NATION

PASSWORD

First female 11X has been accepted

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Uxupox
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13447
Founded: Nov 13, 2014
Ex-Nation

First female 11X has been accepted

Postby Uxupox » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:04 pm

The Army's first female infantry recruit, a 25-year-old police officer from Louisiana, will report to basic training next year.

Tammy Grace Barnett took the oath of enlistment Thursday at Military Entrance Processing Station Shreveport. She plans to serve in military occupational specialty 11X, one of a series of MOSs that opened to women April 1.


ARMY TIMES
Army seeks enlisted women for infantry, armor and 12 other combat jobs

Barnett initially visited Army recruiters in November, she said in an Army news release. She told TV station KSLA that she'd planned to enter the military police ranks, "but infantry is similar, and they are more on the front lines, like law enforcement here, and I said that's what I want to do."

She'll head to Fort Benning, Georgia, in June 2017 for basic training. The 14-month delay "is to allow the Army to properly prepare for new trainees by having trained female officers and [noncommissioned officers] in position," Army Recruiting Battalion Baton Rouge public affairs chief Roger Harmon said via email. "This allows female soldiers the opportunity to attend training and serve in a MOS previously only available to male soldiers."


Another MOS gender barrier fell recently at a recruiting station in Horseheads, a central New York town about 15 miles from the Pennsylvania border. There, Kaitlyn Stanton enlisted as a fire support specialist (MOS 13F), which opened to women April 1 along with 11-series specialties and other combat-related jobs.

Another female 13F recruit is set to enlist early next week in the Seattle area, a Recruiting Command spokesman said.

Barnett plans to celebrate her gender-equity milestone by going fishing with family this weekend. She's also already made some career plans.

"I have served the front lines in my hometown ... and now I am going to serve the front lines for my country,” Barnett said in the release. “I want to deploy, see action, and I definitely want to go to Airborne school.”


An insert from here.

I'm an infantry man specifically an 11C in the US army. Currently I serve as an instructor in mortar related training and frankly my opinion is very low of this maneuver made by high command. I think this is just a disaster waiting to happen because up to this day they still haven't said which standards are females going to adhere to (Which in my opinion should the be normalized ones to graduate) but knowing TRADOC and their bullshit of magnanimous proportions they are gonna fuck it up as always. While I do know that there are woman who exist who can pass the physical requirements to do the job they are far and few in between which makes it economically un viable for the army as they are investing in a soldier and they expect a return investment from that.

Image


Frankly I don't see the normal female to be able to carry this type of equipment through the day. Which could be upwards of 15 miles or 20 miles depending on when their next objective is. The total weight of his equipment should be upwards to around 80 to 90 lbs. Do you expect somebody who is around 140lb to carry 90lbs of equipment for hours on end?

Care to share your thoughts?
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

User avatar
Kautharr
Diplomat
 
Posts: 557
Founded: Feb 25, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Kautharr » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:07 pm

Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
“Our hearts were made for You, O Lord, and they are restless until they rest in you.” - St. Augustine of Hippo
Trump Will Make America Great Again
You are a: Conservative Anti-Government Non-Interventionist Ultranationalist Fundamentalist
Collectivism score: -67%
Authoritarianism score: -33%
Internationalism score: -33%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -100%
Political Compass: Social 4.71 Economic 2.19

User avatar
Warped Woods
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 167
Founded: Apr 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Warped Woods » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:09 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Army's first female infantry recruit, a 25-year-old police officer from Louisiana, will report to basic training next year.

Tammy Grace Barnett took the oath of enlistment Thursday at Military Entrance Processing Station Shreveport. She plans to serve in military occupational specialty 11X, one of a series of MOSs that opened to women April 1.


ARMY TIMES
Army seeks enlisted women for infantry, armor and 12 other combat jobs

Barnett initially visited Army recruiters in November, she said in an Army news release. She told TV station KSLA that she'd planned to enter the military police ranks, "but infantry is similar, and they are more on the front lines, like law enforcement here, and I said that's what I want to do."

She'll head to Fort Benning, Georgia, in June 2017 for basic training. The 14-month delay "is to allow the Army to properly prepare for new trainees by having trained female officers and [noncommissioned officers] in position," Army Recruiting Battalion Baton Rouge public affairs chief Roger Harmon said via email. "This allows female soldiers the opportunity to attend training and serve in a MOS previously only available to male soldiers."


Another MOS gender barrier fell recently at a recruiting station in Horseheads, a central New York town about 15 miles from the Pennsylvania border. There, Kaitlyn Stanton enlisted as a fire support specialist (MOS 13F), which opened to women April 1 along with 11-series specialties and other combat-related jobs.

Another female 13F recruit is set to enlist early next week in the Seattle area, a Recruiting Command spokesman said.

Barnett plans to celebrate her gender-equity milestone by going fishing with family this weekend. She's also already made some career plans.

"I have served the front lines in my hometown ... and now I am going to serve the front lines for my country,” Barnett said in the release. “I want to deploy, see action, and I definitely want to go to Airborne school.”


An insert from here.

I'm an infantry man specifically an 11C in the US army. Currently I serve as an instructor in mortar related training and frankly my opinion is very low of this maneuver made by high command. I think this is just a disaster waiting to happen because up to this day they still haven't said which standards are females going to adhere to (Which in my opinion should the be normalized ones to graduate) but knowing TRADOC and their bullshit of magnanimous proportions they are gonna fuck it up as always. While I do know that there are woman who exist who can pass the physical requirements to do the job they are far and few in between which makes it economically un viable for the army as they are investing in a soldier and they expect a return investment from that.

Image


Frankly I don't see the normal female to be able to carry this type of equipment through the day. Which could be upwards of 15 miles or 20 miles depending on when their next objective is. The total weight of his equipment should be upwards to around 80 to 90 lbs. Do you expect somebody who is around 140lb to carry 90lbs of equipment for hours on end?

Care to share your thoughts?

Well, there are people who can lift their body weight and who have achieved it through training alone. I don't see the issue here. If she can she does it, if not, she trains more or goes to another line of work in the military.
A gentwoer, existentialist, subjectivist, nihilist, skeptic, agnostic, ignostic, pirate, psychological hedonist, post-leftist, egoist anarchist, individualist feminist and primitive communist. Welcome to the Crooked Forest. Links for me:
  • "The state is a dick." —me
  • "There exist certain questionable people who don't care about anything but their own pleasure. These people are that long-haired, wide-legged dude, foul-mouthed and without manners, who we've come to know well in recent times." —Martti Pihkala

User avatar
Renewed Imperial Germany
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6928
Founded: Jun 18, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:09 pm

Kautharr wrote:Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.


Assuming that woman had a kid. Many single and married women dont have children
Bailey Quinn, Nice ta meet ya! (Female Pronouns Please)
Also known as Harley
NS Stats are not used here.
<3 Alex's NS Wife <3
Normal is a setting on the dryer

User avatar
New Canaustralia
Secretary
 
Posts: 34
Founded: Feb 11, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby New Canaustralia » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:10 pm

To be honest, although having women in the army looks like a joke, I wouldn't object it either. Women may have been proven better at thinking, it doesn't mean that the rules for achieving dreams changes, and if it's a woman's dream to get high up in the armed forces, I'm sure (most, don't quote me on that) will bring out everything they got in order to achieve it, and probably make it through.

User avatar
Warped Woods
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 167
Founded: Apr 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Warped Woods » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:10 pm

Kautharr wrote:Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.

Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.
A gentwoer, existentialist, subjectivist, nihilist, skeptic, agnostic, ignostic, pirate, psychological hedonist, post-leftist, egoist anarchist, individualist feminist and primitive communist. Welcome to the Crooked Forest. Links for me:
  • "The state is a dick." —me
  • "There exist certain questionable people who don't care about anything but their own pleasure. These people are that long-haired, wide-legged dude, foul-mouthed and without manners, who we've come to know well in recent times." —Martti Pihkala

User avatar
Kautharr
Diplomat
 
Posts: 557
Founded: Feb 25, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Kautharr » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:13 pm

Warped Woods wrote:
Kautharr wrote:Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.

Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.

No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
“Our hearts were made for You, O Lord, and they are restless until they rest in you.” - St. Augustine of Hippo
Trump Will Make America Great Again
You are a: Conservative Anti-Government Non-Interventionist Ultranationalist Fundamentalist
Collectivism score: -67%
Authoritarianism score: -33%
Internationalism score: -33%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -100%
Political Compass: Social 4.71 Economic 2.19

User avatar
The balkens
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18751
Founded: Sep 19, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The balkens » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:13 pm

Huh.

good for her.

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:13 pm

The Canadian military has been operating with a gender neutral environment, mixed units, for over a generation now. From what I know, there have not been any major problems with this or combat operations. As well, women are held to a different standard than men.

I think the US military will survive.

User avatar
Renewed Imperial Germany
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6928
Founded: Jun 18, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:15 pm

Kautharr wrote:
Warped Woods wrote:Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.

No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.


Hate to break it to you Kautharr, but there have always been gay and transgender people. That and everything you just said is a steamy hunk of bullshit.
Bailey Quinn, Nice ta meet ya! (Female Pronouns Please)
Also known as Harley
NS Stats are not used here.
<3 Alex's NS Wife <3
Normal is a setting on the dryer

User avatar
Warped Woods
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 167
Founded: Apr 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Warped Woods » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:15 pm

Kautharr wrote:
Warped Woods wrote:Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.

No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.

That the man knew of, of course. For all he knew, she was teaching her son make-up, fashion and how to impress the boys.
A gentwoer, existentialist, subjectivist, nihilist, skeptic, agnostic, ignostic, pirate, psychological hedonist, post-leftist, egoist anarchist, individualist feminist and primitive communist. Welcome to the Crooked Forest. Links for me:
  • "The state is a dick." —me
  • "There exist certain questionable people who don't care about anything but their own pleasure. These people are that long-haired, wide-legged dude, foul-mouthed and without manners, who we've come to know well in recent times." —Martti Pihkala

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:16 pm

Kautharr wrote:
Warped Woods wrote:Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.

No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.

Yes there were. The Sacred Band of Thebes, one of the most badass military units in ancient Greece, was composed solely of male homosexual partners. The Roman emperor Elagabalus may very well have been transgender.

User avatar
Gauthier
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52887
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Gauthier » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:16 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Kautharr wrote:No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.


Hate to break it to you Kautharr, but there have always been gay and transgender people. That and everything you just said is a steamy hunk of bullshit.


He's probably wondering why darkies are allowed to use the same public facilities as whites too.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

User avatar
The Holy Therns
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30591
Founded: Jul 09, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:17 pm

Kautharr wrote:
Warped Woods wrote:Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.

No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.


You keep believing that fairy tale, there.
Platitude with attitude
Your new favorite.
MTF transperson. She/her. Lives in Sweden.
Also, N A N A ! ! !
Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜

Ethel mermania wrote:to therns is to transend the pettiness of the field of play into the field of dreams.

User avatar
Uxupox
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13447
Founded: Nov 13, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Uxupox » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:17 pm

Kautharr wrote:Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.


But will they grow to full potential without a father?

Napkiraly wrote:The Canadian military has been operating with a gender neutral environment, mixed units, for over a generation now. From what I know, there have not been any major problems with this or combat operations. As well, women are held to a different standard than men.

I think the US military will survive.


The US army uses different equipment (other than the M240 B and the M249) from the Canadian armed forces. Also the standards in the Canadian military are pretty shit, I once thought that I saw a marooned land whale when it was in fact a Canadian air force serviceman(person?).
Last edited by Uxupox on Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:18 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Kautharr wrote:Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.


But will they grow to full potential without a father?

Dads don't matter *nod*

User avatar
Dooom35796821595
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9309
Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:19 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Kautharr wrote:No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.


Hate to break it to you Kautharr, but there have always been gay and transgender people. That and everything you just said is a steamy hunk of bullshit.


It looks like sarcasm...always hard to tell on NSG.
When life gives you lemons, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN!
Anything can be justified if it is cool. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all in your way.
"Your methods are stupid! Your progress has been stupid! Your intelligence is stupid! For the sake of the mission, you must be terminated!”

User avatar
Gauthier
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52887
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Gauthier » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:19 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
But will they grow to full potential without a father?

Dads don't matter *nod*


If they grow up without a father they will turn to gay crime. *nod*
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

User avatar
Kautharr
Diplomat
 
Posts: 557
Founded: Feb 25, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Kautharr » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:21 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Kautharr wrote:No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.


Hate to break it to you Kautharr, but there have always been gay and transgender people. That and everything you just said is a steamy hunk of bullshit.

I don't care. If we teach children masculinity then we can get minimize it. Boys need a strong father or brother as a role model, and girls need a nurturing mother as a role model.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
“Our hearts were made for You, O Lord, and they are restless until they rest in you.” - St. Augustine of Hippo
Trump Will Make America Great Again
You are a: Conservative Anti-Government Non-Interventionist Ultranationalist Fundamentalist
Collectivism score: -67%
Authoritarianism score: -33%
Internationalism score: -33%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -100%
Political Compass: Social 4.71 Economic 2.19

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:21 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Dads don't matter *nod*


If they grow up without a father they will turn to gay crime. *nod*

With gay street gangs. America doesn't need a Blood v Crip feud between the Fabulous and You Spin Me Right 'Round gangs!

User avatar
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34994
Founded: Dec 18, 2013
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:21 pm

Kautharr wrote:Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.


Hmm... let's do some R63 to this statement to see if its sexest if you replace women with men.
Kautharr wrote:Men shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a Dad, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a Dad.


See, your statement is sexest ether way.

User avatar
Kautharr
Diplomat
 
Posts: 557
Founded: Feb 25, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Kautharr » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:22 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Hate to break it to you Kautharr, but there have always been gay and transgender people. That and everything you just said is a steamy hunk of bullshit.


It looks like sarcasm...always hard to tell on NSG.

I'm not being sarcastic.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kautharr wrote:Woman shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a mother, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a mother.


Hmm... let's do some R63 to this statement to see if its sexest if you replace women with men.
Kautharr wrote:Men shouldn't be able to serve anyway. If they die overseas it leaves a child without a Dad, and a child will not grow to their full potential without a Dad.


See, your statement is sexest ether way.

I am a proud... sexest?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
“Our hearts were made for You, O Lord, and they are restless until they rest in you.” - St. Augustine of Hippo
Trump Will Make America Great Again
You are a: Conservative Anti-Government Non-Interventionist Ultranationalist Fundamentalist
Collectivism score: -67%
Authoritarianism score: -33%
Internationalism score: -33%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -100%
Political Compass: Social 4.71 Economic 2.19

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:22 pm

Kautharr wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Hate to break it to you Kautharr, but there have always been gay and transgender people. That and everything you just said is a steamy hunk of bullshit.

I don't care. If we teach children masculinity then we can get minimize it. Boys need a strong father or brother as a role model, and girls need a nurturing mother as a role model.

You mean like the masculinity taught to the Spartan warriors that allowed them to become some of the best warriors in Ancient Greece?

User avatar
Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1894
Founded: Nov 20, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:23 pm

Kautharr wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Hate to break it to you Kautharr, but there have always been gay and transgender people. That and everything you just said is a steamy hunk of bullshit.

I don't care. If we teach children masculinity then we can get minimize it. Boys need a strong father or brother as a role model, and girls need a nurturing mother as a role model.

Why do children need a stereotypical parent as a role model? It wouldn't help them cope with any real-world problems that I know of.
Nweh.
I'm debatably alive.
Don't do anxiety, existential depression, or not eating. Basically don't be me.
Welp.

User avatar
Gauthier
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52887
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Gauthier » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:23 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Kautharr wrote:I don't care. If we teach children masculinity then we can get minimize it. Boys need a strong father or brother as a role model, and girls need a nurturing mother as a role model.

You mean like the masculinity taught to the Spartan warriors that allowed them to become some of the best warriors in Ancient Greece?


Where women were Necessary Evils and men preferred each other!
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Fort Viorlia, Ifreann, Port Carverton, Singaporen Empire, Tillania, Tungstan

Advertisement

Remove ads