Why Should Muslims Be Allowed In the West?

[Striton]

Why should you be allowed in the West, OP?

[Wallenburg]

Are you against the amount of immigration or the existence of Muslims in the West?

I'm against the very existence of Islam in the West. History tells us that Islam is dangerous. Muslims are dangerous. They have always been and continue to be a threat against the West.

You deny this? Open up a history book.

But let's ignore this. Even barring that, is it wise to let so many uneducated Muslims from the Middle East, in which these sorts of crimes are very common, into the West?

Is it really surprising that Europe is going to Hell in a hand-basket because of these people?

*clears throat*

I'm against the very existence of Christianity in the West. History tells us that Christianity is dangerous. Christians are dangerous. They have always been and continue to be a threat against the West.

You deny this? Open up a history book.

But let's ignore this. Even barring that, is it wise to let so many uneducated Christians into the West?

Is it really surprising that Europe is going to Hell in a hand-basket because of these people?

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[Kubra]

Are you against the amount of immigration or the existence of Muslims in the West?

I'm against the very existence of Islam in the West. History tells us that Islam is dangerous. Muslims are dangerous. They have always been and continue to be a threat against the West.

You deny this? Open up a history book.

But let's ignore this. Even barring that, is it wise to let so many uneducated Muslims from the Middle East, in which these sorts of crimes are very common, into the West?

Is it really surprising that Europe is going to Hell in a hand-basket because of these people?

lol if we gonna go with something as vague as "history" as westerners are pretty much the best motherfuckers at killing on the planet, especially each other
if anything, we should be outbred by muslims, if that's our metric.

[Jochistan]

Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

moslem is a race?

No. But let's face it, Tartars, Bosniaks, Albanians (and many Persians and Turks if they dressed in nice enough suits) would remain untouched by far righters as long as they never brought it up.

And saying any major religion that varied needs to be removed is pretty over the top

[New confederate ramenia]

The issues with Islam in Europe are caused by the way liberal European governments handle Muslims. And any reasonable person should accept that argument from the NRA, because it's entirely valid.

Not all immigration is illegal immigration.

Well obviously, but can't we at least let the Arab Christians in?

Of course we should.

[Mega City 5]

eh, dunno.

Of course, I'm not sure how you test it someone's Muslim or not. Make them eat pork maybe?

I propose a "Muslim shibboleth" test:

Give the immigrant a beer and a bacon cheeseburger and make sure that he consumes them both. Further demand that he burn a Quran and call Mohammad a disgusting child rapist.

He does those things? Let him in.

He refuses to do at least 2 out of 4 of those things? Summary execution.

[Kubra]

The issues with Islam in Europe are caused by the way liberal European governments handle Muslims. And any reasonable person should accept that argument from the NRA, because it's entirely valid.

Not all immigration is illegal immigration.

Well obviously, but can't we at least let the Arab Christians in?

why on earth would you wana let arab christians in?

[Grinning Dragon]

Yes. I do not want to unconstitutionally restrict people from going places. Let them go wherever they want to. Free country.

How does someone have Constitutional protections if they are immigrating TO the United States?

[Distruzio]

Well obviously, but can't we at least let the Arab Christians in?

Of course we should.

Seconded.

[Distruzio]

eh, dunno.

Of course, I'm not sure how you test it someone's Muslim or not. Make them eat pork maybe?

I propose a "Muslim shibboleth" test:

Give the Muslim a beer and a bacon cheeseburger and make sure that he consumes them both. Further demand that he burn a Quran and call Mohammad a disgusting child rapist.

He does those things? Let him in.

He refuses to do at least 3 out of 5 of those things? Summary execution.

Amend that. Immediately.

[Terminus Alpha]

Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

Forgive me if I'm not particularly convinced by your cries of "racism."

The effects/consequences of Islamic immigration, the impact of letting Muslims into Europe and the US is undeniable.

Again, I repeat:

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It would be the rape capital of the world, but South Africa, I believe, currently holds that title.

And again:

Do you accept that argument from the NRA?

First off - I now have "sex crimes per capita" in my search history.

Anyway, you point about the ebil mooslim hivemind raping all of Sweden is moot because:

1. "In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics"
2. It's definition of rape is different that other countries.

Are you against the amount of immigration or the existence of Muslims in the West?

I'm against the very existence of Islam in the West. History tells us that Islam is dangerous. Muslims are dangerous. They have always been and continue to be a threat against the West.

You deny this? Open up a history book.

But let's ignore this. Even barring that, is it wise to let so many uneducated Muslims from the Middle East, in which these sorts of crimes are very common, into the West?

Is it really surprising that Europe is going to Hell in a hand-basket because of these people?

Al-Andalus don't real. Muslim Golden Age don't real. Algebra don't real. Our numerical system don't real.

History is way more complex than the clash of civilizations model that you think in. Pretty much every event has nuance.

[Galloism]

eh, dunno.

Of course, I'm not sure how you test it someone's Muslim or not. Make them eat pork maybe?

I propose a "Muslim shibboleth" test:

Give the Muslim a beer and a bacon cheeseburger and make sure that he consumes them both. Further demand that he burn a Quran and call Mohammad a disgusting child rapist.

He does those things? Let him in.

He refuses to do at least 3 out of 5 of those things? Summary execution.

What kind of beer and where's the cheeseburger from?

*I* might fail the test depending on your answers.

[Mega City 5]

Amend that. Immediately.

I'm proposing this as a measure for the State to take. I see no reason to amend it.

[Distruzio]

Amend that. Immediately.

I'm proposing this as a measure for the State to take. I see no reason to amend it.

It walks a dangerous line towards violating site rules.

[Crockerland]

Saying all Muslims should be banned from a certain country is racist. You cannot generalize an entire ethic group based on the actions of a few bad apples.

Good thing muslim isn't an ethnic group then.

[Mega City 5]

What kind of beer and where's the cheeseburger from?

*I* might fail the test depending on your answers.

Are you willing to burn a Quran and call Mohammad a disgusting child rapist?

[Alyakia]

you know what? fuck it. consider my fucks officially fully expended. are you from the country that regularly has mass shootings? (or at least, much more than every other country? and more shootings in general?) a country that has the same murder rate as us... but only when we're in the middle of an honest to god civil war? give me one good reason why i shouldn't ban the hell out of people from the united states from coming here, right now, it's pretty fucking clear from the statistics that people from that country pose a higher threat of violence, rape and murder. you can go "b-but but but" or "but we're rich and white!" but as the right-wing loves to say, the statistics don't lie.

and don't give me this pish about how oh the muslims are worse. remember that fucking civil war? yeah, it seems like most of the funding and weapons dried up after 9/11. i wonder why that was? oh, wait, the united states was one of the main sources of political and material support for one of the most prolific terrorist grounds in this country's history? banned banned banned. and that's not even getting into direct political meddling and all the damaging ideologies that have been imported from there.

i mean, i guess we could go along with banning the muslims, but please be 100% aware that you're getting banned as well. i'd be fucking insane not to.

i assume you're american based on your use of liberals. if you're not, then i apologize. american cultural influence has overtaken our own to the point our political terms have been replaced by theirs to the point that people sound like americans and talk like amerincns using american political terms and fighting american political battles without even knowing. just yet another reason they must be banned.

[Luminesa]

eh, dunno.

Of course, I'm not sure how you test it someone's Muslim or not. Make them eat pork maybe?

I propose a "Muslim shibboleth" test:

Give the immigrant a beer and a bacon cheeseburger and make sure that he consumes them both. Further demand that he burn a Quran and call Mohammad a disgusting child rapist.

He does those things? Let him in.

He refuses to do at least 3 out of 5 of those things? Summary execution.

That's a violation of the First Amendment. You can't force anyone to burn their holy book or to stuff food down their throat.

And SUMMARY EXECUTION?!?!?!

Yes, because summary execution is definitely not what ISIS does on a daily basis.

[Kubra]

eh, dunno.

Of course, I'm not sure how you test it someone's Muslim or not. Make them eat pork maybe?

I propose a "Muslim shibboleth" test:

Give the immigrant a beer and a bacon cheeseburger and make sure that he consumes them both. Further demand that he burn a Quran and call Mohammad a disgusting child rapist.

He does those things? Let him in.

He refuses to do at least 2 out of 4 of those things? Summary execution.

I don't get it
is making this sort of thread some sort of ritual sudoku when ones gets tired of the forums?

[Geilinor]

What kind of beer and where's the cheeseburger from?

*I* might fail the test depending on your answers.

Are you willing to burn a Quran and call Mohammad a disgusting child rapist?

I'm not him, but no, I'm not willing to.

[MacFee]

Why do liberals think that it's a good idea to permit Muslims to immigrate into the West in such massive numbers?

Because their homes, livelihoods, and families are being destroyed.

Conservatives have been insisting, over and over again, that if we let in Muslims into the US and Europe, we are going to see more crime, more terrorism, and more problems for us.

And they have supplied zero evidence for that.

The liberals, of course, seem to think that this won't happen, and imply that we are bigots and racists for even thinking that.

Well, I'd like to see how that isn't bigoted or racist, considering "Muslim" is being equated with "Arab" and vice versa.

Well, lo and behold, there are more and more Muslims in Europe, and we are seeing more and more crime, more rape, and a whole bunch of other problems that didn't use to be there. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe because of Muslims.

I don't see a rise in crime. And I'd like to see a study tying rape in Sweden to Muslim immigration.

And when we point out things like this, liberals seem to have no coherent answer for us. The most that you people can muster is: "But it's only a small minority. Most of them aren't like that. If you want to get rid of all of them because of the actions of a few, then you are a racist!"

Well, that is racist. Care to explain how it isn't?

Meanwhile, of course, they would never accept this argument from the NRA: "But only a small minority of guns are used for illegal activities. Most gun owners are responsible. If you want to pass stricter laws for all gun-owners because of the actions of a few, then you are anti-freedom, anti-self defense and anti-constitution!"

I accept that.

The simple fact is this:

"Small minority" or not, Europe (and soon, I bet, the US) is facing problems that it didn't have to face before, and the cause of these problems is Islamic immigration.

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They need to get out and stay out. Period. End of story.

Including Muslim citizens?

You disagree with me? Then that just tells me that you value this "diversity" liberal nonsense more than you actually value law, order and safety.

"If you disagree with me, you're an idiot!" isn't a very convincing argument.

So, again, I ask you:

Why do you think this is a good idea? What are your arguments in favor of this?

Because their homes, livelihoods, and families are being destroyed.

We can deport them. And we should. Because it says in the Koran that you can have four wives, own slaves, rape children under the age of ten, behead nonbelievers, and smoke hashish. And they still do all that. Unlike most American WASPS, they still obey their religious tenants with a fanaticism unheard of in the civilized world.

[Mega City 5]

I'm proposing this as a measure for the State to take. I see no reason to amend it.

It walks a dangerous line towards violating site rules.

If a country has a law forbidding Xs from entering a country, and an X, being aware of this, is attempting to lie in order to get into that country, he is committing a crime.

If saying that a criminal should be executed is against the site rules, then I couldn't care less whether or not I'm violating them.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

I'm proposing this as a measure for the State to take. I see no reason to amend it.

It walks a dangerous line towards violating site rules.

I already reported it, in case you were wondering.

[Crockerland]

you know what? fuck it. consider my fucks officially fully expended. are you from the country that regularly has mass shootings? (or at least, much more than every other country? and more shootings in general?) a country that has the same murder rate as us... but only when we're in the middle of an honest to god civil war? give me one good reason why i shouldn't ban the hell out of people from the united states from coming here, right now, it's pretty fucking clear from the statistics that people from that country pose a higher threat of violence, rape and murder. you can go "b-but but but" or "but we're rich and white!" but as the right-wing loves to say, the statistics don't lie.

Please point to the verse in the united states holybook that calls citizens of the United States to commit mass shootings or murder people and I will gladly agree with your proposed ban.

[Striton]

The OP is suggesting that the U.S. become a terrorist regime. I say no.