North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[The Princes of the Universe]

If any Republican wins the presidency, this shit will wind up becoming federal law. Those fuckers have already gerrymandered their way to a permanent House majority and I don't see them losing the Senate. At least most of the Democrats pretend to give two fucks about us (I'm still not convinced it's more than a vote-getting gimmick).

If they abuse such access, arrest them. Don't oppress transgender people out of some misguided prudishness.

I would not consider forcing people to use the bathroom of their own gender as oppression. If it only makes people feel extremely uncomfortable, and really does no help to our society, then why on Earth would we allow such a thing to occur? When we see that a piece of legislation does more harm then good, then it must be shot down.

A trans woman is a woman. A trans man is a man. Get the fucking hell over it.

[Galloism]

Except the bill is prohibiting people from using the bathroom of their own gender.

No, the bill is enforcing you to use the bathroom of your own gender. Not the one you chose, your actual biological gender.

You're confusing biological sex and gender.

We're not even sure biological gender exists as such. Gender probably exists as a combination of biological and sociological factors.

[Kannap]

But the problem this law poses is that there are now many post-op trans people who are legally required to use the bathroom of the sex they were born as. Women now legally required to use the men's restroom and men now legally required to use the women's bathroom. Are they going to obey this law? Probably not, because being post-op they can pass as their gender. However, it is a completely idiotic law that has the potential to endanger countless trans people.

Post-op I could understand, because externally they are usually indistinguishable from their desired gender. However, pre-op, when things are a bit more obvious, then I believe that that should not be allowed.

I think you fail to realize how well trans people can dress in such a way that you would never know they are anything but their identified gender. A trans person should be allowed to use the restroom of their gender, regardless of whether they're pre-op or post-op

[Republic of the Cristo]

If any Republican wins the presidency, this shit will wind up becoming federal law. Those fuckers have already gerrymandered their way to a permanent House majority and I don't see them losing the Senate. At least most of the Democrats pretend to give two fucks about us (I'm still not convinced it's more than a vote-getting gimmick).

I would not consider forcing people to use the bathroom of their own gender as oppression. If it only makes people feel extremely uncomfortable, and really does no help to our society, then why on Earth would we allow such a thing to occur? When we see that a piece of legislation does more harm then good, then it must be shot down.

A trans woman is a woman. A trans man is a man. Get the fucking hell over it.

No, I will not play along. If you want to dress up and call yourself a women or a man, fine. But once you start making people extremely uncomfortable, then you need to back off a bit.

[The Princes of the Universe]

A trans woman is a woman. A trans man is a man. Get the fucking hell over it.

No, I will not play along. If you want to dress up and call yourself a women or a man, fine. But once you start making people extremely uncomfortable, then you need to back off a bit.

There is no playing here except on your end, honey.

[Galloism]

If any Republican wins the presidency, this shit will wind up becoming federal law. Those fuckers have already gerrymandered their way to a permanent House majority and I don't see them losing the Senate. At least most of the Democrats pretend to give two fucks about us (I'm still not convinced it's more than a vote-getting gimmick).


A trans woman is a woman. A trans man is a man. Get the fucking hell over it.

No, I will not play along. If you want to dress up and call yourself a women or a man, fine. But once you start making people extremely uncomfortable, then you need to back off a bit.

People who want to control what bathroom people use make me uncomfortable, and should be kept out of the same bathroom I use.

[Wallenburg]

I would not consider forcing people to use the bathroom of their own gender as oppression. If it only makes people feel extremely uncomfortable, and really does no help to our society, then why on Earth would we allow such a thing to occur?

Our default position should not be to ban something simply because you cannot prove that it is not of merit. When I discuss MineCraft with people, it usually only makes them uncomfortable, and it doesn't help society. Should I be banned from talking about my video game preferences?

When we see that a piece of legislation does more harm then good, then it must be shot down.

Yes, I agree, this state bill should be shot down.

[Lady Scylla]

So when are Christians going to leave? Quite the damage and loss of life over a fantasy, bout time we pass legislation to prevent them from entering hospitals, and other non-religious places. They should only go to premises of their belief.

Funny thing is, we are the ones more often then not running these hospitals.

And since America is not giving any special privileges to the church over the rest of the nation, your point is null and void ( not to mention completely immature).

Is it? The LGBT community has had to fight for recognition to be treated fairly. People have died for some of the ground-breaking legislation. If the US wasn't giving the Church any "special privilege" there sure is a lot of idiotic legislation being passed around by religious conservatives. But that's not the problem here, oh no. It's a shame, that we still have to fight for civil rights, and liberties that should've been guaranteed to us the moment several people sat in a room, and drafted the DoI.

And it's quite funny, it's hilarious, that the group most staunchly opposed to it, are from the same group that are held to their own sort of 'fantasy'. That have caused strife, wars, and harm to people across this planet for centuries, all in the name of their fantasy. Statistically speaking, Christianity has had a much larger track record of being detrimental to the well-being of individuals, than the LGBT community could ever hope for. If anything, maybe groups should look up to Christianity as a beacon, a sort of guiding light. "This is how you subjugate people"

It's fair to assume that Christianity is something you follow. So it's fair to assume that it is apart of your identity. And yes, I am attacking your identity. How does that feel? Does it upset you? Maybe it makes you feel a bit angry. That's completely understandable, because as I see it currently, this 'fantasy' of yours, has been the greatest mistake, and the greatest threat to the progression of not only civil equality and progression, but human society as a whole. But that's not how this whole game is played, is it? Oh no.

The LGBT community is a threat. That's how many religious conservatives against the community see us. We're a threat, a threat to what prestige and privilege you've enjoyed. God forbid, seriously, God forbid we actually take teaching of philanthropy as a guide-book over whatever bullshit fantasy and good could possibly come of following Christianity. For a group of people that so staunchly voice themselves as "Good Christians", I've never seen more hatred, aggression, harm, and overall vile come out of people's mouths that uttered such. It's as if you've got a handshake waiting for us in one hand, and a knife in the other.

Now, given, not all Christians are this way, and I fully acknowledge that. However, it's quite clear with religious conservatives that try to suppress anything that threatens them, that maybe they should change their idol. Judas seems far more fitting. Maybe Cane, it would be more fitting. "Backstabbers of Humanity". Maybe we should shut down Churches. They sponsor this kind of nonsense, they'll preach friendship and love at the sermon, then turn around and call us faggots, or try and kick us down at any moment.

Maybe they should be arrested for display of public depravity. Lock 'em up. Attempts to incite a revolt, or civil disturbance. Political dissent. People could form groups, bands of people, go out and find Christians, beat them senseless, take pictures and laugh about it. Boiling water seems to be in style now. No, seriously, perfectly in style.

What's that, son? You're Christian? Pack your shit and get the fuck out. Maybe the police can get in on the show as well. Beating people to death for merely following their beliefs. This is perfectly acceptable now, or maybe this is in style.

Does that upset you? It should. Because this is just a mere taste of the violence, and bullshit we've had to deal with. You, and your group, haven't been an oppressed minority in the Western World for a very, very long time. It's the 21st century, and we're having to fight for fairness and equality in a time when that should've been settled for everyone (INCLUDING African-Americans) in 1776.

If any Republican wins the presidency, this shit will wind up becoming federal law. Those fuckers have already gerrymandered their way to a permanent House majority and I don't see them losing the Senate. At least most of the Democrats pretend to give two fucks about us (I'm still not convinced it's more than a vote-getting gimmick).


A trans woman is a woman. A trans man is a man. Get the fucking hell over it.

No, I will not play along. If you want to dress up and call yourself a women or a man, fine. But once you start making people extremely uncomfortable, then you need to back off a bit.

There's something to be said about a child who would rather hang themselves from their ceiling fan, than deal with being considered extremely uncomfortable, and a disappointment to their Christian parents.

[Wallenburg]

If any Republican wins the presidency, this shit will wind up becoming federal law. Those fuckers have already gerrymandered their way to a permanent House majority and I don't see them losing the Senate. At least most of the Democrats pretend to give two fucks about us (I'm still not convinced it's more than a vote-getting gimmick).


A trans woman is a woman. A trans man is a man. Get the fucking hell over it.

No, I will not play along. If you want to dress up and call yourself a women or a man, fine. But once you start making people extremely uncomfortable, then you need to back off a bit.

You're starting to sound like a conservative SJW.

"This makes me uncomfortable. BAN IT!!!"

[The Princes of the Universe]

People who want to control what bathroom people use make me uncomfortable, and should be kept out of the same bathroom I use.

Why do we even gender-segregate bathrooms anyway? When you gotta go, a toilet's a toilet. I don't give a fuck about who's in the next stall and, really, neither should anyone else.

[Republic of the Cristo]

No, the bill is enforcing you to use the bathroom of your own gender. Not the one you chose, your actual biological gender.

You're confusing biological sex and gender.

We're not even sure biological gender exists as such. Gender probably exists as a combination of biological and sociological factors.

Sex then. I get confused by the two as they are often used interchangeably. We are certain however as to sex ( the reproductive organs of our body). This law mandates that you use the bathroom of your original sex.

[Wallenburg]

You're confusing biological sex and gender.

We're not even sure biological gender exists as such. Gender probably exists as a combination of biological and sociological factors.

Sex then. I get confused by the two as they are often used interchangeably. We are certain however as to sex ( the reproductive organs of our body). This law mandates that you use the bathroom of your original sex.

And what if you have had SRS? Now you are of one gender and the traditionally corresponding sex, yet you are forced to enter the bathroom for the opposite sex. While we're at it, why not force all women to use men's restrooms? Or the other way around?

[Kannap]

You're confusing biological sex and gender.

We're not even sure biological gender exists as such. Gender probably exists as a combination of biological and sociological factors.

Sex then. I get confused by the two as they are often used interchangeably. We are certain however as to sex ( the reproductive organs of our body). This law mandates that you use the bathroom of your original sex.

Which is strictly discriminatory to transgender people, which is why it is a problem

[Republic of the Cristo]

Post-op I could understand, because externally they are usually indistinguishable from their desired gender. However, pre-op, when things are a bit more obvious, then I believe that that should not be allowed.

I think you fail to realize how well trans people can dress in such a way that you would never know they are anything but their identified gender. A trans person should be allowed to use the restroom of their gender, regardless of whether they're pre-op or post-op

Some perhaps, but I have yet to meet one. So no, on the grounds that it makes others in the restroom very uncomfortable and that there is the possibility of abuse of the privilege by males I will have to approve the bill.

I will not be responding further as I am appearing to be dog piled by ten other people.

[Kannap]

People who want to control what bathroom people use make me uncomfortable, and should be kept out of the same bathroom I use.

Why do we even gender-segregate bathrooms anyway? When you gotta go, a toilet's a toilet. I don't give a fuck about who's in the next stall and, really, neither should anyone else.

You can't expect me to want a woman on the other end of the glory hole, can you? No way!

[Galloism]

You're confusing biological sex and gender.

We're not even sure biological gender exists as such. Gender probably exists as a combination of biological and sociological factors.

Sex then. I get confused by the two as they are often used interchangeably. We are certain however as to sex ( the reproductive organs of our body). This law mandates that you use the bathroom of your original sex.

They really aren't used interchangeably anymore.

In any case, that's a very silly law.

[Lady Scylla]

Sex then. I get confused by the two as they are often used interchangeably. We are certain however as to sex ( the reproductive organs of our body). This law mandates that you use the bathroom of your original sex.

They really aren't used interchangeably anymore.

In any case, that's a very silly law.

This guy actually has an Imgur account IIRC.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Why do we even gender-segregate bathrooms anyway? When you gotta go, a toilet's a toilet. I don't give a fuck about who's in the next stall and, really, neither should anyone else.

You can't expect me to want a woman on the other end of the glory hole, can you? No way!

That's disgusting.

[Kannap]

I think you fail to realize how well trans people can dress in such a way that you would never know they are anything but their identified gender. A trans person should be allowed to use the restroom of their gender, regardless of whether they're pre-op or post-op

Some perhaps, but I have yet to meet one. So no, on the grounds that it makes others in the restroom very uncomfortable and that there is the possibility of abuse of the privilege by males I will have to approve the bill.

I will not be responding further as I am appearing to be dog piled by ten other people.

If you are uncomfortable because of somebody else's presence in the restroom, then just don't use public restrooms. Simple solution. If there is any abuse by males, simply arrest them for the crimes they commit. Likewise, any woman who abuses the system to sexually assault males in the restroom should receive likewise consequence.

I wouldn't say you're being dog piled upon. You've got an opinion that you are debating against people - at least one of which who lives in North Carolina - that have differing opinions. If your opinion is so flimsy as to just give up debating it, then perhaps it's possible you know your stance is the wrong one.

[Donut section]

Wait other people's comfort is important when choosing which restroom people use?

[Liriena]

the possibility of abuse of the privilege by males

Bullcrap. If this were an actual possibility, there would be a visible pattern of said abuses taking place in regions with anti-discrimination policies.

[Kannap]

Wait other people's comfort is important when choosing which restroom people use?

According to Governor McCrory, sure.

[Lady Scylla]

You can't expect me to want a woman on the other end of the glory hole, can you? No way!

That's disgusting.

Imagine people's surprise when the Glory Hole was in fact a hole full of pudding.

[Grenartia]

Churches pay no taxes. Roman Catholic clergy can invoke the "seal of the confessional" if a parishioner tells them of a crime they've committed. Anyway, is there an epidemic of trans people running amok in restrooms in North Carolina, that there is a need for this legislation?

Churches pay no taxes because they double as charities ( you know funding: schools, libraries, hospitals, homeless shelters, orphanages, nursing homes, rehab centers, etc.); this is something every charitable organization experiences and is not exclusive to them. And the seal of the confessional is no different from Joe Shmo refusing to report a crime to the police, which is completely legal. And I do not live in North Carolina, so I do not know their situation; but considering that the current piece of legislation is being brought up it must have happened enough to be noticed.

No, it hasn't. Its just Republican lawmakers creating a solution to a nonexistent problem.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Wait other people's comfort is important when choosing which restroom people use?

According to Governor McCrory, sure.

Fuck that guy. With the biggest, sharpest cactus you can find.