by New Vancouvia » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:33 pm
by Astrolinium » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:40 pm
by Tinfect » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:48 pm
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by New Vancouvia » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:51 pm
Tinfect wrote:"The Imperium sees no reason to utilize such 'renewable' sources, when the sole generator of energy used in the Imperium is Fusion. Fusion Reactors are far more efficient than any such 'renewable' sources, and have absolutely no environmental impact, save, perhaps, for the damage caused in the destruction of improperly maintained, or damaged reactors. However, such events have only been experienced by Military Vessels in combat, and have caused no environmental damage.
In conclusion, we will not devote resources to less effective methods of energy generation that provide absolutely no benefit to the Imperium, we are opposed."
by Tinfect » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:52 pm
New Vancouvia wrote:You're right. The term "clean" instead of "renewable" conveys what we're going for better
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by Wallenburg » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:09 pm
by Astrolinium » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:10 pm
Wallenburg wrote:"The Wallenburgian delegation sees no reason to oppose this proposal."
by Wallenburg » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:15 pm
by Wrapper » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:17 pm
by Tinfect » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:23 pm
Wrapper wrote:Astrolinium wrote:"Besides the fact that it doesn't actually do anything?"
We would be interested in hearing your suggestions on giving this proposal more teeth. That said, we cannot favor anything that would non-negotiably force us to share our clean energy technology, due to its potential for, erm, misuse.
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by John Turner » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:41 pm
John Turner wrote:Oh.... And it wasn't drafted on the forums. That makes it automatically illegal, doesn't it?
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:01 pm
Wrapper wrote:Astrolinium wrote:"Besides the fact that it doesn't actually do anything?"
We would be interested in hearing your suggestions on giving this proposal more teeth. That said, we cannot favor anything that would non-negotiably force us to share our clean energy technology, due to its potential for, erm, misuse.
by Astrolinium » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:46 pm
Wrapper wrote:Astrolinium wrote:"Besides the fact that it doesn't actually do anything?"
We would be interested in hearing your suggestions on giving this proposal more teeth. That said, we cannot favor anything that would non-negotiably force us to share our clean energy technology, due to its potential for, erm, misuse.
by New Vancouvia » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:27 pm
by Astrolinium » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:33 pm
New Vancouvia wrote:Obviously open to suggestions on strengthening it but I suspect the vast majority of nations would prefer a light resolution in this area
by Wallenburg » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:36 pm
New Vancouvia wrote:Requires that member nations which have efficient forms of clean energy available to them make a good faith effort to utilize these forms of energy in the most effective means possible;
by Astrolinium » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:50 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Astrolinium wrote:The resolution as it stands isn't "light", it's feeble. It doesn't actually make anyone do anything.
New Vancouvia wrote:Requires that member nations which have efficient forms of clean energy available to them make a good faith effort to utilize these forms of energy in the most effective means possible;
New Vancouvia wrote:make a good faith effort
by Wallenburg » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:00 pm
by Astrolinium » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:02 pm
by We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:08 am
Requires that member nations which have efficient forms of clean energy available to them make a good faith effort to utilize these forms of energy in the most effective means possible;
Praising the fact that some forms of clean energy such as solar photovoltaics can be implemented cheaply on a small-scale in rural areas, and are thus incredibly successful in bringing power to areas that may have lacked it otherwise;
Astrolinium wrote:"Urge, implore, and encourage are weak verbs, 'good faith effort' is a weak phrase, and this draft is attempting to weasel out of actually legislating anything as best as it can without technically violating the rules of this body. Deplorable, nothing more than Nat Sov trash."
by Araraukar » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:30 am
We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:Too many proposals, in the effort to be "strong" enough
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:32 pm
Araraukar wrote:We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:Too many proposals, in the effort to be "strong" enough
OOC: The problem here comes from the fact that, although Environmental has areas of effect, the mods have said before that All Businesses is basically "Strong", and thus the language and requirements of the proposal should reflect it. The specific categories may have "Mild" strength language. So either this proposal needs to actually make member nations DO something, or it needs to switch area of effect.
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:39 pm
We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: The problem here comes from the fact that, although Environmental has areas of effect, the mods have said before that All Businesses is basically "Strong", and thus the language and requirements of the proposal should reflect it. The specific categories may have "Mild" strength language. So either this proposal needs to actually make member nations DO something, or it needs to switch area of effect.
Could it be changed to "manufacturing" which would be by far the most heavily affected industry?and it's not like it doesn't make nations do anything Just because "be an unreasonable hard-ass" is not not among the requirements doesn't mean it's weak legislation.
by We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:11 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: That would exclude the Energy Production and Transmission industry, which is certainly not manufacturing, and would be, by far, the most important industry to consider. It isn't a NationStates industry, I'll admit
Separatist Peoples wrote:but as a worker where Energy and Environmental industries intersect, I would think that not addressing Production and Transmission would be a tremendous waste.
Separatist Peoples wrote:As such, the only way to effectively do this is to use All Business and make this Strong.
For better or for worse, though, strong environmental measures won't easily pass in this WA climate.
by Araraukar » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:13 pm
We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:I'm not sure if it's your intent but don't think that torpedoing legislation through rules-lawyering is an effective way to do anything.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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