Geniasis wrote:My Bible places Matthew somewhere around 85 CE.
Which only goes to show that we're not really sure. Anyway, "in the 40s" is certainly wrong, though some collection of stories about Jesus was probably circulating by then.
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by Farnhamia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:51 am
Geniasis wrote:My Bible places Matthew somewhere around 85 CE.
by Geniasis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:51 am
Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:The rich were different back then than they are now. Now they are hardworking, which is the only way to riches. Back in that day they got everything from family and were oppressive, most rich were--oh fuck it I dont know...
Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.
Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou
by Farnhamia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:54 am
Geniasis wrote:Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:The rich were different back then than they are now. Now they are hardworking, which is the only way to riches. Back in that day they got everything from family and were oppressive, most rich were--oh fuck it I dont know...
Actually, there's a non-insignificant amount of luck involved in becoming rich in the modern world. Other than that, there's inheriting it from family.
by Grave_n_idle » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:58 am
Farnhamia wrote:Geniasis wrote:Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:The rich were different back then than they are now. Now they are hardworking, which is the only way to riches. Back in that day they got everything from family and were oppressive, most rich were--oh fuck it I dont know...
Actually, there's a non-insignificant amount of luck involved in becoming rich in the modern world. Other than that, there's inheriting it from family.
Just so. You can work hard and get rich or you can inherit it from family. True now, true 2,000 years ago. Perspicacious Lawyers' statement is simply wrong.
by Perspicacious Lawyers » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:58 am
Geniasis wrote:Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:The rich were different back then than they are now. Now they are hardworking, which is the only way to riches. Back in that day they got everything from family and were oppressive, most rich were--oh fuck it I dont know...
Actually, there's a non-insignificant amount of luck involved in becoming rich in the modern world. Other than that, there's inheriting it from family.
by Class Warhair » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:00 am
Wilgrove wrote:Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:The rich were different back then than they are now. Now they are hardworking, which is the only way to riches. Back in that day they got everything from family and were oppressive, most rich were--oh fuck it I dont know...
Probably the most honest statement in this thread.
by Farnhamia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:00 am
Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:Geniasis wrote:Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:The rich were different back then than they are now. Now they are hardworking, which is the only way to riches. Back in that day they got everything from family and were oppressive, most rich were--oh fuck it I dont know...
Actually, there's a non-insignificant amount of luck involved in becoming rich in the modern world. Other than that, there's inheriting it from family.
Thats a pretty low %. Are you really damaging the reputation of people who get rich by hard work because of a few "lottery winners" or inheritances?
by Geniasis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:08 am
Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:Thats a pretty low %. Are you really damaging the reputation of people who get rich by hard work because of a few "lottery winners" or inheritances?
Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.
Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou
by Class Warhair » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:09 am
by The Tofu Islands » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:10 am
Geniasis wrote:It's not, but we're not thinking of luck the same way. In order to succeed financially, it is important to work hard, but that's not even close to the entire formula. Success also requires luck, that is, either having a sizable network of connections or being fortunate to be in the right place at the right time to stumble onto a window of opportunity.
by Geniasis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:20 am
The Tofu Islands wrote:Geniasis wrote:It's not, but we're not thinking of luck the same way. In order to succeed financially, it is important to work hard, but that's not even close to the entire formula. Success also requires luck, that is, either having a sizable network of connections or being fortunate to be in the right place at the right time to stumble onto a window of opportunity.
There's more luck to it than that. Being born in a developed country helps a lot. As does being the right race and sex.
Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.
Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou
by Sanctus Angelus » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:20 am
Dododecapod wrote:No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
A good communist wants everyone to have equal access to everything. Jesus wanted to have nothing.
by Panzerjaeger » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:23 am
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Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Grave_n_idle » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:25 am
Panzerjaeger wrote:Jesus was obviously a fascist. *nods*
by Panzerjaeger » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:27 am
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Geniasis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:27 am
Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.
Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou
by Class Warhair » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:31 am
Sanctus Angelus wrote:Dododecapod wrote:No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
A good communist wants everyone to have equal access to everything. Jesus wanted to have nothing.
Win. Next topic?
by Zeyad » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:31 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:You ever see a guy walking down the street, just swingin' his arms and yelling and you think, 'Man, is that guy getting swarmed by flies?' but you get up close to him and he's not. And you want to help out and go, 'Hey man, flies are pretty annoying and all, but...I don't see any flies,' but you know you're just as likely to take an elbow to your eyebone so you just keep walking?
by Class Warhair » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:33 am
Geniasis wrote:
He attacked the money lenders in the temple so... he hates... er... economic freedom?
by Panzerjaeger » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:34 am
Zeyad wrote:If I'm not mistaken (I probably am but regardless) that passage is often interpreted as a warning to concern about material things, lecturing as a spiritual adviser. If I recall in the passage regarding the camel going through the needle, did Jesus say anything like, "You -must- give up your money, furniture, ect. to the poor?". It's my understanding that overall, throughout the New Testament, the warning was how the concern of material things over spiritual things can lead you astray, not that having things was awful if someone else didn't.
If the above is true, the passage would be more of a test wouldn't you think? Can you let go of the things you typically care about for something you believe in?
And no, I don't believe it was Communist. Communism is a complex thing, but I believe that Jesus promoted a "live as you believe" sort of lifestyle. Sure he said a lot of what you ought to do and should do, and that if you were aiming for something spiritually then you should do this or not, but no one -had- to do anything.
If I'm not mistaken that is <.<;
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Panzerjaeger » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:34 am
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Dododecapod » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:36 am
Class Warhair wrote:Sanctus Angelus wrote:Dododecapod wrote:No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
A good communist wants everyone to have equal access to everything. Jesus wanted to have nothing.
Win. Next topic?
It's not perfect. "Equal access to everything" isn't really ownership. By not having the 'competetitive" satisfaction of extensive private ownership, communism is an ascetic ideal too.
They are different ideals, but by no means diametrically opposed. A good communist could also be an ascetic.
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by Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:38 am
Farnhamia wrote:Geniasis wrote:Bamabam wrote:
I am guessing your going to say the bible was written a couple hundred years later like most liberals like to tell me.But there is evidence outside the bible that some of the books could have been written around 40 A.D.Yes the bible its self wasnt put together since a long ways.But the scriptures are very factual,and timely in there writing by the actual people who claimed to write them.
Mark and Luke, the two earliest gospels, were written no earlier than 70 AD--about 30 years after the death after the death of Christ.
Matthew is the earliest, I believe, but there is so much material shared among Matthew, Mark and Luke that some scholars have postulated a separate collection of stories about Jesus that predates them all. The earliest date for Matthew is the 50s, but most favor a slightly later date, in the 60s.
by Panzerjaeger » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:39 am
Conservative Alliances wrote:No, he was not. His teachings had to do with a personal way of life, not an economic ideology. Simply donating money and possessions to the poor does not make one a communist. On the flip side, read Matthew 25:14-30 and try to explain how Jesus isn't a capitalist.
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
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