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by Wilgrove » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:51 am
by Glorious Homeland » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:55 am
Living Freedom Land wrote:Glorious Homeland wrote:Living Freedom Land wrote:The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.
Funny how the rich Americans always say that. But then America is a country that was founded by heretics. Socialism in the UK took a large amount of support from the likes of the Methodist church, which supported socialism on theological grounds.
America was not founded by heretics. Rather, Americans were fleeing heretical oppression.
In the Columbia Encyclopedia, it is stated that "Although not actively persecuted, the group was subjected to ecclesiastical investigation and to the mockery, criticism, and disfavor of their neighbors.".[12]
by Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:56 am
Tungookska wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.
you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?
by The Tofu Islands » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:57 am
Bamabam wrote:I think Jesus wants you to give out of your own heart not have a government steal it from you.He meant that you should stop caring after material things so much,because after you die it doesnt matter,so you should give away to those who need it more.
Bamabam wrote:Communism also is a secular government trying to build a utopia without God,which God warns against.
Bamabam wrote:God also many times in the bible talks laziness and warns against it,and says you should earn based off your work.Which is against marxism thought that all deserve equal pay no matter the work done.
Bamabam wrote:So i could say Jesus was a conservative with a very ,very warm giving heart.
by Dododecapod » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:58 am
by United Marktoria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:59 am
Conserative Morality wrote:He stares into your soul and says 'If you oppose Freedom, I will rip out your heart and fertilize my fields with your blood, afterwords, I will construct architectural marvels with your bones and write entire books on your cured skin.'
You can tell a lot about a man's intentions from his stare.
Ifreann wrote:I'm an atheist because God spoke to me through a burningpile of evidencebush and said unto me "Go forth, and piss my people off!".
by United Marktoria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:59 am
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Tungookska wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.
you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?
That's not a commune. That's a rugby team.
Conserative Morality wrote:He stares into your soul and says 'If you oppose Freedom, I will rip out your heart and fertilize my fields with your blood, afterwords, I will construct architectural marvels with your bones and write entire books on your cured skin.'
You can tell a lot about a man's intentions from his stare.
Ifreann wrote:I'm an atheist because God spoke to me through a burningpile of evidencebush and said unto me "Go forth, and piss my people off!".
by Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:59 am
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Tungookska wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.
you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?
That's not a commune. That's a rugby team.
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Proud member of the Vile Right-Wing Noodle Combat Division of the Imperialist Anti-Socialist Economic War Army Ground Force reporting in.
by Bamabam » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:07 am
The Tofu Islands wrote:Bamabam wrote:I think Jesus wants you to give out of your own heart not have a government steal it from you.He meant that you should stop caring after material things so much,because after you die it doesnt matter,so you should give away to those who need it more.
Communism can be voluntary. Plenty of communists (mostly of the libertarian and anarchist variety) would not want people to be required to participate against their will.Bamabam wrote:Communism also is a secular government trying to build a utopia without God,which God warns against.
No, it isn't. Communism is not inherently non-religious. There have existed religious communists of various sorts, such as the Diggers.Bamabam wrote:God also many times in the bible talks laziness and warns against it,and says you should earn based off your work.Which is against marxism thought that all deserve equal pay no matter the work done.
I kinda doubt that that is what Marxism requires. Besides, communism is not about equal pay regardless of work. A better summary would be "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" (which matches what the apostles did in Acts 4:32-35 very well).Bamabam wrote:So i could say Jesus was a conservative with a very ,very warm giving heart.
The second half of that is true, however he wasn't a conservative. The conservatives of that time (i.e. those who wanted to maintain the current social order) were the Pharisees.
by Bamabam » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:12 am
by Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:14 am
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Tungookska wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.
you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?
That's not a commune. That's a rugby team.
I knew there were hookers, but I had no idea they really meant prostitute.
by Dododecapod » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:20 am
Bamabam wrote:
I am guessing your going to say the bible was written a couple hundred years later like most liberals like to tell me.But there is evidence outside the bible that some of the books could have been written around 40 A.D.Yes the bible its self wasnt put together since a long ways.But the scriptures are very factual,and timely in there writing by the actual people who claimed to write them.
by The Tofu Islands » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:29 am
Bamabam wrote:I see what you are saying with Acts 4:32-35.But that is out of personal choice not a forced government law.
Bamabam wrote:And by conservative i meant compared to how we today call a "conservative" which is why i think many of todays conservatives are religious or at least claim to be christians.
by Farnhamia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:29 am
Bamabam wrote:
I am guessing your going to say the bible was written a couple hundred years later like most liberals like to tell me.But there is evidence outside the bible that some of the books could have been written around 40 A.D.Yes the bible its self wasnt put together since a long ways.But the scriptures are very factual,and timely in there writing by the actual people who claimed to write them.
by Class Warhair » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:31 am
Pandas and Heineken wrote:After watching some religious crap, it seems that Jesus hated the rich and loved the poor. To me, it seems that Jesus constantly stated that the rich had no power over the poor. Jesus even said himself:
"It's very hard for a rich man to get into Heaven. It's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle."
This says to me that unless you're poor, you're going to Hell. Thoughts?
NOTE: PLEASE DON'T TURN THIS INTO A RELIGION DISCUSSION!
by Geniasis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:35 am
Bamabam wrote:
I am guessing your going to say the bible was written a couple hundred years later like most liberals like to tell me.But there is evidence outside the bible that some of the books could have been written around 40 A.D.Yes the bible its self wasnt put together since a long ways.But the scriptures are very factual,and timely in there writing by the actual people who claimed to write them.
Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.
Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou
by Farnhamia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:39 am
Geniasis wrote:Bamabam wrote:
I am guessing your going to say the bible was written a couple hundred years later like most liberals like to tell me.But there is evidence outside the bible that some of the books could have been written around 40 A.D.Yes the bible its self wasnt put together since a long ways.But the scriptures are very factual,and timely in there writing by the actual people who claimed to write them.
Mark and Luke, the two earliest gospels, were written no earlier than 70 AD--about 30 years after the death after the death of Christ.
by Class Warhair » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:41 am
Wilgrove wrote:I think what Jesus was implying was that greed will keep you out of Heaven. You can be rich and not be greedy. I mean look at the millions, if not billions of dollars the Gates (Bill Gates and his wife) donate to charity every year, esp. to AIDS research and putting computers into the class room. Would you call them greedy?
by Geniasis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:41 am
Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.
Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou
by Perspicacious Lawyers » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:43 am
by Wilgrove » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:44 am
Perspicacious Lawyers wrote:The rich were different back then than they are now. Now they are hardworking, which is the only way to riches. Back in that day they got everything from family and were oppressive, most rich were--oh fuck it I dont know...
by Pandas and Heineken » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:49 am
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Lackadaisical2 wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Tungookska wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.
you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?
That's not a commune. That's a rugby team.
I knew there were hookers, but I had no idea they really meant prostitute.
Now you know.
by Grave_n_idle » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:50 am
Dododecapod wrote:No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
A good communist wants everyone to have equal access to everything. Jesus wanted to have nothing.
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