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Is Atheism a Neurological disorder? Possible prenatal test

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Would you support a Prenatal test for Atheism

I don't agree with the OP; atheism isn't a neurological disorder
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I agree with the OP; atheism is a neurological disorder
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I don't agree with the OP; it's a psychological disorder
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Yes, and also for Agnosticism
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Undecided.
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Is Atheism a Neurological disorder? Possible prenatal test

Postby Archbishop Cranmer » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:41 pm

This may seem like a provocative title, however in context I feel there is a reasonable amount of evidence to make this hypothesis.

"Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 13% of the world's population"
source; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

When we look at how the vast majority of the world's population adhere to some kind of theistic Religion, whether monotheistic, polytheistic or henotheistic. It seems like they're is something fundamental to our neurological wiring, that causes us to seek a God(ess) or God(esses). Something fundamental that causes us to comprehend the idea of a being greater than our selves, something that surpasses this physical Earthly realm...

When we look at the correlation between Pervasive Developmental Disorder's and Atheism, could it be that there is a fundamental defect in the brain wiring of an Atheist that causes them to be unable to comprehend the idea of a being greater than them selves? The very nature of a supernatural entity is an abstract concept that would be very dependent, and sensitive to the condition of one's brain wiring.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OMR ... er&f=false
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ps ... ad-atheism

And if so, would it be possible that in future we may see a prenatal test for Atheism? And if so would you support it? I personally would as if there is even the slightest chance that a neurological disorder could send my Child to hell, I don't think I could live my self knowing, that my and my wife brought them into the world to suffer such a fate. Calvinism, and predestination spring to mind...

But what do, YOU think NSG?
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:44 pm

Archbishop Cranmer wrote:I personally would as if there is even the slightest chance that a neurological disorder could send my Child to hell, I don't think I could live my self knowing, that my and my wife brought them into the world to suffer such a fate.


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Archbishop Cranmer wrote:This may seem like a proactive title, however in context I feel there is a reasonable amount of evidence to make this hypothesis.

"Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 13% of the world's population"
source; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

When we look at how the vast majority of the world's population adhere to some kind of theistic Religion, whether monotheistic, polytheistic or henotheistic. It seems like they're is something fundamental to our neurological wiring, that causes us to seek a God(ess) or God(esses). Something fundamental that causes us to comprehend the idea of a being greater than our selves, something that surpasses this physical Earthly realm...

When we look at the correlation between Pervasive Developmental Disorder's and Atheism, could it be that there is a fundamental defect in the brain wiring of an Atheist that causes them to be unable to comprehend the idea of a being greater than them selves? The very nature of a supernatural entity is an abstract concept that would be very dependent, and sensitive to the condition of one's brain wiring.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OMR ... er&f=false
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ps ... ad-atheism

And if so, would it be possible that in future we may see a prenatal test for Atheism? And if so would you support it? I opersonally would as if there is even the slightest chance that a neurological disorder could send my Child to hell, I don't think I could live my self knowing, that my and my wife brought them into the world to suffer such a fate.

But what do, YOU think NSG?


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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:48 pm

Archbishop Cranmer wrote:This may seem like a proactive title...

And post. And poll. Very provocative stuff.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:55 pm

thank the non-existent god that good Christians will never allow the aborting of atheist fetuses. it makes baby jesus cry.
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Postby Archbishop Cranmer » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:59 pm

Ashmoria wrote:thank the existent god that good Christians will never allow the aborting of atheist fetuses. it makes baby jesus cry.

Not necessarily. The Anglican position is that in some cases, such as a threat to the Mother's life should the pregnancy be continued, that abortion is then the lesser evil.

A positive prenatal test result for Atheism, would likely be considered another exception.
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Postby Atealia » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:59 pm

This bait is so holy it's probably been blessed by Christ himself.
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Postby Zoice » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:00 pm

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:03 pm

OP has it backwards, instead we should genetically select for those predisposed to Atheism, while simultaneously limiting, if not outright banning those who are predisposed to religion.
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Postby New Giliberafta » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:05 pm

Does the OP understand that religion is an idea that is taught to people and if someone that does not grasp that same concept does not have a disorder?
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Postby Dakini » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:06 pm

I think that the article and the OP need to learn that correlation is not causation.

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Postby Archbishop Cranmer » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:06 pm

The correlation between Atheism, and depression is interesting...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_depression

Neurological issue, causing a chemical imbalance in Serotonin levels?
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Postby New Giliberafta » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:07 pm

Archbishop Cranmer wrote:The correlation between Atheism, and depression is interesting...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_depression

Neurological issue, causing a chemical imbalance?

Correlation=/= causation
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:07 pm

... Well ain't this petty.
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Postby Engleberg » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:07 pm

I'm a proud Christian, but I don't think the OP is correct entirely on this one.

And that poll, it's a little "bait-y."
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Postby New Giliberafta » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:07 pm

New Giliberafta wrote:
Archbishop Cranmer wrote:The correlation between Atheism, and depression is interesting...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_depression

Neurological issue, causing a chemical imbalance?

Correlation=/= causation

And the source...
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Postby New Grestin » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:08 pm

The edge is strong with this one, yes.

As is the unnecessary comma in the title.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:08 pm

Archbishop Cranmer wrote:The correlation between Atheism, and depression is interesting...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_depression

Neurological issue, causing a chemical imbalance in Serotonin levels?

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Postby Dakini » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:08 pm

Archbishop Cranmer wrote:The correlation between Atheism, and depression is interesting...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_depression

Neurological issue, causing a chemical imbalance in Serotonin levels?

Conservapedia is not really known for being a reliable source...

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:09 pm

New Grestin wrote:The edge is strong with this one, yes.

As is the unnecessary comma in the title.

That comma is going to bug me now, I hadn't noticed it until you pointed it out :evil:

Edit: Ah, fixed. Much better.
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Postby Calimama » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:10 pm

Yeahhhhhh.....no. Being an atheist is in no way a 'disorder'.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:11 pm

Archbishop Cranmer wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:thank the existent god that good Christians will never allow the aborting of atheist fetuses. it makes baby jesus cry.

Not necessarily. The Anglican position is that in some cases, such as a threat to the Mother's life should the pregnancy be continued, that abortion is then the lesser evil.

A positive prenatal test result for Atheism, would likely be considered another exception.

I think not. no more than if the eventual baby would be left handed or of the wrong gender.
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Postby Ovumia » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:12 pm

No.

I can't even say "no" in the poll because it's such a loaded question, meant to somehow make me feel bad for choosing it (though I don't, as I don't believe in a Hell that my child could even go to).

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Postby New Grestin » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:14 pm

Alvecia wrote:
New Grestin wrote:The edge is strong with this one, yes.

As is the unnecessary comma in the title.

That comma is going to bug me now, I hadn't noticed it until you pointed it out :evil:

Edit: Ah, fixed. Much better.

Maybe I can make the OP fix his forced, biased poll next.

I think I'll let my children be neurologically damaged, thanks, if the alternative is teaching them lies about how the universe works to make them feel better.
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