School is a place to learn, not a place to protest.

First and foremost it is a place to learn, yes. But it is also so much more. A place to grow. A place to discuss and engage. And those include protesting and speaking up for what's right.

No, protesting is a form of trouble-making; it is behaviour that is good to discourage

I stand behind the administration on this one

being a few days away from graduation does not make you immune to punishment if you authorize and encourage bad behaviour

[United Dependencies]

Oh no, some people missed their meetings. Quelle horreur! Muh civility!

Should I be allowed to bring large crowds of people to your place of work unannounced whenever I want for as long as we want for the purpose of blocking up the hallways and otherwise stopping your normal conduct of business?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Good.

School is a place to learn, not a place to protest.

First and foremost it is a place to learn, yes. But it is also so much more. A place to grow. A place to discuss and engage. And those include protesting and speaking up for what's right.

If by 'protest' you mean get laughed out of the room, then sure.

College kids have forgotten how to protest effectively, which generally involves baseball bats, improvised gas-masks, and a little lighthearted arson.

[The balkens]

First and foremost it is a place to learn, yes. But it is also so much more. A place to grow. A place to discuss and engage. And those include protesting and speaking up for what's right.

If by 'protest' you mean get laughed out of the room, then sure.

College kids have forgotten how to protest effectively, which generally involves baseball bats, improvised gas-masks, and a little lighthearted arson.

Is...is that Paint?

[Jinwoy]

He failed in his duty as class President to not abuse his powers, which he did by letting students in to occupy a space.

That's barely an abuse of power...

[Atlanticatia]

Oh no, some people missed their meetings. Quelle horreur! Muh civility!

Should I be allowed to bring large crowds of people to your place of work unannounced whenever I want for as long as we want for the purpose of blocking up the hallways and otherwise stopping your normal conduct of business?

If workers in your workplace wanted to occupy the building or something as part of a strike, then sure.

It wasn't just a random building. They were students, occupying a university administrative building, not some random office building completely unrelated to their protest.

[United Dependencies]

He failed in his duty as class President to not abuse his powers, which he did by letting students in to occupy a space.

That's barely an abuse of power...

Letting people in, unauthorized, to a building that houses confidential files counts as barely an abuse of power?

[Infected Mushroom]

Should I be allowed to bring large crowds of people to your place of work unannounced whenever I want for as long as we want for the purpose of blocking up the hallways and otherwise stopping your normal conduct of business?

If workers in your workplace wanted to occupy the building or something as part of a strike, then sure.

It wasn't just a random building. They were students, occupying a university administrative building, not some random office building completely unrelated to their protest.

strikes shouldn't be allowed either, because they are fundamentally a form of breach of Contract

as for protests... school is a place to absorb information, prepare for your career, and learn... its not a place to stir up trouble, inconvenience others, and abuse ''freedom of speech''

[Jinwoy]

That's barely an abuse of power...

Letting people in, unauthorized, to a building that houses confidential files counts as barely an abuse of power?

There's no self gain. In this case, you'd be better off saying that it was negligence and even that is shady.

[Noraika]

"On the day of the sit-in, Mr. Kissinger got past security by saying he was on official business as student body president. He hid in a bathroom for a few minutes, he recalled, then used his backpack to prop open a door to let everyone else in."

In other words it isn't a matter that he "let" a protest happen. Its a matter that he directly facilitated the protest. As a student official, and president no less, what was done was an unnecessary violation of duty and procedure, as well as being fundamentally irresponsible. The school is likely fulfilling its duties to apply disciplinary procedures, for likewise violations of protocol, in accordance with his contract. Unfortunate, yes, but he should have considered this before hand.

[Greed and Death]

Letting people in, unauthorized, to a building that houses confidential files counts as barely an abuse of power?

There's no self gain. In this case, you'd be better off saying that it was negligence and even that is shady.

He negligently let them into the building ? No he intentionally let them.

[Sciongrad]

If it was to let people in to steal things or destroy the building, then sure.

But does this really justify expulsion?

Helping others commit a crime, putting student records in jeopardy. His 4 years should be for nothing and he should look forward to a career as a custodial professional for this.

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse or just doing a horrible job at satire, but condemning a person to poverty for the rest of his life because he helped stage a protest is a wildly disproportionate punishment at best and illegal at worst.

[Boogeyman]

First and foremost it is a place to learn, yes. But it is also so much more. A place to grow. A place to discuss and engage. And those include protesting and speaking up for what's right.

No, protesting is a form of trouble-making; it is behaviour that is good to discourage

I stand behind the administration on this one

being a few days away from graduation does not make you immune to punishment if you authorize and encourage bad behaviour

How is protesting, and standing up for what you believe in wrong? Being in High School at the moment, myself has taught me that what I believe should not just be stomped out by the administration of the school. Breaking and Entering is a crime, and should be punished, however, protesting is protected by the first amendment, and frankly, should be commended anymore, in our lazy culture.

[Jinwoy]

There's no self gain. In this case, you'd be better off saying that it was negligence and even that is shady.

He negligently let them into the building ? No he intentionally let them.

He neglected his responsibility for the student body('s privacy) by letting them in.
Oh gd, do you ever stop twisting words?

[Greed and Death]

Helping others commit a crime, putting student records in jeopardy. His 4 years should be for nothing and he should look forward to a career as a custodial professional for this.

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse or just doing a horrible job at satire, but condemning a person to poverty for the rest of his life because he helped stage a protest is a wildly disproportionate punishment at best and illegal at worst.

The university of Chicago is perfectly within its right to mark up his records in such a way no college will admit him, and no employer will hire him.

[Geilinor]

Remember kids, only protest when and where the adults tell you to. You get plenty of leverage by not bothering them in the slightest. That's free speech!

University students are adults.

[MERIZoC]

First and foremost it is a place to learn, yes. But it is also so much more. A place to grow. A place to discuss and engage. And those include protesting and speaking up for what's right.

No, protesting is a form of trouble-making; it is behaviour that is good to discourage

I stand behind the administration on this one

being a few days away from graduation does not make you immune to punishment if you authorize and encourage bad behaviour

Well you also think that we should ban dogs and loud children, so I mean I think I'll just let the rest of the thread decide on whether or not you make good points.

[The balkens]

Remember kids, only protest when and where the adults tell you to. You get plenty of leverage by not bothering them in the slightest. That's free speech!

University students are adults.

*shhhhhhhh

they dont know that.

[Greed and Death]

He negligently let them into the building ? No he intentionally let them.

He neglected his responsibility for the student body('s privacy) by letting them in.
Oh gd, do you ever stop twisting words?

This was not neglect, neglect is failing to perform a duty, in this case he actively engaged in malfeasance of office.

[MERIZoC]

If workers in your workplace wanted to occupy the building or something as part of a strike, then sure.

It wasn't just a random building. They were students, occupying a university administrative building, not some random office building completely unrelated to their protest.

strikes shouldn't be allowed either, because they are fundamentally a form of breach of Contract

as for protests... school is a place to absorb information, prepare for your career, and learn... its not a place to stir up trouble, inconvenience others, and abuse ''freedom of speech''

I refuse to believe that you are in law school, or indeed any sort of university.

[MERIZoC]

Remember kids, only protest when and where the adults tell you to. You get plenty of leverage by not bothering them in the slightest. That's free speech!

University students are adults.

Oh my god please tell me you've never heard of hyperbole and comedic exaggeration.

[United Dependencies]

If workers in your workplace wanted to occupy the building or something as part of a strike, then sure.

It wasn't just a random building. They were students, occupying a university administrative building, not some random office building completely unrelated to their protest.

The students are not employed by the university, so I would say that their relationship is not the same as what you posit.

I'll try a different analogy:

If the public is upset with the outcome of a certain court case, is it ok for them to show up to protest inside the building in such numbers as to slow or prevent the court from conducting its business? Do they have the right to do that unannounced? Whenever they should choose?