Is laissez-fairè capitalism or pure communism better?

[Petrolheadia]

Welcome! This is a thread where we seek for an answer for the question: is laissez-fairè capitalism or pure communism better.

Laissez-fairè capitalism is capitalism with as few regulations as possible and no welfare. Pure communism is a model where everyone is as close to financial equality as possible.

And in my opinion pure communism loses here. The premise of equality is very good, but it means that people will exploit it and live like the others do, while working less, thus exploiting the economy. There also is the problem of people not having the incentive to work, due to receiving just as much for better work - so why work better? And the economy goes down the drain.

So, pure communism is even worse than laissez-fairè capitalism. (not that I support any of them). And which one do you prefer?

[Vistulange]

Well, if I have to choose, I would choose "pure" communism, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Also, communism does not foresee the current mentality of human kind. It foresees a new kind of human, a homo novus if you will, which does not care about monetary or financial issues because they simply will not exist in a communist system. Applying our current methods of thinking and emotions to the homo novus is simply illogical.

That said, I continue to be a realist-social democrat, equally despised by everybody.

[The disunited states]

Well, if I have to choose, I would choose "pure" communism, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Also, communism does not foresee the current mentality of human kind. It foresees a new kind of human, a homo novus if you will, which does not care about monetary or financial issues because they simply will not exist in a communist system. Applying our current methods of thinking and emotions to the homo novus is simply illogical.

That said, I continue to be a realist-social democrat, equally despised by everybody.

I find 'Realist' and 'social democrat' to be oxymoronic. On what basis do you consider the basically failed ideology of social democracy to be realistic? It was invented as a third way, as most people forget now. And we all know that the center is not necessarily (and rarely is in fact) the best course of action.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Well, if I have to choose, I would choose "pure" communism, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Also, communism does not foresee the current mentality of human kind. It foresees a new kind of human, a homo novus if you will, which does not care about monetary or financial issues because they simply will not exist in a communist system. Applying our current methods of thinking and emotions to the homo novus is simply illogical.

That said, I continue to be a realist-social democrat, equally despised by everybody.

I find 'Realist' and 'social democrat' to be oxymoronic. On what basis do you consider the basically failed ideology to be desirable outside of ethical and ideological platforms?

The fact that Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism (a la Bernie Sanders) are not actually failed ideologies. If anything, American Conservatism is the proven-to-fail ideology in this equation.

[The Liberated Territories]

Laissez fairè liberalism.

I dislike the word capitalism because it doesnt accurately portray what laissez fairè is.

Ultimately, my view of laissez fairè isnt to different than the ideals of socialists: less inequality, more freedom.

[Emerald Ilses Empire]

This is a hard quesiton...

The only country that attempted "Pure Communism" were the Khmer Rogue, who massacred millions of people in their attempt to abolish any sense of individuality. Whereas no country has actually tried pure complete Laissez-fairé capitalism, so it is harder to gain an good idea historically of what that would look like. Ultimately, I would rather live in a state attempting to be pure Laissez Fairé than pure communist, simply because of the greater amount of individual initiative as well as higher probability not to end in a genocide.

[The disunited states]

I find 'Realist' and 'social democrat' to be oxymoronic. On what basis do you consider the basically failed ideology to be desirable outside of ethical and ideological platforms?

The fact that Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism (a la Bernie Sanders) are not actually failed ideologies. If anything, American Conservatism is the proven-to-fail ideology in this equation.

The fact that so called successful social democratic countries are liberalizing empirically proves that the social democratic ideal has been abandoned by virtually everyone.

[Wallenburg]

Pure communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless utopia, so I'll go with that.

[Irona]

Pure communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless utopia, so I'll go with that.

this haha, it's not really a fair question because pure communism is utopian where as laissez-faire capitalism is an actual currently achievable economic system

[The Liberated Territories]

Pure communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless utopia, so I'll go with that.

this haha, it's not really a fair question because pure communism is utopian where as laissez-faire capitalism is an actual currently achievable economic system

Its much harder than you think. While id say certain periods of history and certain areas were closer to laissez fairè, for the most part weve never been under laissez fairè

[Irona]

this haha, it's not really a fair question because pure communism is utopian where as laissez-faire capitalism is an actual currently achievable economic system

Its much harder than you think. While id say certain periods of history and certain areas were closer to laissez fairè, for the most part weve never been under laissez fairè

Parts of the wild west?

[The disunited states]

Pure communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless utopia, so I'll go with that.

this haha, it's not really a fair question because pure communism is utopian where as laissez-faire capitalism is an actual currently achievable economic system

I guite agree. The socialist thought that mankind is somehow a Guinea pig of the time and age in which he lives (derived from Hegel and Feurstein)is quite crazy. Humans are humans not tools that can somehow act contrary to their own interests but those of the 'collective'. The new Soviet man is still a farce.

[Wallenburg]

Pure communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless utopia, so I'll go with that.

this haha, it's not really a fair question because pure communism is utopian where as laissez-faire capitalism is an actual currently achievable economic system

Tell me, which nations are laissez-faire?

[The disunited states]

this haha, it's not really a fair question because pure communism is utopian where as laissez-faire capitalism is an actual currently achievable economic system

Tell me, which nations are laissez-faire?

Singapore is a pretty close one. You can automatically ignore the abuses of the pap, only economic rights are important to the dignity of man.

[The Liberated Territories]

Tell me, which nations are laissez-faire?

Singapore is a pretty close one. You can automatically ignore the abuses of the pap, only economic rights are important to the dignity of man.

Singapore is full of crony capitalism. Ranked fifth, in fact. Ergo its how NOT to implement laissez fairè liberalism.

[The disunited states]

Singapore is a pretty close one. You can automatically ignore the abuses of the pap, only economic rights are important to the dignity of man.

Singapore is full of crony capitalism. Ranked fifth, in fact. Ergo its how NOT to implement laissez fairè liberalism.

Singapore is the manifestation of virtue in our flawed gritty world. I tip my hat to Lee Kuan Yew for the jewel he created out of a piece of statist dirt.

[Valaran]

only economic rights are important to the dignity of man.

lol, somehow I don't think that is the most popular opinion.

[The East Marches]

Laissez-fairè capitalism every time. I have to contribute the obligatory: "Better dead than red".

[The disunited states]

only economic rights are important to the dignity of man.

lol, somehow I don't think that is the most popular opinion.

Then you are a statist.

[The Liberated Territories]

Singapore is full of crony capitalism. Ranked fifth, in fact. Ergo its how NOT to implement laissez fairè liberalism.

Singapore is the manifestation of virtue in our flawed gritty world. I tip my hat to Lee Kuan Yew for the jewel he created out of a piece of statist dirt.

Methinks this Lee Kuan Yew has a bit to much of a personality cult...

Also that sounds creepy.

[The Liberated Territories]

Laissez-fairè capitalism every time. I have to contribute the obligatory: "Better dead than red".

Liberty Prime agrees with your assessment.

[Valaran]

Methinks this Lee Kuan Yew has a bit to much of a personality cult...

Yeah, probably.

lol, somehow I don't think that is the most popular opinion.

Then you are a statist.

Firstly, I never said that it was my opinion. Secondly, I imagine many libertarians wish for my rights than economic ones.

[The disunited states]

Methinks this Lee Kuan Yew has a bit to much of a personality cult...

Yeah, probably.

Then you are a statist.

Firstly, I never said that it was my opinion. Secondly, I imagine many libertarians wish for my rights than economic ones.

By assuring economic rights we assure that all other negative rights will be protected forever once the spirit of those economic rights tinge the men it encompasses. Assuring only civil or social rights leads to places where both rights will eventually be extinguished by the state.

[The Liberated Territories]

Yeah, probably.



Firstly, I never said that it was my opinion. Secondly, I imagine many libertarians wish for my rights than economic ones.

By assuring economic rights we assure that all other negative rights will be protected forever once the spirit of those economic rights tinge the men it encompasses. Assuring only civil or social rights leads to places where both rights will eventually be extinguished by the state.

Take it easy there, Galt.

[Wallenburg]

Tell me, which nations are laissez-faire?

Singapore is a pretty close one. You can automatically ignore the abuses of the pap, only economic rights are important to the dignity of man.

Close, but no cigar.