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[DRAFT] International Radio Act

Postby Linux and the X » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:10 pm

Hrm, looks like no one got around to replacing this.

RECOGNISING that radio signals cannot be made to respect national boundaries;

BELIEVING that international legislation is needed to ensure that radio systems will not cause international interference; and

REALISING that standardisation of radio devices will promote international trade of the same;

THE WORLD ASSEMBLY

DEFINES radio, for purposes of this resolution, as radiated electromagnetic energy with a frequency of 3 kHz – 300 GHz;

ALLOWS unrestricted use of any radio power and frequency necessary for communications to immediately protect life or property in situations in which normal forms of communication are unavailable or ineffective;

ALLOWS unlicensed use of low-power radio devices, so long as such use does not interfere with other uses, but allows such devices to be subject to inspection at the point of manufacture by or on behalf of the jurisdiction's regulatory agency;

REQUIRES that radio services include amateur, broadcast, experimental, personal communications, business communications, life and safety communications, radiolocation, governmental and military communications, and aerocraft, spacecraft, and watercraft communications;

CLARIFIES that member States without a military, aerocraft, or spacecraft need not create radio services for those purposes;

ESTABLISHES the International Radiocommunications Commission to set more detailed standards, including specific services, frequency allocations (including specific frequencies for emergency calls), and requirements for for licensure or certification;

FORBIDS the International Radiocommunications Commission from setting content standards, or station ownership standards beyond those clearly implied by the intended purpose of a service;

CLARIFIES that the standards set by the International Radiocommunications Commission must be followed by all member nations; but

PERMITS nations to create additional radio services in spectrum not used under International Radiocommunications Commission standards.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:38 pm

Linux and the X wrote:RECOGNISING that radio signals cannot be made to respect national boundaries;

"Why not?"
BELIEVING that international legislation is needed to ensure that radio systems will not cause international interference;

"Not really."
REALISING that standardisation of radio devices will promote international trade of the same;

"How does 'standardized radio' promote free trade?"
DEFINES radio, for purposes of this resolution, as radiated electromagnetic energy with a frequency of 3 kHz – 300 GHz;

Ogenbond squint at the draft. "Ambassador, do you need medical attention? It appears you are typing gibberish. I haven't the foggiest idea what '3 kHz - 300 GHz' means."
ALLOWS unrestricted use of any radio power and frequency necessary for communications that immediately life or property in situations in which normal forms of communication are unavailable or ineffective;

"This clause makes no sense either. 'Life' and 'property' are not nounsverbs."
REQUIRES that radio services include amateur, broadcast, experimental, personal communications, business communications, life and safety communications, radiolocation, governmental and military communications, and aerocraft, spacecraft, and watercraft communications;

"As this is written, it requires all radio transmissions to include all of these kinds of broadcasts. This is a ludicrous and impossible requirement."
ESTABLISHES the International Radiocommunications Commission to set more detailed standards, including specific services and frequency allocations (including specific frequencies for emergency calls);

"Absolutely not. We will not have committees legislating without oversight or control."
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Postby Sciongrad » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:41 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:RECOGNISING that radio signals cannot be made to respect national boundaries;

"Why not?"

"No opinion on the rest of the proposal just yet, but I imagine radio signals cannot be made to respect national boundaries because that defies science. How would a nation be able to stop radio signals at their national borders?"

"'Life' and 'property' are not nouns."

"Actually, they are. The clause is missing a verb."

:p
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Postby The Imperium Empires » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:42 pm

I'm sorry like the ANs thoughts it doesn't work.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:44 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Why not?"

"No opinion on the rest of the proposal just yet, but I imagine radio signals cannot be made to respect national boundaries because that defies science. How would a nation be able to stop radio signals at their national borders?"

"Transmit signals from areas within one's own borders, with a radius of effective transmission that does not cross into foreign or international territory. I am in no way suggesting that an effort to artificially obstruct such signals from their natural transmission is feasible."
"'Life' and 'property' are not nouns."

"Actually, they are. The clause is missing a verb."

:p

OOC: I must be more tired than I thought. Well, good night then.
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Postby Tinfect » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:16 am

Linux and the X wrote:Hrm, looks like no one got around to replacing this.


"For good reason."

Linux and the X wrote:RECOGNISING that radio signals cannot be made to respect national boundaries;


"The Imperium finds it doubtful that any primitive radio signals broadcast in the Imperium would be comprehensible, or perhaps even detectable, between many Imperial colonies, much less past the Subspace Barrier, and the Exterior Territories."

Linux and the X wrote:BELIEVING that international legislation is needed to ensure that radio systems will not cause international interference;


"Hardly. If nations are near enough together that such primitive broadcasts cause interference with one another, they can easily work something out between themselves. The Imperium does not believe that such 'one-size-fits-all' legislation is appropriate."

Linux and the X wrote:REALISING that standardisation of radio devices will promote international trade of the same;


"Is this an attempt to fit this into the 'Free Trade' category? It is quite weak, you would be best served attempting to find a more... realistic, category to place this in."

Linux and the X wrote:ALLOWS unrestricted use of any radio power and frequency necessary for communications that immediately life or property in situations in which normal forms of communication are unavailable or ineffective;


"This clause is incomprehensible."

Linux and the X wrote:REQUIRES that radio services include amateur, broadcast, experimental, personal communications, business communications, life and safety communications, radiolocation, governmental and military communications, and aerocraft, spacecraft, and watercraft communications;


"The Imperium sees no reason to return to such basic technology for communication when superior alternatives exist. Surely you do not intend for us to replace Hyperpulse Arrays with radio transmitters? Such a thing would be the death of the Imperium, and the total collapse of our Government and Military as communication would be completely impossible. Further, such primitive techniques are easily intercepted, allowing critical Government and Military information to fall to hostile forces."

Linux and the X wrote:CLARIFIES that the standards set by the International Radiocommunications Commission must be followed by all member nations; but


"The Imperium sees no reason that we, countless light-years away from other Member States, should be forced abide by communication laws intended to ease the burden of those states within throwing distance eachother.

Needless to say, the Imperium is opposed to this incredibly asinine draft, and any further iterations upon it. We recommend that it be left in an incinerator at the earliest available opportunity."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:04 am

Wallenburg wrote:"Transmit signals from areas within one's own borders, with a radius of effective transmission that does not cross into foreign or international territory. I am in no way suggesting that an effort to artificially obstruct such signals from their natural transmission is feasible."


"A radius of effective transmission would still exceed boundaries on smaller or narrow and long states. Your plan would either leave our segments of a population not is a perfect circle, or would cripple states that are not as wide as they are deep."
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:31 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Transmit signals from areas within one's own borders, with a radius of effective transmission that does not cross into foreign or international territory. I am in no way suggesting that an effort to artificially obstruct such signals from their natural transmission is feasible."

"A radius of effective transmission would still exceed boundaries on smaller or narrow and long states. Your plan would either leave our segments of a population not is a perfect circle, or would cripple states that are not as wide as they are deep."

"Hmm. Very good point, Ambassador, although Wallenburg is certainly 'wider' than she is 'deep'. I can see how very small states could experience issues regarding border overflow even with a single substantial radio transmitter."
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Postby Westercourt » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:36 pm

Linux and the X wrote:BELIEVING that international legislation is needed to ensure that radio systems will not cause international interference;
If radio spillover is a problem between two nations that are that close to each other, they can work it out locally. We firmly disbelieve and refute the claim that most or even many of the nations in the WA have such a problem. We further note that there have been no major problems regarding radio spillover in the international community and express our disbelief that such a trivial issue would lead to any major problems. This proposal appears to be trying to solve a problem that does not exist, or at the least, does not exist to nearly one-quarter the extent that would require international legislation.

REALISING that standardisation of radio devices will promote international trade of the same;
We don't see how this helps international trade at all.

REQUIRES that radio services include amateur, broadcast, experimental, personal communications, business communications, life and safety communications, radiolocation, governmental and military communications, and aerocraft, spacecraft, and watercraft communications;
Wait, Ambassador, are you actually suggesting that the World Assembly require governments to host radio communication services? Westercourt hasn't used radio for decades. Westercourt's trying to run a planet, Ambassador. Radio communication is far past us. And, as the ambassador to the Imperium has noted, radio communication is easily interceptable and analogue methods of encryption are weak. And would you also have our hospitals run on radio? There is no need, Ambassador, for Westercourtial hospitals to have radio. The speed at which hospitals around Xeon can communicate and transport has saved countless lives. The clause also points out radio communication for spacecraft. That, quite frankly, is ridiculous.

ESTABLISHES the International Radiocommunications Commission to set more detailed standards, including specific services and frequency allocations (including specific frequencies for emergency calls);
CLARIFIES that the standards set by the International Radiocommunications Commission must be followed by all member nations;
This is an unnecessary burden on many nations in the WA, including Westercourt. Westercourt is located on a different planet in a different system than other WA nations. Why does Westercourtial radio need to not only be reestablished, but also conform to standards intended for nations far, far from the Celerian system?

Westercourt firmly opposes this proposal and any proposal in the same vein as it. The proposal attempts to solve a problem that isn't actually a problem and places an unnecessary burden on WA nations that have their own well-established radio systems and those that have abandoned it entirely in the favour of superior solutions.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:44 am

I did got around trying to replace this, and it got voted down.

I do believe the common sentiment then, and now, is that International Radio Act or its derivatives are not needed on the books of the General Assembly.

EEDIT: here it is.
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Postby Gim » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:43 am

REQUIRES that radio services include amateur, broadcast, experimental, personal communications, business communications, life and safety communications, radiolocation, governmental and military communications, and aerocraft, spacecraft, and watercraft communications;


This clause may be frowned upon by socialist or totalitarian states. They would probably focus on mostly military and propaganda uses of the radio.
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Wallenburg wrote:
DEFINES radio, for purposes of this resolution, as radiated electromagnetic energy with a frequency of 3 kHz – 300 GHz;

Ogenbond squint at the draft. "Ambassador, do you need medical attention? It appears you are typing gibberish. I haven't the foggiest idea what '3 kHz - 300 GHz' means."

Electromagnetic radiation which cycles between 3000 times a second and 300 billion times a second.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 01, 2016 12:14 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Ogenbond squint at the draft. "Ambassador, do you need medical attention? It appears you are typing gibberish. I haven't the foggiest idea what '3 kHz - 300 GHz' means."

Electromagnetic radiation which cycles between 3000 times a second and 300 billion times a second.

"Then why didn't the Ambassador say that in the first place? Besides, those are some very arbitrary numbers."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 01, 2016 12:19 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Electromagnetic radiation which cycles between 3000 times a second and 300 billion times a second.

"Then why didn't the Ambassador say that in the first place? Besides, those are some very arbitrary numbers."

He did say that. Those numbers aren't really that arbitrary. They are well at the level where it would avoid reabsorption into a molecular matrix or an atomic nucleus so we can avoid photodisintegration.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 01, 2016 12:22 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Then why didn't the Ambassador say that in the first place? Besides, those are some very arbitrary numbers."

He did say that.

"Ambassador, even Gerald couldn't translate that mess. If Gerald can't do it, it does not work."

OOC: You do realize that many member nations won't use Hertz as a unit, right?
Those numbers aren't really that arbitrary. They are well at the level where it would avoid reabsorption into a molecular matrix or an atomic nucleus so we can avoid photodisintegration.

"I must admit, Ambassador, I have no idea what that means."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 01, 2016 12:25 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:He did say that.

"Ambassador, even Gerald couldn't translate that mess. If Gerald can't do it, it does not work."

OOC: You do realize that many member nations won't use Hertz as a unit, right?

Yes and I don't think we should promote that norm anymore. It's annoying and counterproductive. Next, oh noes! What is a second?!

Wallenburg wrote:
Those numbers aren't really that arbitrary. They are well at the level where it would avoid reabsorption into a molecular matrix or an atomic nucleus so we can avoid photodisintegration.

"I must admit, Ambassador, I have no idea what that means."

Microwaves heat water by having the same frequency as the vibrations in a water molecule. They are absorbed, increasing the kinetic energy of the water molecule, creating heat. You can also do this to an atomic nucleus when your photon has the same frequency as the vibrations of the nucleus's components. This is way more awesome, since it can destroy stars, and is known as photodisintegration — nuclear fission by light alone.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 01, 2016 12:33 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Ambassador, even Gerald couldn't translate that mess. If Gerald can't do it, it does not work."

OOC: You do realize that many member nations won't use Hertz as a unit, right?

Yes and I don't think we should promote that norm anymore. It's annoying and counterproductive. Next, oh noes! What is a second?!

OOC: I see. Clearly then, we should not accommodate for players RPing as nations on other worlds. Or alternate histories. Or those not set in the present day.
Wallenburg wrote:"I must admit, Ambassador, I have no idea what that means."

Microwaves heat water by having the same frequency as the vibrations in a water molecule. They are absorbed, increasing the kinetic energy of the water molecule, creating heat. You can also do this to an atomic nucleus when your photon has the same frequency as the vibrations of the nucleus's components. This is way more awesome, since it can destroy stars, and is known as photodisintegration — nuclear fission by light alone.

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OOC: Exactly how does an interwar nation like yours know about nuclear fusion and fission?
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Postby Tinfect » Sun May 01, 2016 12:36 am

Wallenburg wrote:OOC: I see. Clearly then, we should not accommodate for players RPing as nations on other worlds. Or alternate histories. Or those not set in the present day.


OOC:
As an FT Nation not set on Earth, that doesn't internally use the Metric System, measurements really are not important.
If it becomes an issue, convert as necessary, ICly, Imperial Translators already do it, so you'll never have to figure out how long 13 Vlet is, because it doesn't really matter, and it just causes problems.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 01, 2016 12:42 am

Tinfect wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:OOC: I see. Clearly then, we should not accommodate for players RPing as nations on other worlds. Or alternate histories. Or those not set in the present day.


OOC:
As an FT Nation not set on Earth, that doesn't internally use the Metric System, measurements really are not important.
If it becomes an issue, convert as necessary, ICly, Imperial Translators already do it, so you'll never have to figure out how long 13 Vlet is, because it doesn't really matter, and it just causes problems.

First, wouldn't that count as forced RP, as my nation would have to recognize Tinfect's existence in order to comply with a resolution using its units? Second, if you are going to use units, at least spell them out. "gHz" is just lazy.
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Postby Tinfect » Sun May 01, 2016 12:44 am

Wallenburg wrote:First, wouldn't that count as forced RP, as my nation would have to recognize Tinfect's existence in order to comply with a resolution using its units? Second, if you are going to use units, at least spell them out. "gHz" is just lazy.


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Well, for one, it'd be asinine to use a fictional unit of measurement in a WA Resolution, and it would almost certainly be branding, so there is that. Though I'll give you your second point, but that's more a matter of my being horrible at remembering what the shortened forms mean.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 01, 2016 1:00 am

Wallenburg wrote:OOC: Exactly how does an interwar nation like yours know about nuclear fusion and fission?

Well, IA isn't an interwar nation. It just appears to be an Edwardian-era nation.

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Postby Liagolas » Sun May 01, 2016 1:03 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Well, IA isn't an interwar nation. It just appears to be an Edwardian-era nation.

OOC: If I may ask out of curiosity, does "appears to be an Edwardian-era nation" mean it's a nation where in the early 1900s they've figured out nuclear fusion and fission, or did you mean it just has the style of that era and while it appears Edwardian is actually set in a more advanced time period?
The Place Without a PeopleThe Dominion, brieflyThe Liagolas (leader) • MT. The dystopia pretending to be a hivemind. • When NS stats make your nation look freer than it's meant to be. • Security Council: *dips toe into roleplaying* General Assembly: *slaps SC*
In insisting it's a political simulation, NS ignores its reality as a political simulation game. Games have boundaries, and modern roleplaying games have safety tools. NS has neither, leaving it stuck as a badge-collecting pay-to-win where causticness is excused as "character," griefing/raiding is "just politics," and F7 is more courteous than General Assembly.

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Bears Armed
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Sun May 01, 2016 5:56 am

OOC; re units... There was a past Modly ruling that any measurements cited in a proposal's text would actually be converted into appropriate units for each nation by the gnomes, just as they translate all proposals into everybody's languages.
However 'Hz', because it refers to a RL individual's name, might fall foul of the rule against RL references.
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
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Wrapper
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Wrapper » Sun May 01, 2016 6:22 am

Bears Armed wrote:OOC; re units... There was a past Modly ruling that any measurements cited in a proposal's text would actually be converted into appropriate units for each nation by the gnomes, just as they translate all proposals into everybody's languages.
However 'Hz', because it refers to a RL individual's name, might fall foul of the rule against RL references.

Relevant precedent (Hz is fine):

viewtopic.php?p=6995489#p6995489

You're forgiven for misremembering something from five years ago. :)

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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sun May 01, 2016 6:45 am

I think everyone's forgetting GA #88, WA Numeration and Units Act, which should help in situations like this...
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