The End of an Era: An Age of Beginnings - [OOC/OPEN]

[Ghondra]

Well this has promise, but the setting needs to be cleaned a little to avoid one faction being superior over everyone else for fun.

But I don't know, it seems a little char RP unfriendly because chars might drag faction-RPs with their interactions and all.

Its a mix. Think of the characters as being the faction. And the factions themselves subsumed into the characters. I'm also gonna implement a system so one faction won't have superiority, and a system where characters take priority over the factions. Though I'm gonna need help for a lot of those. That's where you guys come in.

And btw, this will become a discussion thread for the rebooted RP, should interest be sufficiently revitalized. proposals for storylines, new rules and systems, etc. Go here.

Hm? I don't recall us ever facing that issue, actually.

Because we didn't exactly get past Day 3 of the Conclave that's why, and our characters are days... Weeks... Ahead

Hahaha, that's why even I lost interest after a while, because it wasn't moving fast enough. That's why I need ideas for a new storyline, a new starting point.

[Relikai]

Well this has promise, but the setting needs to be cleaned a little to avoid one faction being superior over everyone else for fun.

But I don't know, it seems a little char RP unfriendly because chars might drag faction-RPs with their interactions and all.

Its a mix. Think of the characters as being the faction. And the factions themselves subsumed into the characters. I'm also gonna implement a system so one faction won't have superiority, and a system where characters take priority over the factions. Though I'm gonna need help for a lot of those. That's where you guys come in.

And btw, this will become a discussion thread for the rebooted RP, should interest be sufficiently revitalized. proposals for storylines, new rules and systems, etc. Go here.

Because we didn't exactly get past Day 3 of the Conclave that's why, and our characters are days... Weeks... Ahead

Hahaha, that's why even I lost interest after a while, because it wasn't moving fast enough. That's why I need ideas for a new storyline, a new starting point.

Well the reason why I appeared here in the first place is cos it has a lot of promise. and well, even tho my char got thrown under the bus, there was some contribution to the IC which I can be happy about.

If this is going to be a tad bit more Char centric, sure. Heck id even be sending more attention to this RP.

Just... Try not to drag meetings too long... me and Finn (RPing partner) practically grew old waiting for the Factions to get done so our characters can partake in faction activities (Aside from Zoblus leaving my char to get screwed every way)

[Ghondra]

Its a mix. Think of the characters as being the faction. And the factions themselves subsumed into the characters. I'm also gonna implement a system so one faction won't have superiority, and a system where characters take priority over the factions. Though I'm gonna need help for a lot of those. That's where you guys come in.

And btw, this will become a discussion thread for the rebooted RP, should interest be sufficiently revitalized. proposals for storylines, new rules and systems, etc. Go here.


Hahaha, that's why even I lost interest after a while, because it wasn't moving fast enough. That's why I need ideas for a new storyline, a new starting point.

Well the reason why I appeared here in the first place is cos it has a lot of promise. and well, even tho my char got thrown under the bus, there was some contribution to the IC which I can be happy about.

If this is going to be a tad bit more Char centric, sure. Heck id even be sending more attention to this RP.

Just... Try not to drag meetings too long... me and Finn (RPing partner) practically grew old waiting for the Factions to get done so our characters can partake in faction activities (Aside from Zoblus leaving my char to get screwed every way)

I'm thinking of a system of meetings and conversations where the RPers already know what each character involved is going to say and they write the reaction in a single post. That way the RP won't be paralyzed by someone sleeping in or being too busy.

[Relikai]

Well the reason why I appeared here in the first place is cos it has a lot of promise. and well, even tho my char got thrown under the bus, there was some contribution to the IC which I can be happy about.

If this is going to be a tad bit more Char centric, sure. Heck id even be sending more attention to this RP.

Just... Try not to drag meetings too long... me and Finn (RPing partner) practically grew old waiting for the Factions to get done so our characters can partake in faction activities (Aside from Zoblus leaving my char to get screwed every way)

I'm thinking of a system of meetings and conversations where the RPers already know what each character involved is going to say and they write the reaction in a single post. That way the RP won't be paralyzed by someone sleeping in or being too busy.

I know it's going to be slightly odd and characters might not be portrayed as the RPer wants, but I do follow a 'script' based interaction with 'conclusions', meaning that it can be closed within 2 days, instead of one block of response every 7-9 hours.

But I understand it needs a strong degree of trust, that the controlled RPer won't feel done in with mannerisms which doesn't seem to follow the character.

[Ghondra]

I'm thinking of a system of meetings and conversations where the RPers already know what each character involved is going to say and they write the reaction in a single post. That way the RP won't be paralyzed by someone sleeping in or being too busy.

I know it's going to be slightly odd and characters might not be portrayed as the RPer wants, but I do follow a 'script' based interaction with 'conclusions', meaning that it can be closed within 2 days, instead of one block of response every 7-9 hours.

But I understand it needs a strong degree of trust, that the controlled RPer won't feel done in with mannerisms which doesn't seem to follow the character.

Agreed. Script-based is the fastest and most efficient. But as you said there needs to be trust. And the post doesn't have to be written by one person, could be multiple contributions.

Or alternatively, we write it in chapters. Everybody makes a contribution and every 3-5 days to a week we post a chapter in the IC. Each chapter have multiple POVs and the plot is discussed in the OOC.

[Relikai]

I know it's going to be slightly odd and characters might not be portrayed as the RPer wants, but I do follow a 'script' based interaction with 'conclusions', meaning that it can be closed within 2 days, instead of one block of response every 7-9 hours.

But I understand it needs a strong degree of trust, that the controlled RPer won't feel done in with mannerisms which doesn't seem to follow the character.

Agreed. Script-based is the fastest and most efficient. But as you said there needs to be trust. And the post doesn't have to be written by one person, could be multiple contributions.

Or alternatively, we write it in chapters. Everybody makes a contribution and every 3-5 days to a week we post a chapter in the IC. Each chapter have multiple POVs and the plot is discussed in the OOC.

Hmm, not too sure of the Chapter style, because when it comes to action and communicating scenes, might want to extend it a little (In post length and description, not scene time). But I'm here to stay \o/

[Argentumurbem]

I know that this will get shot down but why not attempt an RP revolving around the fall of the Empire?

The characters are nobles/generals with their own legions on the eve of the Reaver's invasion.
- You have character interaction between the various generals and the royal family.
- You have command of a professional army each
- While some legions are stronger than others (I would propose that be decided by OP/CO-OPs beforehand) victory in a 1v1 fight is based on modifiers outwith the actual number/type of soldiers (so a great general with the smaller, experienced legion and terrain advantage will defeat the larger, tired legion)
- This promotes the creating of bonds between various generals, as well as backroom dealings and treachery.
- Yes in my head is the years between Caesar's death and the rise of Octavian, with special mention to Pompey's son Sextus.

My thoughts on why this would be a good start:
- The roleplay is not reliant on a single event. While yes if a player you are trying to bribe over to your side goes dark you will then have to change/work without it the greater majority of characters/players will not be tied up.
- Equal opportunity. Granted even in the beginning there will be several clear "factions" created (lets face it, probably based on OCC reasons with IC reasons tacked on) but as with all factions there will be weak links, there will be personal ambitions and rivalries to be exploited.
- Fluid. This kind of links to the two previous but since everyone has a legion to their name they have as much martial authority (if anyone has read aSoIaF then Varys' riddle about power - just because one character was legally the consul {insert canon title} of all legions - doesn't mean that the other legions have to pander to him. If anything it is the other way around.
- Creates a firm foundation. This RP suggestion doesn't even have to be a long one, only carrying on until enough "background" has been generated. It could end with the Fall of Bismarck, the infighting between the legions having thrown away any chance of opposing the Reaver's invasion - or indeed couple carry on for a little while as the legions recover to drive back the Reavers. It could end with a specific battle, the usurper (a royal family member but not of the main branch) and the pretender's (one of the legion commanders with designs on the throne) legions fighting over the ruins of the capital with the victor laying claim to the former Imperial domains - or could continue to look at how the victor secured their position as the defeated claimant continues to try and win support. It could end with the successful flight of the true Emperor and the few legions still loyal to him - or indeed carry on to him settling himself in to the new royal lands.
- It is the end of an Empire. The fall of empires are always a turbulent time, exponentially true for the old guard (our characters) and this could easily be harnessed with "admin" intervention in order to bring the country alive. Example:
Imagine a player, commanding the illustrious 7th "Unbowed" Legion. His legion has never been defeated in a pitched battle and the legate is a tested warhero. However, they have been known to be very distant to the locals, stealing their wares and throwing them out of their homes to make lodgings for the soldiers. A part of life, you could easily argue.
Now the player has decided to throw himself in a desperate gambit against a second player. He plans to bait the second player (who commands three legions (with their player commanders as allies/vassals))with a portion of his army in the town he is reportedly staying while the main strength will steal a march, unite with a gathering of fresh recruits/allies and deliver a long-arcing strike in to the enemy legions.
Admin steps in and explains how the roads the player is attempting to march across is full of refugees and the townspeople he had previously displaced, slowing down his march no matter what decision he made (through the townspeople off the road, take the cavalry and link with the legions, turn around while sending messengers to relay commands etc). While the player can still quite possibly win the battle, there have been a few factors changed outwith their control.
Same situation. The player, commands the 2nd "Pride" Legion. His legion is badly under strength from a defeat not too long before. However he has also secured an alliance with the local magistrate/noble, who was put in charge by himself after killing the previous one. This was a political move in order to win the loyalty of the locals. He and his legion also pay handsomely for both supplies and information, as well as accepting all recruits. This means that he and his legion have at least some support and loyalty from the townsfolk. He decides on the same plan.
Admin steps in. The townsfolk offer up information about the roads leading towards the town. They have sealed off all but one by causing rockslides (if you have ever read King of Thorns that rockslide is what I mean) and are willing to help create a "funnel" for the enemy to move down to reach the town center. The road away from the town is clear enough not to hinder movement. Battle is probably more likely to succeed.
Of course that is just a clean-cut example.

[Ghondra]

I know that this will get shot down but why not attempt an RP revolving around the fall of the Empire?

The characters are nobles/generals with their own legions on the eve of the Reaver's invasion.
- You have character interaction between the various generals and the royal family.
- You have command of a professional army each
- While some legions are stronger than others (I would propose that be decided by OP/CO-OPs beforehand) victory in a 1v1 fight is based on modifiers outwith the actual number/type of soldiers (so a great general with the smaller, experienced legion and terrain advantage will defeat the larger, tired legion)
- This promotes the creating of bonds between various generals, as well as backroom dealings and treachery.
- Yes in my head is the years between Caesar's death and the rise of Octavian, with special mention to Pompey's son Sextus.

My thoughts on why this would be a good start:
- The roleplay is not reliant on a single event. While yes if a player you are trying to bribe over to your side goes dark you will then have to change/work without it the greater majority of characters/players will not be tied up.
- Equal opportunity. Granted even in the beginning there will be several clear "factions" created (lets face it, probably based on OCC reasons with IC reasons tacked on) but as with all factions there will be weak links, there will be personal ambitions and rivalries to be exploited.
- Fluid. This kind of links to the two previous but since everyone has a legion to their name they have as much martial authority (if anyone has read aSoIaF then Varys' riddle about power - just because one character was legally the consul {insert canon title} of all legions - doesn't mean that the other legions have to pander to him. If anything it is the other way around.
- Creates a firm foundation. This RP suggestion doesn't even have to be a long one, only carrying on until enough "background" has been generated. It could end with the Fall of Bismarck, the infighting between the legions having thrown away any chance of opposing the Reaver's invasion - or indeed couple carry on for a little while as the legions recover to drive back the Reavers. It could end with a specific battle, the usurper (a royal family member but not of the main branch) and the pretender's (one of the legion commanders with designs on the throne) legions fighting over the ruins of the capital with the victor laying claim to the former Imperial domains - or could continue to look at how the victor secured their position as the defeated claimant continues to try and win support. It could end with the successful flight of the true Emperor and the few legions still loyal to him - or indeed carry on to him settling himself in to the new royal lands.
- It is the end of an Empire. The fall of empires are always a turbulent time, exponentially true for the old guard (our characters) and this could easily be harnessed with "admin" intervention in order to bring the country alive. Example:
Imagine a player, commanding the illustrious 7th "Unbowed" Legion. His legion has never been defeated in a pitched battle and the legate is a tested warhero. However, they have been known to be very distant to the locals, stealing their wares and throwing them out of their homes to make lodgings for the soldiers. A part of life, you could easily argue.
Now the player has decided to throw himself in a desperate gambit against a second player. He plans to bait the second player (who commands three legions (with their player commanders as allies/vassals))with a portion of his army in the town he is reportedly staying while the main strength will steal a march, unite with a gathering of fresh recruits/allies and deliver a long-arcing strike in to the enemy legions.
Admin steps in and explains how the roads the player is attempting to march across is full of refugees and the townspeople he had previously displaced, slowing down his march no matter what decision he made (through the townspeople off the road, take the cavalry and link with the legions, turn around while sending messengers to relay commands etc). While the player can still quite possibly win the battle, there have been a few factors changed outwith their control.
Same situation. The player, commands the 2nd "Pride" Legion. His legion is badly under strength from a defeat not too long before. However he has also secured an alliance with the local magistrate/noble, who was put in charge by himself after killing the previous one. This was a political move in order to win the loyalty of the locals. He and his legion also pay handsomely for both supplies and information, as well as accepting all recruits. This means that he and his legion have at least some support and loyalty from the townsfolk. He decides on the same plan.
Admin steps in. The townsfolk offer up information about the roads leading towards the town. They have sealed off all but one by causing rockslides (if you have ever read King of Thorns that rockslide is what I mean) and are willing to help create a "funnel" for the enemy to move down to reach the town center. The road away from the town is clear enough not to hinder movement. Battle is probably more likely to succeed.
Of course that is just a clean-cut example.

...Wow, nice one Argent. I'll certainly think about it. Could be a good idea for a prequel. As you said, it generates background and a more in-depth universe.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

I would play that

[Relikai]

Speaking about OP and Co-Op duties, we really need y'all to be DMs to push the story, whose words on the storyline and IC propels us forward. Give us results of our actions, stupid or not, and we'll realise that one human should not rush a bunch of monsters alone

[Ghondra]

Speaking about OP and Co-Op duties, we really need y'all to be DMs to push the story, whose words on the storyline and IC propels us forward. Give us results of our actions, stupid or not, and we'll realise that one human should not rush a bunch of monsters alone

It depends on Timezones. We need Co-Ops for Europe, North America, and Asia/Australia Timezones if we want constant or near constant activity in the RP.

[Relikai]

Speaking about OP and Co-Op duties, we really need y'all to be DMs to push the story, whose words on the storyline and IC propels us forward. Give us results of our actions, stupid or not, and we'll realise that one human should not rush a bunch of monsters alone

It depends on Timezones. We need Co-Ops for Europe, North America, and Asia/Australia Timezones if we want constant or near constant activity in the RP.

I mean, your RP, your story. It's a lot of responsibilities, creating encounters, situations and all.

[Ghondra]

It depends on Timezones. We need Co-Ops for Europe, North America, and Asia/Australia Timezones if we want constant or near constant activity in the RP.

I mean, your RP, your story. It's a lot of responsibilities, creating encounters, situations and all.

Yeah. And I'm gonna have to delegate that to Co-OPs. Someone who understands the setting and the rules. I can't always be active so I need Co-OPs. Encounters and Situations are largely player made unless it affects the overarching story, where everyone decides where to go. I maintain veto powers of course. This story can change from a Sandbox to a Railroad.

[Relikai]

Yep, a semi-railroad with side stories is good. Players who have large plots can send to you for approval first.

[Ghondra]

Yep, a semi-railroad with side stories is good. Players who have large plots can send to you for approval first.

Exactly.

[Mesrane]

I'm totally for rebooting this. Argent's suggestion sounds fine to me.

[Ghondra]

Guys I have began revising the OP but I need a new starting point for the plot. I been mulling over the conclave idea and I realized that it is fundamentally flawed because of the Independence of the Independent Kings, that said I need a new plot. Any ideas?

[Ghondra]

An RP I'm doing on the side while I develop the reboot. Check it out
viewtopic.php?t=374065&f=31&view=unread#unread

[Mesrane]

Guys I have began revising the OP but I need a new starting point for the plot. I been mulling over the conclave idea and I realized that it is fundamentally flawed because of the Independence of the Independent Kings, that said I need a new plot. Any ideas?

You may want to try some sort of civil war earlier in the old Empire's history, before it fell. Perhaps have 3-5 established claimants just before war breaks out, so people coalesce (hopefully) behind established sides instead of going every-man-for-himself.

[Ghondra]

Guys I have began revising the OP but I need a new starting point for the plot. I been mulling over the conclave idea and I realized that it is fundamentally flawed because of the Independence of the Independent Kings, that said I need a new plot. Any ideas?

You may want to try some sort of civil war earlier in the old Empire's history, before it fell. Perhaps have 3-5 established claimants just before war breaks out, so people coalesce (hopefully) behind established sides instead of going every-man-for-himself.

Sounds too much like To Fell/Shred An Empire. If your familiar with it.

[Mesrane]

You may want to try some sort of civil war earlier in the old Empire's history, before it fell. Perhaps have 3-5 established claimants just before war breaks out, so people coalesce (hopefully) behind established sides instead of going every-man-for-himself.

Sounds too much like To Fell/Shred An Empire. If your familiar with it.

I participated in all three iterations, but that's fair. It suffered from the same problems, even in the third (and most successful) version.

Honestly, in my opinion there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with this RP's original plot aside from the conclave, which bogs us down. If the Reavers moved a lot faster and started striking targets right from the get-go (which did not happen originally), I think that would produce a lot more action and activity.

[Ghondra]

Sounds too much like To Fell/Shred An Empire. If your familiar with it.

I participated in all three iterations, but that's fair. It suffered from the same problems, even in the third (and most successful) version.

Honestly, in my opinion there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with this RP's original plot aside from the conclave, which bogs us down. If the Reavers moved a lot faster and started striking targets right from the get-go (which did not happen originally), I think that would produce a lot more action and activity.

All right. Thanks Mesrane, that does sound faster. Maybe at some point one of the Kings asks for help because of an attack by Reavers on one of the cities of his realm.

[Ghondra]

ANNOUNCEMENT:
Instead of rebooting this RP, I will instead be making an RP Group and Worldbuilding project after finishing my current RP: The Next War, you are all invited to join the RP Group when it becomes active and you are all welcomed to join The Next War, link above.

[Relikai]

All the best! Will be staying with Char RPs.

Hope the RP goes well, with smooth assimilation of players and good conduct in the OOC!

[Ghondra]

All the best! Will be staying with Char RPs.

Hope the RP goes well, with smooth assimilation of players and good conduct in the OOC!

hehe, hope you join the RP Group when I start it though. It'll probably start with a Char focused RP during the Great Migration (read: Invasion) of the Bismarckers.