greed and death wrote:You seem to mistaken anarchy and Tyranny.
anarchy good, tyranny bad.
People can pull a lot more crap in the wake of 9/11.
Your worldview is curiously warped and pathetically ignorant of reality. Amusing.
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by Getbrett » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:23 am
greed and death wrote:You seem to mistaken anarchy and Tyranny.
anarchy good, tyranny bad.
People can pull a lot more crap in the wake of 9/11.
by Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:26 am
Rambhutan wrote:Maybe you could get Samuel L Jackson to re-draft it
by Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:27 am
Getbrett wrote:Your worldview is curiously warped and pathetically ignorant of reality. Amusing.
by Barzan » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:27 am
greed and death wrote:People can pull a lot more crap in the wake of 9/11.
greed and death wrote:You seem to mistaken anarchy and Tyranny.
anarchy good, tyranny bad.
by Krypton-Zod » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:53 am
Barzan wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote:
The US does indeed have a problem with a sense of entitlement -- everyone seems to think that they are the only ones who should matter and that everyone else can die or starve. Guess what? Just because you have money, you are not entitled to do whatever the hell you want. If you want some magical Ayn Rand fantasy life, go to Somalia. There's no "gubment terkin yer guns an steelin' yer money" there.
Let's just all live in a Hobbesian state of nature, where life is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." Then you can have all your guns, do whatever you want with your oney, and no "ebil guv'ment" will be there to stop you!
by Chumblywumbly » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:03 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote:maybe the 'working man should subsidize the lazy' crowd should emigrate to Canada or to one of Europe's overburdened welfare states (I particularly recommend France, they already have 52% of the country living off the government, and have been known to hide part of their national debt by simply not 'activating' future welfare/pension commitments).
by The Cat-Tribe » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:05 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote:New Mitanni wrote:Getbrett wrote:The entire document is a festering abortion of nonsense. Written constitutions result in petty arguments about wording on a document that is no longer relevant to today's political realities. Every character on the page is a mistake.
^^^
This statement is the best possible illustration of why we need a Constitution.
Precisely.
None of this 'living breathing document' nonsense.
otherwise, kiss your 2nd amendment rights goodbye...
by Galloism » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:06 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:(Note: For those wondering why I am still posting, my "take my marbles and go home" impulses have been overcome.)
by Krypton-Zod » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:19 pm
Chumblywumbly wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote:maybe the 'working man should subsidize the lazy' crowd should emigrate to Canada or to one of Europe's overburdened welfare states (I particularly recommend France, they already have 52% of the country living off the government, and have been known to hide part of their national debt by simply not 'activating' future welfare/pension commitments).
Wot, no stereotypes about abortion?
by The Cat-Tribe » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:22 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote:Chumblywumbly wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote:maybe the 'working man should subsidize the lazy' crowd should emigrate to Canada or to one of Europe's overburdened welfare states (I particularly recommend France, they already have 52% of the country living off the government, and have been known to hide part of their national debt by simply not 'activating' future welfare/pension commitments).
Wot, no stereotypes about abortion?
You like killing?
by Krypton-Zod » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:22 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Finally, I always find it funny when people scorn a broad construction of the Constitution at the same time they (1) are lauding the importance of the Constitution and (2) believe the Constitution protects unenumerated rights, like the right to self-defense.
by The Cat-Tribe » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:24 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Finally, I always find it funny when people scorn a broad construction of the Constitution at the same time they (1) are lauding the importance of the Constitution and (2) believe the Constitution protects unenumerated rights, like the right to self-defense.
or the right to privacy, which people seem to have utterly made up.
by New Mitanni » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:30 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote:
Precisely.
None of this 'living breathing document' nonsense.
otherwise, kiss your 2nd amendment rights goodbye...
by The Cat-Tribe » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:33 pm
New Mitanni wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote:
Precisely.
None of this 'living breathing document' nonsense.
otherwise, kiss your 2nd amendment rights goodbye...
Which is precisely the intent of the "living breathing document" enemies of American freedom. They know they can't amend the Constitution to their liking, so they corrupt the judicial branch in order to achieve their agenda.
The Constitution is no more a "living breathing document" than your mortgage from Bank of America. It says what it says, it means what it meant when it was written. Any judge who rules any other way is an enemy of the Constitution.
by Galloism » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:35 pm
by The Cat-Tribe » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:38 pm
Galloism wrote:Ok, I keep hearing this term - living breathing document.
What kind of... decisions... have been made based on the respiration of this piece of paper that NM objects to? What decisions have been made based on the respiration of this document that CT supports?
I really don't know what is meant by referring to it as a respirating piece of paper.
by Krypton-Zod » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:40 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Finally, I always find it funny when people scorn a broad construction of the Constitution at the same time they (1) are lauding the importance of the Constitution and (2) believe the Constitution protects unenumerated rights, like the right to self-defense.
or the right to privacy, which people seem to have utterly made up.
1) Are you saying the right to self-defense AND the right to privacy are utterly made up?
2) If not, how do you distinquish between the two?
3) If so, you have a sad, jaundiced view of the Constitution that runs counter not only to centuries of SCOTUS precedent, but the intent of the Founders and the plain language of Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments.
by The Cat-Tribe » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:44 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote: I'm willing to go along with it as long as eminent domain is banned once and for all
by Greed and Death » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:29 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote: I'm willing to go along with it as long as eminent domain is banned once and for all
An odd position for one claiming to love the literal language of the Constitution. A literal reading of the Fifth Amendment specifically allows for eminent domain, requiring only just compensation.
by Poliwanacraca » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:51 pm
Neo Art wrote:in the modern era? I'd get rid of the 2nd amendment, and add clear and consise language detailing equal protection clause protects against gender and sexuality discrimination as well, and include ironclad language clearly detailing abortion as a constitutional right. I'd also eliminate the electoral college and move to a purely popular vote test for president. Also, I am considering term limits on SCOTUS justices.
by Exilia and Colonies » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:10 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote:Barzan wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote:
The US does indeed have a problem with a sense of entitlement -- everyone seems to think that they are the only ones who should matter and that everyone else can die or starve. Guess what? Just because you have money, you are not entitled to do whatever the hell you want. If you want some magical Ayn Rand fantasy life, go to Somalia. There's no "gubment terkin yer guns an steelin' yer money" there.
Let's just all live in a Hobbesian state of nature, where life is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." Then you can have all your guns, do whatever you want with your oney, and no "ebil guv'ment" will be there to stop you!
maybe the 'working man should subsidize the lazy' crowd should emigrate to Canada or to one of Europe's overburdened welfare states (I particularly recommend France, they already have 52% of the country living off the government, and have been known to hide part of their national debt by simply not 'activating' future welfare/pension commitments).
by SaintB » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:29 pm
greed and death wrote:Ifreann wrote:Oooh, I know. A 42nd amendment that doesn't say anything. Just to reserve the number.
Amendment XLII
article 1. The answer.
article 2. Life the Universe everything.
by Thethunderdome » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:42 pm
by Barzan » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:12 pm
Krypton-Zod wrote:
maybe the 'working man should subsidize the lazy' crowd should emigrate to Canada or to one of Europe's overburdened welfare states (I particularly recommend France, they already have 52% of the country living off the government, and have been known to hide part of their national debt by simply not 'activating' future welfare/pension commitments).
New Mitanni wrote:Krypton-Zod wrote:
Precisely.
None of this 'living breathing document' nonsense.
otherwise, kiss your 2nd amendment rights goodbye...
Which is precisely the intent of the "living breathing document" enemies of American freedom. They know they can't amend the Constitution to their liking, so they corrupt the judicial branch in order to achieve their agenda.
The Constitution is no more a "living breathing document" than your mortgage from Bank of America. It says what it says, it means what it meant when it was written. Any judge who rules any other way is an enemy of the Constitution.
by Blouman Empire » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:41 pm
SaintB wrote:Because I think FDR should hold the record
Because the founding fathers were smart enough to consider one of life's great truths, before anyone takes you seriously you have to either be stupid or middle aged.
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