Illegal Script Usage "Predator": Punishments

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Without delving too much into the subject, there is an ongoing discussion in the private moderation areas regarding the subjects addressed in those two quotes. From what I understand, they are formulating a unified response and making sure everyone is on the same page, which is why they have not directly responded here.

That's all I'm going to say about the matter for now.

And just how exactly are you privy to this information? It seems reasonable they would want to get their stories straight, but why would they tell you and no one else?

Perhaps, I don't know, he got a reply to his GHR stating the matter is under discussion?

[Chingis]

If DEN had hundreds of members, I will eat every hat I own.

Knowing my luck, someone's already proven this wrong, or you admitted you were wrong and I missed it, and now look like a total idiot, but in the glory days of SA, all 135 pilers were DEN members, active at the moment of the op. Plus the 20 odd people who didnt like keeping their WA's in one spot, and the 100 or so people that liked to call themselves DEN members for the fun of it. All in all, in it's year of operation, DEN's gone through a solid 500+ members, active at different times (Note: Most of them never even took part in a single op.)

Oh and R.I.P my poor puppets.

I apologize for my use of an illegal tool, which I believed to be perfectly legal until the very last. I look forward to getting back into Gameplay in a years time.

[Talanis Collective]

If DEN had hundreds of members, I will eat every hat I own.

Knowing my luck, someone's already proven this wrong, or you admitted you were wrong and I missed it, and now look like a total idiot, but in the glory days of SA, all 135 pilers were DEN members, active at the moment of the op. Plus the 20 odd people who didnt like keeping their WA's in one spot, and the 100 or so people that liked to call themselves DEN members for the fun of it. All in all, in it's year of operation, DEN's gone through a solid 500+ members, active at different times (Note: Most of them never even took part in a single op.)

Oh and R.I.P my poor puppets.

I apologize for my use of an illegal tool, which I believed to be perfectly legal until the very last. I look forward to getting back into Gameplay in a years time.

I thought you were just banned from the WA for the duration, not general gameplay or even coordinating (but obviously not actually participating in) raids. Did I misunderstand the ruling?

[Vando0sa]

Knowing my luck, someone's already proven this wrong, or you admitted you were wrong and I missed it, and now look like a total idiot, but in the glory days of SA, all 135 pilers were DEN members, active at the moment of the op. Plus the 20 odd people who didnt like keeping their WA's in one spot, and the 100 or so people that liked to call themselves DEN members for the fun of it. All in all, in it's year of operation, DEN's gone through a solid 500+ members, active at different times (Note: Most of them never even took part in a single op.)

Oh and R.I.P my poor puppets.

I apologize for my use of an illegal tool, which I believed to be perfectly legal until the very last. I look forward to getting back into Gameplay in a years time.

I thought you were just banned from the WA for the duration, not general gameplay or even coordinating (but obviously not actually participating in) raids. Did I misunderstand the ruling?

He got a puppet sweep to. Ouch.. 12 month WA! eep.. Most of us got main nation DEATS and 3 month WA ban and still have our puppets. Glad I had this one lying around! It looks so much like the original you can hardly notice.. now I just have to refound Iwaku somehow.. Gunna be a lot of work. Just to avoid and chance of a disaster like this happening again I am retired from raiding. I'll miss it but I have a new region to look after and a collapsing one to fix. This was too scary! Next time something like this happens it could be a DoS. I don't want one of those..

[Bears Armed]

I wonder when the next 'Mod Olympics' are due, and how this affected people's scores?

[CoraSpia]

I wonder when the next 'Mod Olympics' are due, and how this affected people's scores?

I hope they never happen. This sort of decision isn't something we should be congratulating.

[Evil Wolf]

I wonder when the next 'Mod Olympics' are due, and how this affected people's scores?

I seriously hope you're kidding.

[Minoa]

So with Den gone who's going to be the next big raider region

Statistically, The Communist Bloc with 1,119 nations as of now (source: https://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_s ... ag=invader)

[CoraSpia]

So with Den gone who's going to be the next big raider region

Statistically, The Communist Bloc with 1,119 nations as of now (source: https://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_s ... ag=invader)

But in actual raiding prevalence? I'd say Grand Central or The Black Hawks.

[Gatito]

Statistically, The Communist Bloc with 1,119 nations as of now (source: https://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_s ... ag=invader)

But in actual raiding prevalence? I'd say Grand Central or The Black Hawks.

Yeah, there's a difference between number of nations in your region and the number of regions you've captured. You can tag the biggest region in the game as a raider, but they can only have one region under their control. Likewise, you can have a region of only 100 nations that controls the most in the game. It all depends on how you look at it.

[Ayvari]

But in actual raiding prevalence? I'd say Grand Central or The Black Hawks.

Yeah, there's a difference between number of nations in your region and the number of regions you've captured. You can tag the biggest region in the game as a raider, but they can only have one region under their control. Likewise, you can have a region of only 100 nations that controls the most in the game. It all depends on how you look at it.

Only if you have to dwell on numbers. TCB's military is tied to Europeia's anyways, or it was at one point. Plus, they're Communist. Not raider.

The "next big raiding region" is the one that makes the most noise and stirs up the most antagonism on a big scale. That's just infamy you measure by the most Condemn ___ proposals/complaints/ban ___ because they raided me zomg-themed topics posted by people who had a region raided. It's in all in the eyes of the beholder.

DEN had the most infamy, and numerical advantage. I'd say they were one of the big raiding regions. I consider "big" to be dependent on name and accomplishments behind the name. For me it was DEN, TBH, and LWU, but there is no DEN now. So it will depend on who steps up and fills DEN's shoes.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Yeah, there's a difference between number of nations in your region and the number of regions you've captured. You can tag the biggest region in the game as a raider, but they can only have one region under their control. Likewise, you can have a region of only 100 nations that controls the most in the game. It all depends on how you look at it.

Only if you have to dwell on numbers. TCB's military is tied to Europeia's anyways, or it was at one point. Plus, they're Communist. Not raider.

The "next big raiding region" is the one that makes the most noise and stirs up the most antagonism on a big scale. That's just infamy you measure by the most Condemn ___ proposals/complaints/ban ___ because they raided me zomg-themed topics posted by people who had a region raided. It's in all in the eyes of the beholder.

DEN had the most infamy, and numerical advantage. I'd say they were one of the big raiding regions. I consider "big" to be dependent on name and accomplishments behind the name. For me it was DEN, TBH, and LWU, but there is no DEN now. So it will depend on who steps up and fills DEN's shoes.

The Black Riders raided a lot more often.

Their leader happened to also be the original founder of The Black Hawks, and popularised the tactic of Tag Raiding.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Only if you have to dwell on numbers. TCB's military is tied to Europeia's anyways, or it was at one point. Plus, they're Communist. Not raider.

The "next big raiding region" is the one that makes the most noise and stirs up the most antagonism on a big scale. That's just infamy you measure by the most Condemn ___ proposals/complaints/ban ___ because they raided me zomg-themed topics posted by people who had a region raided. It's in all in the eyes of the beholder.

DEN had the most infamy, and numerical advantage. I'd say they were one of the big raiding regions. I consider "big" to be dependent on name and accomplishments behind the name. For me it was DEN, TBH, and LWU, but there is no DEN now. So it will depend on who steps up and fills DEN's shoes.

The Black Riders raided a lot more often.

Their leader happened to also be the original founder of The Black Hawks, and popularised the tactic of Tag Raiding.

What's so revealing about that? That is pretty common knowledge. Also the new DEN is The Black Riders, who were led by Gest, not Halcones. It was Halcones who popularized tag-raiding, not Gest.

[Crushing Our Enemies]

Halcones founded The Black Riders as well.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Plus, they're Communist. Not raider.

Doesn't matter what label you put on it. Raiding is raiding is raiding. Even when I do it, it is raiding. Tagging regions and participating in ERN's operations is not even in the same realm as the NS left vs NS right fight.

[Tim-Opolis]

So with Den gone who's going to be the next big raider region

Statistically, The Communist Bloc with 1,119 nations as of now (source: https://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_s ... ag=invader)

Pretty sure The Communist Bloc is not the top region there....

#OsirisPride

Plus, they're Communist. Not raider.

Doesn't matter what label you put on it. Raiding is raiding is raiding. Even when I do it, it is raiding. Tagging regions and participating in ERN's operations is not even in the same realm as the NS left vs NS right fight.

Also this, for sure. The Communist Bloc is Invader in their operations, and they haven't show much reason for us to think otherwise. Leftist groups like The Red Fleet have joined us at times for liberations, and in general keep themselves to their NS Left v. NS Right fight, not straying out of it to attack various non-Right Wing founderless regions.

[YoriZ]

As a matter of fact I think I have to say I got to get some sleep tonight.
My respect for the mods and admins for figuring out a solution for the mess and my condolences to those who are feeling the burden of being judged upon.

[New Chilokver]

I wonder when the next 'Mod Olympics' are due, and how this affected people's scores?

What's that?

[Guy]

I wonder when the next 'Mod Olympics' are due, and how this affected people's scores?

What's that?

Counting mod actions by each mod.

[Scandavian States]

Those of us who were big into RPing back in the day always thought raiding was toxic, and griefing besides. Unfortunately this has basically proven us right. But, well, when those in charge encourage vandalism and the disrespect of property rights, it's no surprise. Hopefully Max and/or Violet will drop the hammer on the whole gametype and restore order.

[Sad-States]

Those of us who were big into RPing back in the day always thought raiding was toxic, and griefing besides. Unfortunately this has basically proven us right. But, well, when those in charge encourage vandalism and the disrespect of property rights, it's no surprise. Hopefully Max and/or Violet will drop the hammer on the whole gametype and restore order.

You're suggesting that the NS Staff should drop the hammer on the entire Gameplay Community that it seems 99.9% have never touched Predator or even seen it because you didn't know how to protect your region? If a RP Community is truly strong, it'll take more than regional purges, invasions/occupations and so on to destroy the community. I'm involved in both RP and GP, as I own Audaxia which is both a Roleplay and Gameplayer region.

[Drop Your Pants]

But, well, when those in charge encourage vandalism and the disrespect of property rights, it's no surprise.

Disrespect of property rights? I know some mods like hitting things with hammers but a region isn't property.....and its certainly not our right.

[GCMR of Cokeland]

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[Reploid Productions]

Hopefully Max and/or Violet will drop the hammer on the whole gametype and restore order.

Bajillionth verse, same as the first as to why that will not happen. Unless someone ever finally manages to come up with an actual, solid, useful answer to the the same set of questions I ask every time "ban raiding!" has been brought up.

Or, the tl;dr version for those who don't want to go through the links: "Game can't automatically tell a raid WA delegate change from a not-raid WA delegate change. Since raids and not-raids look completely identical to the game, we can't ban raids without also banning not-raids. Banning not-raids would really, really suck for the vast majority of players, so we don't ban either."

[Zacherie]

Or, the tl;dr version for those who don't want to go through the links: "Game can't automatically tell a raid WA delegate change from a not-raid WA delegate change. Since raids and not-raids look completely identical to the game, we can't ban raids without also banning not-raids. Banning not-raids would really, really suck for the vast majority of players, so we don't ban either."

It surprises me somewhat that you don't have a thread pinned with information like that on technical or moderation by now, for the amount of times I've seen you have to explain this...
I'm honestly sorry that my hobby makes you deal with the bajilionth verse on, what I can only assume is, a daily basis.