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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Shazbotdom » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:51 pm

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FROM THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
MR. KENNITH G. TERRANCE

We feel that the saftey of our citizens as well. But as we feel that the people of your nation that support the current anti-semetic regeme are a threat to the saftey of the people of the Shazbotdom Empire, we will do whatever we feel is nessicary to protect our people and if that is holding your people are enemy combatants due to your "War Against Religion", then so be it. The people of the Empire have spoken, and this is their decision so this will be done.

If you have any problem with that, then please direct all grievances to the Department of Greivances within the Shazbotdom Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They will get back to you within the next 96 hours.
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby East Luisa » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:54 pm

Raimistan wrote:To The Leader of East Luisa,

It would seem our countries are fated to come together, so I accept your request to join in our conference. However, in an effort to keep the opinions balanced, I will be inviting a fourth party. I will contact you both with the information for the meeting at a later date.


To: Raimistan

I thank you for our gracious acceptance of our offer. However, I too would like to invite another, that being the leader of the Aaronian Empire. If at all possible, could we also add the leader of North Defese to the list, assuming he isn't your fourth party?

If not, I understand fully.

Thank you,
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby East Luisa » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:56 pm

To: North Defese

I would like to point out that I do not, in any way, support the incarceration of your citizens in other lands. Therefore, I do not approve, condone, or support Shatzbotdom in his effort to guard against North Defesian citizens
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Rhodmhire » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:56 pm

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As President, I condemn this action. However I respect it as your nation's sovereign decision.

We in Rhodmhire respect everyone's right to practice their various religious beliefs, for it hasn't affected us in any way at all.

We don't wish to take action against this decision, but we find it highly foolish and don't wish for other nations to follow in your footsteps.

Sincerely,


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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Serbian_Soviet_Union » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:02 pm

IC: We are very horrified to hear that such a law has been enacted to ban all religion form in North Defese and that human rights are being violated in North Defese. We offer our strongest condemnation form and as of now FSSU has put an embargo and economic sanction's on the North Defese. Any of the North Defesian vessels found inside FSSU waters, close to the waters or in the international waters, we will board in and arrest those that are in the war against religion. Any form of resistance, we will be force to sink North Defesian vessels.
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby North Defese » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:11 pm

Official Communication to Serbian_Soviet_Union



Any attempt to board a Defesian vessel in international water's will be considered a declaration of war. Any attempt to hinder the movement of Defesian ship's will also be taken as hostile action, and we will retaliate in force.


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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Serbian_Soviet_Union » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:33 pm

North Defese wrote:
Official Communication to Serbian_Soviet_Union



Any attempt to board a Defesian vessel in international water's will be considered a declaration of war. Any attempt to hinder the movement of Defesian ship's will also be taken as hostile action, and we will retaliate in force.


Chancellor Palpentine


We are practicing our sovereign rights not to allow any of the North Defesian vessels to cross our territorial waters or anywhere near our territorial waters which would be considered as an act of border violation and an violation of the economic sanctions and embargos put on the North Defese over the ban of all religious forms and violating human rights.

Any declaration of war against the Federation of the Serbian Soviet Union will be met with the full force of the Serbian Soviet Union.

If there is any problem with all of this i suggest contacting the Ministry of Foreign Relations and they will get back to you within 24-48 hours. Untill then, the blockade remains the same from the Maritime water's territorial, Airspace and territory.
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Jenrak » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:54 am

By Word of the Amalgamate,
her Gracious and ever Merciful Rashkta Nirandu


To ban religion? How does one ban an entire base of faith, where the secular makings of a government is capable to rid those of their items and idolatry, but make nothing of the faith of the people? A census is merely words punched into the infinity of words that are no more than blotches of ink on paper. A small stain of waste on a ghost forest, my dear friend. You have done nothing more than angered those who attempt to worship their deity dutifully, and you have done nothing other than to disrupt the spiritual makings of the populace. Religion can never be quashed, and while the effects of porcelain, plastic, glass and minted water may be rid of, you cannot deprive your people of their ethereal well-being.

This is an appalling nature of events, and I cannot forgive your actions, nor the idiocy of your decisions.

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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby North Defese » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:37 am

Official Defesian announcement

Several foreign powers have asked that we, the people of Defese, give a reason for the banning of religion, claiming it is a 'basic human right' to believe in magical men in the sky, so we have asked the Senate to make public the issue's they discussed when the legislation came into place:


The intolerance of homosexual couples within the nation, and the several incidents where church members grouped with the intent of harrassing said couples

Including the outragous demands by the church to execute 'dissidents'

The view's of the church, which conflict with the socialistic idea's of the nation, have been deemed a threat to the people of Defese, and the employer's that hire them

~

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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Sanctus-Terra » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:38 am

( OOCly directs North Defese to Religious pact thread so he can accept or decline IC offer )
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Shazbotdom » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:44 pm

SHAZBOTDOM NEWS NETWORK
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"Greetings and welcome to Shazbotdom news Network's News at 3pm.[float=right]Image[/float] I am Thomas Vercetti and today we have a special show for you as we are going to bring you live to a special military operation that is being conducted within the Empire by the Shazbotdom Marine Corps' SCS Division. These highly trained troops are the Shazbotdom Empire's most elite division of the Marine Corps. Trained in several secluded facilities that are spread throughout the Empire, they are the group that is called in to perform anything from special protection of a dignitary to helping the police raid buildings and criminal residences. But before we go to that, first we have some local news to go over..."

20 minutes goes by

"...thank you for that weather report, Ken. Hold on," he touches his ear like he's listening to something. "Our producer says that the SCS marines are on the move. Lets go live to them in the field."

[float=left]Image[/float]The camera image changes to the view from the back of a WH-03 Troop Transport Warthog as it drives across town. In the background you can hear the voice of Special Segment Reporter Samantha Cortez. "Currently the SCS Marines are on 94th Street, but we are heading to the residence of someone who is currently wanted by Law Enforcement Agencies within Shaz City. They became wanted due to special circumstances surrounding international happenings," she says as you can see an SCS Marine checking his weapon.

"According to our sources within the Imperial Palace, the circumstanes are that by order of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, all those associated with North Defese were ordered out of the country within a 24 hour time frame. No documentaton was found this morning on one Defesian who came into the country on a 18 month work visa last year leaving the Empire." The camera bounces up and down as they hit a speed bump along the road. "This SCS Marine fireteam is heading to aprehend the man and transport him to a military holding facility until a Tribunal is convenied for him to stand charges of violating the order."

The camera angle adjusts sligthly. "There's the suspects house in the distance. We have, under authorization from the Ministry of the Military, been given authorization to place a small video camera inside the helmet of two of the SCS Marines so we can see what they see.

The vehicle then turns down a street. "I hear now that we are approaching the place of residence and that police have been watching the house from an undisclosed location and they reported that the suspect has arrived home from work just 40 minutes ago." The vehicle then turns again as it's front right wheel bounces up onto the curb and comes to a stop.

"We are now switching to the helmet cameras."

The video changes to that of inside two helmets with the polarized glass in front of it on either side of the television. One SCS Marine is running towards the front door of the house while the other jumps the fence on the side of the house and runs to the back door. Each looks at the team of two that is assembled with them then back to the door. Two feet are seen, one on either side of the TV, as the doors are kicked in. The house is rather large, a three story bicentennial, for a man who makes his salary.

The two camera's turn quickly but the High Def camera's keep up with all the tracking as the barels of the guns are seen, tracing each room that they go through, looking for the suspect. A hand motion is made as each marine moves room to room looking for him. After a while they reach the last door in the house, which leads to the attic. Both helmet cams are pointed towards the same door. Slowly an SCS Marine's hand moves it's way forward on both sides of the television and it grasps the handle of the door and opens it.

The SCS Marines then slowly make their way up the staircase into the attic to find the man standing in the opposing corner of the attic grasping a shotgun in his hands. He fires quickly at the SCS Marines, of whom duck and take flack from the shotgun in the shoulderpads of their armor. One of the SCS Marine's guns trains on the man and you hear three shots as flash comes out the barrel of his weapon. The mans leg flies backwards as he is hit with the tripple shot from the XR-01 "Crimson" BattleRifle and he loses his grip on his shotgun.

The man falls face first to the ground as the other SCS Marines are seen on both sides of the television moving in on the suspect. He tries to reach for the shotgun but the armored foot of an SCS Marine moves forward and kicks the shotgun across the room towards the camera-clad marines.

The video feed on the television then switches back to the camera outside that was in the Warthog. Samantha Cortez was now standing in front of the camera. "What powerful footage of a military excersize."


The video then switches to a split view of Samantha on the left and Tom on the right. "Thank you for that Sam. Is there any word on where he is to be taken before the Tribunal can be conviened?"

"Not as of yet. From what I can understand, he will most likely be held at the detention facility at Fort Wood until the Tribunal"


Sam then disappears off the side as Tom takes up the entire television. "Thank you again for that special segment Sam." Tom then rotates in his chair and camera angles switch to compensate. "Now time for weather. From the weather desk here is..."
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby North Defese » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:01 pm

Chancellor Nathaniel was sitting as his polished desk in his office, sipping on herbal tea, trying to relax after dealing with the Senate all day.
"One more statement on the blasted Moralite incident and I swear im going to retire."

An aide entered the room suddenly, causing Nathaniel to jump slightly in his chair, narrowly avoiding a spill on his pants.

"Mr. Chancellor," The aide slightly bowed, her long blonde hair falling in front of her face, when she straightened up, she blew it out of her way before speaking.

"A nation known as..." She checked her clipboard, "Shazbotdom, have detained a Defesian citizen within their nation."

Nathaniel placed the tea on his desk, and leaned foward, obviously troubled.

"We believe it's due to the massive deportation process they began," She continued, "The man was wounded and is now being transported too~" She checked her clipboard again, "Fort Wood to await trial."

"Hmm..." The Chanceller pondered, tapping his chin thoughtfully before directing his attention back to the aide.

"Thank you Mrs. Wilde, your dismissed," He waved her away.
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Official Defesian announcement

As written by Chancellor Nathaniel Pierce
We, the people of Defese, are outraged by the fact Shazbotdom has assaulted and deported Defesian's within their border's, and show even greater anger at the recent capture of one of our citizen by Shazbotdom authorities. If this man is not released, along with all other Defesian citizen's currently in custudy, severe consequences will be administered.
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Shazbotdom » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:23 pm

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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS

My arn't we a bit hypocritical, Mr. Pierce? You claim that what you do within your nation is up for you to decide and that no one should tell you what to do, and yet you are now attempting to order the people of my nation what they should do? Your just reaking of hypocracy that it is hilarious beyond belief.

The arrests will continue as warranted by the mandate issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. There is nothing that you or your nation can do to stop it. That is the will of the people and we will do what the people want.
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Postby Allied Governments » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:38 pm

The Federation notes that, although Defese is declaring itself atheist, it does so with religious fervor.

Is the lack of religion, and the enforcement and "worship" of that lack, not a religion unto itself?
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Postby L3 Communications » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:48 pm

Allied Governments wrote:The Federation notes that, although Defese is declaring itself atheist, it does so with religious fervor.

Is the lack of religion, and the enforcement and "worship" of that lack, not a religion unto itself?


((OOC: No it's not. You contradicted yourself in that sentence, too.))
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Unce (Ancient) » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:59 pm

North Defese wrote:
Defese International Announcment

After several debate's within the Senate, the Defesian goverment find's it necessary, for the safety and productivity of the workforce and general population, if organized religion be banned inside Defesian territory. All church's within Defesian border's will be demolished and replaced with goverment approved housing, or other miscellaneous items.

Religious item's are banned from corperate workplace's, and any worker found in possession of said item is liable for contract termination.

The gathering of person's with the intent of teaching illegal work's, I.E. any religious text's, are liable for a fine of 10,000 credits and incarceration.

'Street Preaching' is punishible by a fine and incarceration.

Any religious items must be kept inside said person's housing and contact the authorities immediately for removal of said item.





If defense bans religion then i believe this government will get out of control. But if defense maintains control of religion then this government will be unbearable to live in. My government and i believe you are trying to run a fascist government. Long Live The Reich!

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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Guthatopia » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:10 pm

It is my opinion, as is it the opinion of our senate and a vast majority of our people, that any military involvement against North Defese would be foolish. Although Guthatopia supports human rights 100%, we all have allies and enemies, and the smallest conflict could easily turn into an enormous bloody war.

Many Guthatopians have friends and family living in your countries, and would hate to see them become victims of an avoidable violence. I will personally act as a moderate party to help calm and bring compromise to some of the issues that are quickly becoming a danger. I can only hope my previous diplomatic experience will help.

I can promise Guthatopia will cease trade with any nation of either side if this does escalate into war.

I will be attending Raimistan's conference.

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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Allied Governments » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:13 pm

As long as my tourists are allowed to return to The Federation, then I can tolerate this (Expats, on the other hand, are viewed as traitors and thus are not allowed to come back.)
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:15 pm

From: The Department of Foreign Affairs: Political and Civil Rights Division, The Romulan Republic,

To: The Government of Defese:

This Administration whole-heartedly condemn this decision by the government of Defese, which represents an unacceptable violation of the rights of all sentient beings to freedom of expression and belief. The Republic calls Defese to recognize that many organized religions may express moderate views which in no way threaten the stability of a free society as this new policy does, and moreover urges Defese to reconsider this decision, lest it result in greater sectarian conflict within Defese and establish your nation as a pariah on the global stage.

Signed, Deputy Secretary Lawrence Ardan, on behalf of President Hernandez.
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Postby Czechomany » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:22 pm

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Postby Milks Empire » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:27 pm

Official Communique from Emperor Charles I
"We in the Milks domains practice publicly an apathetic agnosticism while leaving the individuals to believe as they will. As such, our doors are open to anyone from Defese who wishes to enter so that he or she may practice freely. The Senate and Diet have passed a joint resolution condemning this act, a resolution I sign with disgust at its necessity."

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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Ravea » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:28 pm

Telegram To:North Defese
Telegram From:The Ravean Authority


The Authority wonders why North Defese has banned Religion, and condemns the action. Governments, by definition, should not mandate what its people should or should not believe. Any contact or trade Ravea has with North Defese will be terminated, effective immediately. The Authority also expresses its interested to join Raimistan's conference as an observer, or possibly a mediator.

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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby North Defese » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:29 pm

Official Defesian announcement
Following severe international pressure, the Senate, against a protesting Chancellor, have recalled the Senate to hammer out another vote on repealing the ban on organized religion. If the veto is passed, the ban will be lifted and the remaining church's will be allowed to continue service.
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Re: Defese bans religion

Postby Zicrious » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:32 pm

North Defese has Zicrious support.

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