European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Vistulange]

edit 2: Whites were enslaved by middle easterners a long time ago, but you don't see whites bitching about that do you?

If you think that Europe is at fault for the state of the middle east today, then why do you not demand for example, that the Islamic world pay Spain reparations for when they invaded and conquered the Iberian peninsula?

Pray tell, what social, political, economic and cultural problems is Spain experiencing as a result of Islamic colonization and settlement of Spain?

[Teemant]

So this is personal. You just have a grudge against Europe and want bad to all of Europe and people who live there.
If there is no ban then how can you say there is oppression. You can't say nothing clear. At first they are being denied then you say there is nothing official and now you say that the society is to blame. What???????

I have a grudge against Europe? No, I'm actually very pro-Europe, I actually have a grudge against the United States, but history is right there. How the fuck did you ascertain from my post that I have a grudge against Europe? Europeans colonized the Middle-East, they drew artificial borders and exploited the people there, they supported - along with the U.S - the bloody dictatorships that these people are fleeing from in the first place, and now it's coming back around to bite them in the ass. Surprised? Are you really surprised, Teemant, that the sins of the fathers came back to bite the sons in the proverbial arse?

Stop playing stupid, Teemant. Life is not made up of only formal laws. There are societies and pressures societies exert upon their members. In order for a society to live in harmony and make progress, conflict must be minimal. If there is conflict within society, it will build up. In order to avoid conflict, you have to eliminate problems within society, an example of which is culture difference and culture shock. Keeping them away from Europe is not an option. They will flee to the nearest place they see where people live a good life and they will not stay in the hellholes where hundreds of innocent people die every day; it's the most basic human survival instinct. These people are willing to die on the sea, which they do, to get to Europe, where they assume they will be safe, and - unless you take up guns and shoot them yourselves - you aren't preventing them from getting to Europe, so stop with that wet dream.

Instead of working to bridge the gaps between cultures, Europe did, for most part, "meh, let them hang around" - which is not productive in any way and nowadays, "THEY'RE EVIL KEEP THEM OUT", which is infeasible and delusional, practically speaking.

If you are talking about the refugees, they're not supposed to become "Syrian-Germans" or "Iraqi-Germans". Under the laws of asylum - that have been cited on this very thread - shelter is to be given for the duration of the conflict in their home countries, until they can return home. They are not permanent immigrants.

When they've been around for so long, you have to work long-term. Perhaps the terminology I used was incorrect, but if the mindset stays like that - treating them as merely guests who'll be around for a month, or a year, Europe will have more problems. The civil war in Syria will not end for some time, Balt, nor will ISIS. And it certainly shouldn't be ended by the West.

Sins of the fathers came back? Obviously Baltic nations were a huge colonial forces with international reach back in the 18th century.
It seems that you have something against Europeans because you clearly want current Europeans taught lesson or suffer for something done hundreds of years ago. This seems like a grudge and because of that I assume it is.

Socities pressure? Kids have a pressure to do well in school too. There are all kinds of pressures and norms in society and nothing can be done about them. Even countries like Sweden which are very welcome and open towards migrants have problems with integrating them.
You are talking like it is only blame of Europeans that things have turned out as they have. But it's not. Sometimes migrants don't even want to integrate. You should start considering the latter as an option as well.

I don't think that they will flee to a nearest place with a decent life. There are many decent countries besides Germany as well but somehow everyone wants to get there. Might it be because of social welfare system?

[Vistulange]

Yes, yes, just get over the total destabilization of your country, a devastating process of imperialism that still echoes into present day events, and the hypocrisy of the nations that invaded you and colonized you yet can't stand it when you come to their countries for legitimate reasons.

If you can't recover a country over the course of multiple decades, or even centuries, it's not the fault of the nation that screwed you hundreds of years ago. Look at Germany, they recovered from the shitstorm that was WW2, you don't see Germany being a poor country and bitching about how they are victims of a 70 year old conflict, they got over it and recovered

Germany received a huge amount of Western aid and was a necessary ally in the Cold War as a bulwark against the Warsaw Pact. Different circumstances, different geopolitical situations. You are comparing apples with oranges right now.

[Reagan-land]

Well the democrats in the US congress blocked a bill making a investigation of said pieces of candy more thorugh

Because the investigation was already so thorough that only an idiot would try to use the refugee process to commit an act of terror.

Looks like it doesn't work. Oh well, time to not let them in so it doesn't backfire. And you know that refugees themselves are admitting to having vast numbers of terrorists in their ranks blending in?

[Wallenburg]

Yes, yes, just get over the total destabilization of your country, a devastating process of imperialism that still echoes into present day events, and the hypocrisy of the nations that invaded you and colonized you yet can't stand it when you come to their countries for legitimate reasons.

If you can't recover a country over the course of multiple decades, or even centuries, it's not the fault of the nation that screwed you hundreds of years ago. Look at Germany, they recovered from the shitstorm that was WW2, you don't see Germany being a poor country and bitching about how they are victims of a 70 year old conflict, they got over it and recovered

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
Also, you don't see them bitching because they began the shitstorm in the first place.

[Zrhajan]

Yes, yes, just get over the total destabilization of your country, a devastating process of imperialism that still echoes into present day events, and the hypocrisy of the nations that invaded you and colonized you yet can't stand it when you come to their countries for legitimate reasons.

If you can't recover a country over the course of multiple decades, or even centuries, it's not the fault of the nation that screwed you hundreds of years ago. Look at Germany, they recovered from the shitstorm that was WW2, you don't see Germany being a poor country and bitching about how they are victims of a 70 year old conflict, they got over it and recovered

Yeah, firstly, they were the instigators of that conflict. Secondly, the Germans got something that various Arab nations never got. the Marshall Plan. that is a rather major factor. Also, the middle east was decolonized after WWII, so they've technically had slightly less time to recover than Germany. lrn2histry

[Rio Cana]

Germany and the other EU. nations that have taken in thousands of Syrian refugees have there work cut out for them. The very high educated and rich will most likely blend in while those with less education will take some time. What you must watch out for are little Damascus neighborhoods that might prop up in parts of the EU. People in such neighborhoods could be alienated by the main culture.

If the Syrians were culturally similar to the culture of Europe then things might not be so problematic. But having said that just ask the East Germans how they feel they have been treated by the richer and more populated Western Germany. Before German takes in millions of foreigners they should have made sure that east German was intergrated on equal footing with West Germany both economical and socially. In other words, how can you help anyone if your own house has problems.

Watch this on East and West Germany still divided - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9vRsWIN-kI

[Wallenburg]

Because the investigation was already so thorough that only an idiot would try to use the refugee process to commit an act of terror.

Looks like it doesn't work. Oh well, time to not let them in so it doesn't backfire. And you know that refugees themselves are admitting to having vast numbers of terrorists in their ranks blending in?

Please tell me, where and when has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

[Reagan-land]

If you can't recover a country over the course of multiple decades, or even centuries, it's not the fault of the nation that screwed you hundreds of years ago. Look at Germany, they recovered from the shitstorm that was WW2, you don't see Germany being a poor country and bitching about how they are victims of a 70 year old conflict, they got over it and recovered

Germany received a huge amount of Western aid and was a necessary ally in the Cold War as a bulwark against the Warsaw Pact. Different circumstances, different geopolitical situations. You are comparing apples with oranges right now.

Well how about after WW1 when they had a massive debt and still got their economy back on track in the form of the third reich?

edit: I'm not supporting the third reich I'm just drawing attention to the fact that they regrew their ecnonomy from a depression

[Italios]

Good to see we've acknowledged that leftists have a heart and therefore sympathise with those fleeing from war-torn, poverty-stricken lives instead of barring them from a chance to get a better life purely because of some individuals in the said group of people have committed crimes, and they're suddenly different than all the other people in religious/ethnic/racial/etc. groups and deserve to be generalised.

No, the left is just going to leave native European citizens to rot while they continue to give more and more to the immigrants coming in and making more "accommodations" for them, and whenever the immigrants commit crime they won't be prosecuted at the same rate as natives or it will just be dismissed with remarks such as- "oh- they don't know any better, it is just apart of their culture."

I understand your concern in keeping things equal when it comes to being persecuted for a crime, but that's not really how it works.

I also fail how letting immigrants come in leaves the natives to rot. As someone who lives in a major city, I can safely say foreigners only enhance the experience of living in one: gives one a chance to expose themselves to new cultures instead of living in a stupid bubble of irrational superiority that you seem to treasure.

[Reagan-land]

Looks like it doesn't work. Oh well, time to not let them in so it doesn't backfire. And you know that refugees themselves are admitting to having vast numbers of terrorists in their ranks blending in?

Please tell me, where and when has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

Two "refugees" were caught and arrested, and San Bernadino attack

edit: once again your in denial, similar to the rest of your leftist comrades. as the title suggests

[Zrhajan]

Germany received a huge amount of Western aid and was a necessary ally in the Cold War as a bulwark against the Warsaw Pact. Different circumstances, different geopolitical situations. You are comparing apples with oranges right now.

Well how about after WW1 when they had a massive debt and still got their economy back on track in the form of the third reich?

edit: I'm not supporting the third reich I'm just drawing attention to the fact that they regrew their ecnonomy from a depression

the economy of the third reich was mostly supported by defense spending, if they had won, the economy would have maybe stayed stable because of all the new resources, but it would likely have shrunk significantly relatively quickly.

[Wallenburg]

Please tell me, where and when has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

Two "refugees" were caught and arrested, and San Bernadino attack

Don't drag me up Bullshit Mountain, please. Those attackers were not refugees. One was a natural-born citizen, one was the wife of that citizen.

[Conserative Morality]

Please tell me, where and when has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

Two "refugees" were caught and arrested, and San Bernadino attack

edit: once again your in denial, similar to the rest of your leftist comrades. as the title suggests

Are you fucking kidding me?

The shooters were one NATIVE BORN AMERICAN and a naturalized immigrant that came here through a MARRIAGE VISA.

[Reagan-land]

Well how about after WW1 when they had a massive debt and still got their economy back on track in the form of the third reich?

edit: I'm not supporting the third reich I'm just drawing attention to the fact that they regrew their ecnonomy from a depression

the economy of the third reich was mostly supported by defense spending, if they had won, the economy would have maybe stayed stable because of all the new resources, but it would likely have shrunk significantly relatively quickly.

Point being, they recovered from a depression. Possibilites of vast post war economic reform is possible, but lets not get off topic

[Vassenor]

Please tell me, where and when has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

Two "refugees" were caught and arrested, and San Bernadino attack

edit: once again your in denial, similar to the rest of your leftist comrades. as the title suggests

Farook was an American-born U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent, who worked as a health department employee. Malik was a Pakistani-born lawful permanent resident of the United States.

So again we ask: When has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

[Reagan-land]

Two "refugees" were caught and arrested, and San Bernadino attack

edit: once again your in denial, similar to the rest of your leftist comrades. as the title suggests

Are you fucking kidding me?

The shooters were one NATIVE BORN AMERICAN and a naturalized immigrant that came here through a MARRIAGE VISA.

Then refer to the rest of the many examples in Europe and the Paris attacks.

[Saiwania]

Don't drag me up Bullshit Mountain, please. Those attackers were not refugees. One was a natural-born citizen, one was the wife of that citizen.

The fact that one of them came in on a marriage visa shows that the marriage visa process must not work. I disagree with someone being let in just because a native citizen wants to marry them.

[Reagan-land]

Two "refugees" were caught and arrested, and San Bernadino attack

edit: once again your in denial, similar to the rest of your leftist comrades. as the title suggests

Farook was an American-born U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent, who worked as a health department employee. Malik was a Pakistani-born lawful permanent resident of the United States.

So again we ask: When has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

Two were caught before they could act

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... d-charges/

[Vistulange]

I have a grudge against Europe? No, I'm actually very pro-Europe, I actually have a grudge against the United States, but history is right there. How the fuck did you ascertain from my post that I have a grudge against Europe? Europeans colonized the Middle-East, they drew artificial borders and exploited the people there, they supported - along with the U.S - the bloody dictatorships that these people are fleeing from in the first place, and now it's coming back around to bite them in the ass. Surprised? Are you really surprised, Teemant, that the sins of the fathers came back to bite the sons in the proverbial arse?

Stop playing stupid, Teemant. Life is not made up of only formal laws. There are societies and pressures societies exert upon their members. In order for a society to live in harmony and make progress, conflict must be minimal. If there is conflict within society, it will build up. In order to avoid conflict, you have to eliminate problems within society, an example of which is culture difference and culture shock. Keeping them away from Europe is not an option. They will flee to the nearest place they see where people live a good life and they will not stay in the hellholes where hundreds of innocent people die every day; it's the most basic human survival instinct. These people are willing to die on the sea, which they do, to get to Europe, where they assume they will be safe, and - unless you take up guns and shoot them yourselves - you aren't preventing them from getting to Europe, so stop with that wet dream.

Instead of working to bridge the gaps between cultures, Europe did, for most part, "meh, let them hang around" - which is not productive in any way and nowadays, "THEY'RE EVIL KEEP THEM OUT", which is infeasible and delusional, practically speaking.



When they've been around for so long, you have to work long-term. Perhaps the terminology I used was incorrect, but if the mindset stays like that - treating them as merely guests who'll be around for a month, or a year, Europe will have more problems. The civil war in Syria will not end for some time, Balt, nor will ISIS. And it certainly shouldn't be ended by the West.

Sins of the fathers came back? Obviously Baltic nations were a huge colonial forces with international reach back in the 18th century.
It seems that you have something against Europeans because you clearly want current Europeans taught lesson or suffer for something done hundreds of years ago. This seems like a grudge and because of that I assume it is. Arabs conquered Spain in as well in 1st millenium AD. We can say that colonial age came back to bite?????

Socities pressure? Kids have a pressure to do well in school to. There are all kinds of pressures and norms in society and nothing can be done about them. Even countries like Sweden which are very welcome and open towards migrants have problems with integrating them.
You are talking like it is only blame of Europeans that things have turned out as they have. But it's not. Sometimes migrants don't even want to integrate. You should start considering the latter as an option as well.

I don't think that they will flee to a nearest place with a decent life. There are many decent countries besides Germany as well but somehow everyone wants to get there. Might it be because of social welfare system?

Baltics are in the whole mess it because they entered the EU and Schengen. If I'm not mistaken, that's done by referenda. In which case, you should look at your fellow countrymen who votes to enter the European Union and Schengen, as opposed to myself or other European powers. Also, Teemant, the time period we are talking about might seem distant, but it's barely a century ago, really. Not "hundreds of years" ago.

And for the third time in this thread, I am quoting myself:

Pray tell, what social, political, economic and cultural problems is Spain experiencing as a result of Islamic colonization and settlement of Spain?

The Middle-East is currently experiencing the consequences of European and Western actions during the post-WW1 and Cold War periods. What is Spain experiencing, from the Islamic civilization which existed there?

Read up on conflict theories and a bit of sociology in general before you talk about culture shock and cultural differences. It's not comparable nor relevant to students which are pressed to do better.

Germany is a lot better to live in than Italy or Greece, even for a migrant. You don't seem to understand that these are people who want to live good lives, as well, and once in Europe, they'll try to get to the best Europe has to offer. It's like telling a child to not get a sweet when it's literally in his reach. Useless and not based in reality.

[Wallenburg]

Don't drag me up Bullshit Mountain, please. Those attackers were not refugees. One was a natural-born citizen, one was the wife of that citizen.

The fact that one of them came in on a marriage visa shows that the marriage visa process must not work. I disagree with someone being let in just because a native citizen wants to marry them.

> Visa process is faulty
> Blames it on the refugee process
Also, they were already married when she came over, iirc.

[Zrhajan]

the economy of the third reich was mostly supported by defense spending, if they had won, the economy would have maybe stayed stable because of all the new resources, but it would likely have shrunk significantly relatively quickly.

Point being, they recovered from a depression. Possibilites of vast post war economic reform is possible, but lets not get off topic

Post-war is something significantly different to post-century-of-colonization. with the second, you not only have to set up decent infrastructure, but also a new government, new political stuffs and get all the foreign investors to keep investing in your country. It's a slight bit more difficult. Further, they "recovered" from a depression. the thing is that said recovery was unsustainable, it would have collapsed fairly soon, had the war not collapsed the nazis first.

[Ifreann]

Don't drag me up Bullshit Mountain, please. Those attackers were not refugees. One was a natural-born citizen, one was the wife of that citizen.

The fact that one of them came in on a marriage visa shows that the marriage visa process must not work. I disagree with someone being let in just because a native citizen wants to marry them.

Keep that in mind when you go trying to move to another country looking for white women to impregnate.

[Reagan-land]

The fact that one of them came in on a marriage visa shows that the marriage visa process must not work. I disagree with someone being let in just because a native citizen wants to marry them.

> Visa process is faulty
> Blames it on the refugee process
Also, they were already married when she came over, iirc.

awfully selective aren't we?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... d-charges/

[Italios]

Please tell me, where and when has a refugee in the US committed an act of terror?

Two "refugees" were caught and arrested, and San Bernadino attack

edit: once again your in denial, similar to the rest of your leftist comrades. as the title suggests

1. Your claim is factually incorrect as other users have explained for you.
2. Questions for you and anti-immigration folks alike: if some immigrants commit crime, why do you take that as a chance to generalise and claim that all immigrants have the potential to commit crime and turn them away for the actions of a select few? Let's say, theoretically, 1 in 100 Texans have committed a crime in their lifetime. Are you going to send them all to jail because of the actions of the few criminals? Because that's essentially what you're doing with immigrants.