HYDRA COMMAND

[Tom Vasentius HYDRA]

Why didn't you post Sunday night's results?

I dun wanna talk about Sunday night ._.

[Tom Vasentius HYDRA]

Ranko, Xesperias, and Tom storm the tag fields

Troops:

Deputy Director: Tom Vasentius HYDRA
General: Xesperias
Sergeant: Ranko Kanzaki


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[Tom Vasentius HYDRA]

Operation Citigroup
The Place that has No Big Banks Invaded!



On the Major of 4/20 HyCom and friends decided to blaze it a bit and went to go make the natives in The Place that has No Big Banks #feelthebern and on very short notice too. The assault time slipped in quickly and by the time the natives noticed something was off it was too late.

Troops:

Deputy Director: Tom Vasentius HYDRA
Captain: Vaculatestar
Lieutenant: Zombie Hordes
Sergeant: Ranko Kanzaki
Private: The Great Wall of Mexico
Private First Class: Siniarus from The Black Hawks
Raider Wolf: Elysium Station from Lone Wolves United

[Dark Robes]

Great work guys! Too bad I missed the update.

[John Turner]

Great work guys! Too bad I missed the update.

And the streak for consecutive times missing the update gets yet a day longer...... You really should have a trophy for that achievement by now.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Good job guys. o7

[Vando0sa]

All those tags.. I miss raiding already..

[Tom Vasentius HYDRA]

HyCom troops charge into Russia

Where the Germans and the French once failed, HyCom has been successful! On the Major of 4/22 the forces of HYDRA Command stormed Russia, easily crushing a TITO defense attempt.

Troops:

Deputy Director: Tom Vasentius HYDRA
General: Xesperias
Lieutenant: Zombie Hordes
Sergeant: Ranko Kanzaki
Corporal: HYDRA Soldier
Private First Class: The Great Wall of Mexico
Cadet: Less Fabulous Rainicorns

[Ranko Kanzaki]

Was wondering when this one would get posted.

[95 block]

Grand Central is also proudly supporting this operation. Good job guys!

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

I'm glad my first raid was a successful one.

[Tom Vasentius HYDRA]

On the Major of 4/28 HyCom invaded Edisonia, a founderless school class region that was in need of a detention.


Troops:

Corporal: HYDRA Soldier
Deputy Director: Tom Vasentius HYDRA
Lieutenant: Zombie Hordes
Sergeant: Ranko Kanzaki
Sergeant: Queen Yuno
Corporal: Petar Dimov II
Private First Class: The Great Wall of Mexico
Private: Schizoit Paranoia

Support From Auralia
Regent: Thalerland
Swordsman: UltimaWeapon

[The old wildlife pen pal]

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On the Major of 4/28 HyCom invaded Edisonia, a founderless school class region that was in need of a detention.


Troops:

Corporal: HYDRA Soldier
Deputy Director: Tom Vasentius HYDRA
Lieutenant: Zombie Hordes
Sergeant: Ranko Kanzaki
Sergeant: Queen Yuno
Corporal: Petar Dimov II
Private First Class: The Great Wall of Mexico
Private: Schizoit Paranoia

Support From Auralia
Regent: Thalerland
Swordsman: UltimaWeapon

Congrats on the raid.

viewtopic.php?p=7164557#p7164557
viewtopic.php?p=7177639#p7177639

I sent a GHR already, so don't worry about having to do that

[Dark Robes]

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On the Major of 4/28 HyCom invaded Edisonia, a founderless school class region that was in need of a detention.


Troops:

Corporal: HYDRA Soldier
Deputy Director: Tom Vasentius HYDRA
Lieutenant: Zombie Hordes
Sergeant: Ranko Kanzaki
Sergeant: Queen Yuno
Corporal: Petar Dimov II
Private First Class: The Great Wall of Mexico
Private: Schizoit Paranoia

Support From Auralia
Regent: Thalerland
Swordsman: UltimaWeapon

Congrats on the raid.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 7#p7164557
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 9#p7177639

I sent a GHR already, so don't worry about having to do that

Well done, your main weapon is the mods.

[The old wildlife pen pal]

Well done, your main weapon is the mods.

Yeah. I've no intention of moving into, let alone liberating, a class region that I'm not a member of. I rather enjoy not being deated and I'm sure those I defend with do too.

[McManniaa]

Wish this rule against entering class regions was mentioned in the FAQ, where the rules are supposed to be listed. I've just gone over it three times and I cant find it (unless I missed it)

I generally hate rule breaking and disaprove of it, and now Im sad

[The old wildlife pen pal]

The FAQ is an FAQ, not a complete listing of all the NS rules (even though most get covered in some broad sense). I would have thought "don't raid a class region" would have been pretty common sense though. They're class regions - for teachers and students of some class to us together as a teaching aid.

If you go to the Educators page, linked to from the FAQ, that makes it pretty clear that admin wants, and thus teachers expect, their regions to be separated from the rest of the game.

[Evil Wolf]

I would have thought "don't raid a class region" would have been pretty common sense though.

Technically speaking, I'm not sure it's actually illegal. It's certainly not supposed to happen, in fact I thought that the Classrooms regions were now set up in such a way that makes external invasions impossible.

Clearly ADMIN doesn't want it to occur, but I don't believe players should be punished for preforming an allowable game action; we're kinda drifting towards Pre-Influence "Invasion Laws" territory here. Still, I don't think there is an explicit rule saying it's illegal or a defined punishment for those players that somehow manage it.

It's certainly not a good idea, however. As Sedge told me way back in 2011,

your nation will become classified as a class nation - it'll be stuck there permanently. I don't advise trying it.

So clearly a bad idea, but an illegal action? MEEEEEH, we'll see.

[McManniaa]

"While this FAQ (and the Terms & Conditions of Use) cover all of the rules at a high level, you can find more detail than you probably ever want to know in the One-Stop Rules Shop on the forums."

I checked all of these and nothing in any of them state that entering a class region being against the rules. I understand now that it is a rule, but rules need to be explicitly stated in an official manner (a five year old

obscure forum thread isnt that) so they are easy to find and to follow. Nowhere in the Educator page does it imply that there are rules against or consequences for nations entering a class region, and saying I should have

read in between the lines doesnt count.


HYDRA and its members will accept any and all punishment given by the mods for this transgression. Rules have to be enforced after all. All im saying is if the rule had been easy to find (like being listed with the other rules

for example), we would have followed it to the letter.

[Evil Wolf]

HYDRA and its members will accept any and all punishment given by the mods for this transgression. Rules have to be enforced after all. All im saying is if the rule had been easy to find (like being listed with the other rules for example), we would have followed it to the letter.

Here's the thing, McMan, I'm fairly sure registered school regions are meant to be invasion proof. I don't mean that in the sense of "if you invade it, we delete you", I mean that in the sense of "this region should be impossible to invade".

You clever little pranksters somehow found a way to defeat the game mechanics and pull off what shouldn't be possible if the region was properly set up. I'd view that less of an illegal action and more of a game glitch. So congratulations HYDRA, you didn't just potentially break the rules, you broke the GAME.

Then again, I am not a MOD (for good reason), so best of luck to you all.

[The old wildlife pen pal]

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Once again, your question is answered if you read all the posts. I'll even give you the quote here to read this time!

Isn't it against game rules for non-class nations to enter class regions?

Yep, and class regions are supposed to be password-protected to prevent that from happening. But we allow it to happen when the nation knows the correct password so that you can fix up situations like yours, where a class nation was created outside the proper process.

From that thread also, it sounds like anyone with the password can enter a school region. So unless some actual bug was involved I suspect they just got the password and used that to move in.

"While this FAQ (and the Terms & Conditions of Use) cover all of the rules at a high level, you can find more detail than you probably ever want to know in the One-Stop Rules Shop on the forums."

Well there you go, my apologies.

I checked all of these and nothing in any of them state that entering a class region being against the rules. I understand now that it is a rule, but rules need to be explicitly stated in an official manner (a five year old obscure forum thread isnt that) so they are easy to find and to follow. Nowhere in the Educator page does it imply that there are rules against or consequences for nations entering a class region, and saying I should have read in between the lines doesnt count.

If you don't read between the lines then of course you will find nothing implied

"This [school] region is isolated from the rest of the game world, so students cannot communicate with or be approached by other players."
So if you do find a way to do so, doesn't it seem like you should either a)report it as a bug, or b)just not do it?

[McManniaa]

So if you do find a way to do so, doesn't it seem like you should either a)report it as a bug, or b)just not do it?

Implications can be misinterpreted, or missed entirely. They aren't a solid foundation for rules, rules need to be explicit, and if necessary detailed. Saying "Oh well you should have inferred that" isn't

a valid response when there is no indication whatsoever of it actually being a rule violation for outside nations to get into the school region.

[Ballotonia]

Here's the thing, McMan, I'm fairly sure registered school regions are meant to be invasion proof. I don't mean that in the sense of "if you invade it, we delete you", I mean that in the sense of "this region should be impossible to invade".

You clever little pranksters somehow found a way to defeat the game mechanics and pull off what shouldn't be possible if the region was properly set up. I'd view that less of an illegal action and more of a game glitch. So congratulations HYDRA, you didn't just potentially break the rules, you broke the GAME.

Then again, I am not a MOD (for good reason), so best of luck to you all.

Flawed logic here, EW. We want class regions to not be invaded. They should be able to go through their classes without disturbance. To assist in that goal the game was set up to put up barriers (like a password and a telegram barrier) making it really difficult to invade. Lots of rules in the game CAN be broken, which is actually why the rules exist. If it were impossible to do we wouldn't need the OSRS. Your 'if the game allows the rule to be broken there's something wrong with the game' is very much the wrong attitude.

So, now it is up to the mods to figure out how to proceed here. Note that all known information will be weighed in: how well the rule was communicated, how obvious it is without it having to be stated explicitly, past offenses, etc...

We also seem to have at least one WA Multi here, and someone who was banned from being a WA member following the Predator debacle joining the WA by entering the class region. I really wish people would think first before they do something. Contemplating whether something is legal or even 'a good idea' would really come in handy.

Ballotonia

[McManniaa]

We also seem to have at least one WA Multi here, and someone who was banned from being a WA member following the Predator debacle joining the WA by entering the class region. I really wish people would think first before they do something. Contemplating whether something is legal or even 'a good idea' would really come in handy.

Ballotonia

I was not aware of any WA multying. Im gonna have to talk to the troops about that, I will not allow that kind of behavior within HYDRA. Regarding the WA banned player, he was not aware that entering the region caused

his account to automatically join the WA, and he resigned as soon as he realized what had happened. He also filed a GHR.

Side note, totally unrelated. "They should be able to go through their classes without disturbance." Is Edisonia still an active class? i checked out the regions RMB history, and the region is over five years old. I only have

experience with the american education system, so Im no expert, but five years is a long time for a class

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Quick question McMann: did your choice of region to raid have anything to do with the fact that their Delegate nominated Hydra for an SC condemnation?