Mass Shooting in California, 20 victims

[Ethel mermania]

That's not at all what anyone here was suggesting.

What I'm hearing from you is "no, no, don't you dare consider the possibilities that it was a terrorist because of the suspect's name, that's raaacist!"

Yeah. It is racist. Suspecting someone of a heinous crime like this because of their name is racist. And your claim that having an Arabic name increases the likelihood of being a terrorist breaks the rules of probability.
If I changed my name to something Arabic, does that suddenly increase my chances of being a terrorist? No.

To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.

[Kelinfort]

Eh, it's about 60+ miles away. If it were a terror attack, Pershing Square in LA makes a whole lot more sense.

A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

[Uxupox]

The men killed 14 people, I don't see why anyone can express anything other than relief and or happiness at their death.

These suspects are not confirmed to be directly connected to the shooting at the IRC.
The number of people involved are not known.

To me, this reeks of the cartels, but political radicalism is another one I think.

Highly doubtful that cartel will go inside a governmental facility used for treatment of disabilities and start shooting up the place.

[Crysuko]

Agreed the Constitution made it perfectly clear.

Damn right it did.

agreed, blood for the blood god. *nod*

[Fartsniffage]

You were?.

No. But I saw the reports that there was a firefight. I just assumed you had first hand information to disprove them?

[Ethel mermania]

A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

It's weird to me. We will find out why in due couse.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Yeah. It is racist. Suspecting someone of a heinous crime like this because of their name is racist. And your claim that having an Arabic name increases the likelihood of being a terrorist breaks the rules of probability.
If I changed my name to something Arabic, does that suddenly increase my chances of being a terrorist? No.

To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

[Wallenburg]

You were?.

No. But I saw the reports that there was a firefight. I just assumed you had first hand information to disprove them?

I didn't see them. That's why I assumed the suspects didn't fire on the police. It's basic logic not to invent facts to support a conclusion.

[Gauthier]

To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

Whereas if it had been a whitebread name the first assumption would have been Mental Illness.

[Ganos Lao]

The San Diego Tribune a while ago reported:

Riverside police dispatchers have broadcast a general advisory that the suspects involved in the shootings in San Bernardino may have fled in a black GMC Yukon, heading northbound on Waterman Avenue, roughly 40 minutes ago.

The broadcast indicated there were unconfirmed reports the suspects were male and of Middle Eastern origin, “armed with AK-47s and wearing body armor.”

[The Isolationist State Of Islam]

Maybe if the U.S enforced more, and effective background checks, less mass shootings would happen

[Noraika]

These suspects are not confirmed to be directly connected to the shooting at the IRC.
The number of people involved are not known.

To me, this reeks of the cartels, but political radicalism is another one I think.

Highly doubtful that cartel will go inside a governmental facility used for treatment of disabilities and start shooting up the place.

Cartels have a knack for ruthless and purposeless murder of innocents en masse. They don't even need a reason other than to spread fear to get people to do what they want, and mass killings certainly send a message that when they threaten to kill you they will act on it.

Perhaps the government offical in charge didn't give into demands or attempts at corruption or bribery, or perhaps the local government caught some of their members? Perhaps its not even cartels! I don't know, but for me, a cartel would have the resources to get access to the car and military equipment.

[Camicon]

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

Whereas if it had been a whitebread name the first assumption would have been Mental Illness.

And a Lone Wolf Who Is A Social Outcast And Deviant Who Is Not Representative Of The Whole.

[The Corparation]

A police officer has been hospitalized with a bullet wound. Images shown earlier a gun was visible next to the body of one of the dead suspects. I think its a reasonable assumption that the suspects opened fire.

I didn't know that. Thank you. The death of the suspects is now far more understandable.

This is NSG that isn't how this works. You made a false statement based on a misunderstanding due to lack of information on your part. We shot this down. You are supposed stick your original statement. It's no fun if you're reasonable when you are brought up date on the issue.

[Ardoki]

The men killed 14 people, I don't see why anyone can express anything other than relief and or happiness at their death.

These suspects are not confirmed to be directly connected to the shooting at the IRC.
The number of people involved are not known, and motives are unknown.

To me, this reeks of the cartels, but political radicalism is another one I'm leaning towards.

Why would a cartel commit such an atrocity? It would bring down the entire US police and justice system on them, it would ensure their cartel is destroyed.

[Wallenburg]

Maybe if the U.S enforced more, and effective background checks, less mass shootings would happen

We don't know if this is foreign or domestic terrorism yet.

[Ethel mermania]

To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

The context though was the name of the suspect was released. Though tbh, At this early stage, I wouldn't completely trust that information.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Maybe if the U.S enforced more, and effective background checks, less mass shootings would happen

From all reports these aren't the kind of people who would be stopped by background checks.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Mass shootings no longer even provoke a reaction from me.

What a wonderful world.

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

I heard their were twelve victims.

NBC is reporting 22 victims being triaged and stretchered out.

WCVB reported twelve at the time,but now it is known that sadly 14 lost their lives.

[Uxupox]

Highly doubtful that cartel will go inside a governmental facility used for treatment of disabilities and start shooting up the place.

Cartels have a knack for ruthless and purposeless murder of innocents en masse. They don't even need a reason other than to spread fear to get people to do what they want, and mass killings certainly send a message that when they threaten to kill you they will act on it.

Perhaps the government offical in charge didn't give into demands or attempts at corrupt? Perhaps its not even cartels! I don't know, but for me, a cartel would have the resources to get access to the car and military equipment.

Doing it in US soil is not the same as doing it in Mexican soil.

[Ethel mermania]

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

Whereas if it had been a whitebread name the first assumption would have been Mental Illness.

Three guys in body armour? No.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

The context though was the name of the suspect was released. Though tbh, At this early stage, I wouldn't completely trust that information.

Neither would I. It's too chaotic right now.

[Crysuko]

Cartels have a knack for ruthless and purposeless murder of innocents en masse. They don't even need a reason other than to spread fear to get people to do what they want, and mass killings certainly send a message that when they threaten to kill you they will act on it.

Perhaps the government offical in charge didn't give into demands or attempts at corrupt? Perhaps its not even cartels! I don't know, but for me, a cartel would have the resources to get access to the car and military equipment.

Doing it in US soil is not the same as doing it in Mexican soil.

WINK.

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

Mass shootings no longer even provoke a reaction from me.

What a wonderful world.

the lack of gun control makes these shootings so commom,Conservatives want this to be a fact of life,for some reason.