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Postby Hobbiest Republic » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:21 pm

Tinfect wrote:I'm somewhat surprised that no one is actually shooting at my forces yet.

In other news, holy shit, this thing moves fast.
I'll have another post out soon.


Well who all is left in the in the Industrial Coalition as far as intact battlegroups?
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Postby Tinfect » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:44 pm

Hobbiest Republic wrote:
Tinfect wrote:I'm somewhat surprised that no one is actually shooting at my forces yet.

In other news, holy shit, this thing moves fast.
I'll have another post out soon.


Well who all is left in the in the Industrial Coalition as far as intact battlegroups?


Uh...
Fair enough.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:19 pm

Apophan wrote:
Menelmacar wrote:That is about to change.

I think I may need to use my backup plan...
Although the reinforcements should arrive soon. Not next post, but soon.

Oh, and here is the updated reinforcement ORBAT.

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500 Raiders
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50 Iron Bishops
50 Iron Deathmarks
10 Iron Shrines


Battlestations destroyed. Like a couple minutes later, Coalition reinforcements arrive.

That makes sense.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:21 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Hobbiest Republic wrote:
Well who all is left in the in the Industrial Coalition as far as intact battlegroups?


Uh...
Fair enough.


1) We gave orders not to shoot at you until you fired first.
2) You never fired.
3) Other people fired and killed half of us.
4) We fired at the other people.
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Postby Allanea » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:23 pm

I see... things happened.
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Postby Tinfect » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:26 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:1) We gave orders not to shoot at you until you fired first.
2) You never fired.
3) Other people fired and killed half of us.
4) We fired at the other people.


We've ordered your Surrender twice now, and we've still managed to not engage hostilities?
Uh... Diplomacy in action?
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Postby Apophan » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:26 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Apophan wrote:I think I may need to use my backup plan...
Although the reinforcements should arrive soon. Not next post, but soon.

Oh, and here is the updated reinforcement ORBAT.

The Blade of Achaii Shard-class Dreadnought
4x Spear-class Cruisers
1000 Iron Legionnaires
500 Raiders
100 Iron Guard
100 Iron Wraiths
100 Iron Spectres
50 Iron Bishops
50 Iron Deathmarks
10 Iron Shrines


Battlestations destroyed. Like a couple minutes later, Coalition reinforcements arrive.

That makes sense.


They still have to get everything in order, such as ensuring the ships and soldiers are battle ready and fully functional. So, it'll be be more like 30 minutes.
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Postby Allanea » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:27 pm

Is this part of the idea that they're basically necron expies and as such can bounce across the Galaxy at a moment's notice?
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:15 am

Well, the negotiations in space are not doing so well.

But at least Hobbiest Republic's completely unexpected betrayal (I mean seriously, I didn't even know this one OOC) opened up a new battlefield! And in the only place we can still wage war effectively!

Singapore, post coming up regarding you soon.

Omgeverynameistaken, where are you? I was hoping (and apparently C'tan was as well) that you'd be assisting the ground combat in Kaybor.
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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:24 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:Singapore, post coming up regarding you soon.

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Postby Chri-irah » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:40 am

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:Singapore, post coming up regarding you soon.

finally muddafukkas


You're under attack by the Chriirans! Have fun sorting that mess out!
(Honestly, this fight really needed a tragic misunderstanding to help even things out. As it is, the Coalition is getting utterly curbstomped.)

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Postby Apophan » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:42 am

Chri-irah wrote:
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:finally muddafukkas


You're under attack by the Chriirans! Have fun sorting that mess out!
(Honestly, this fight really needed a tragic misunderstanding to help even things out. As it is, the Coalition is getting utterly curbstomped.)

Just going to remind you that I did say that my fighter craft were attempting to capture a Birrin.
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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:51 am

Chri-irah wrote:
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:finally muddafukkas


You're under attack by the Chriirans! Have fun sorting that mess out!
(Honestly, this fight really needed a tragic misunderstanding to help even things out. As it is, the Coalition is getting utterly curbstomped.)

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but since the construction crew is basically gmod players for the time being i think they can handle it
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:00 am

Apophan wrote:
Chri-irah wrote:
You're under attack by the Chriirans! Have fun sorting that mess out!
(Honestly, this fight really needed a tragic misunderstanding to help even things out. As it is, the Coalition is getting utterly curbstomped.)

Just going to remind you that I did say that my fighter craft were attempting to capture a Birrin.


1) Your fighters are being stalked by Menelmacar's clairvoyant pilots.
2) That really only helps you synthesize a biological weapon, which is the last thing anyone wants and frankly will result in everyone dead. The Interventionists won't let you get away with genocide, and the Excidians would rather abandon the planet and live then kill off the Birrin and either inherit a dead world or die to foreign retribution.

And honestly, we have Birrin on our side. You could have asked for tissue samples and we would have gladly given you some.
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Postby Menelmacar » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:10 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:Well, the negotiations in space are not doing so well.

They're going better than you think. So far I've no reason to think Percival and company won't get out of this unless they do something really dumb. Nobody's shooting right now and the Menelmacari are honest to a fault.

In fact I wouldn't mind parlaying that outcome into a friendlier and less shooty RP. The Menelmacari would actually be very impressed with Reckoner.
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Postby Hobbiest Republic » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:02 am

I'll take your surprise as a compliment.
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Postby The Second Brotherhood of Planets » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:09 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:Counterattack posted. The orbital battle looks fairly hopeless now, since Vilkia is probably lost, Apophan is probably lost, more than half my forces are lost, C'tan betrayed us, Hobbiest Republic is retreating, and Usea can't be counted on to actually kill anyone.

Basically, unless one or more of the interventionist forces decides to suddenly switch sides and/or attack their own team, we've lost the orbital battle.

The ground battle, however, is far from over.


The Brotherhood offers to arbitrate the process of surrender. Once the C'tani and others release their jamming, we'll call in as many medics as necessary to clean up this mess.

But, as I stated in the Picard speech I gave to Aeiouia, I doubt this war really helps the Birrin. They now have a bunch of space debris, and whatever freedoms they have gained (since it sounds like some of their nations were selling their own species as slaves) will leave them indebted to nations with far superior technology that might not be so magnanimous. Not to mention cleaning up whatever radiation is left from this battle.

No matter how badly the occupation ruined their lives, the following Reconstruction and subsequent interference from so many FT and PMT civilizations will/has irreparably changed their culture and destiny.
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Postby Menelmacar » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:30 am

They already had space debris. Lots of it. The Birrin are recovering from a civilizational collapse two thousand years ago. They were much more advanced before and there was prolly a Kessler cascade at some point in the interim.

Regarding arbitration, the Menelmacari aren't going to go for that. If they have any sin, it is pride, and in any case they won't take well either to slights on their honor or a third party that didn't contribute to the victory horning in. (not attacking you here, but the bros didn't shoot anything.) The brotherhood is welcome to observe though, as are the Tinfecti and Aeiouians.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:32 am

Menelmacar wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:Well, the negotiations in space are not doing so well.

They're going better than you think. So far I've no reason to think Percival and company won't get out of this unless they do something really dumb. Nobody's shooting right now and the Menelmacari are honest to a fault.

Percival isn't suicidal, but he doesn't like losing for nothing. Tachyon gains nothing from this war if they lose.

In fact I wouldn't mind parlaying that outcome into a friendlier and less shooty RP. The Menelmacari would actually be very impressed with Reckoner.

I'm fine with RPing peaceful RPs (my next big RP is going to be on the creation and political implications of sapient AI), but I don't think that's the way this RP will go unless the surrender terms include the current Tenzeni puppet government remaining in place.


Tangential question: Approximately how long has it been since the battlestations were destroyed, would you say?
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Postby Menelmacar » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:51 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:Percival isn't suicidal, but he doesn't like losing for nothing. Tachyon gains nothing from this war if they lose.

Hypothetically most people will take unemployment over death, and I'd imagine Percival is already so wealthy he never needs to work again, but fair enough.
I'm fine with RPing peaceful RPs (my next big RP is going to be on the creation and political implications of sapient AI), but I don't think that's the way this RP will go unless the surrender terms include the current Tenzeni puppet government remaining in place.

That could be arranged I'm sure, the Menelmacari will probably demand some kind of election but I'd be amazed if Tachyon couldn't steal an election. OOCly I've no interest in pushing you entirely off the planet, that's just mean and you've been great to RP with.

Tangential question: Approximately how long has it been since the battlestations were destroyed, would you say?

According to Wolfram Alpha the Menelmacari could close inside four minutes at full burn. They wouldn't have been going that fast in order to save delta v for evasive maneuvers, but ten minutes, maybe fifteen?
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:01 am

Menelmacar wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:Percival isn't suicidal, but he doesn't like losing for nothing. Tachyon gains nothing from this war if they lose.

Hypothetically most people will take unemployment over death, and I'd imagine Percival is already so wealthy he never needs to work again, but fair enough.

Percival will almost certainly get out alive no matter what he does.

I'm fine with RPing peaceful RPs (my next big RP is going to be on the creation and political implications of sapient AI), but I don't think that's the way this RP will go unless the surrender terms include the current Tenzeni puppet government remaining in place.

That could be arranged I'm sure, the Menelmacari will probably demand some kind of election but I'd be amazed if Tachyon couldn't steal an election. OOCly I've no interest in pushing you entirely off the planet, that's just mean and you've been great to RP with.

Well, surrender would then likely be a viable option.

Tangential question: Approximately how long has it been since the battlestations were destroyed, would you say?

According to Wolfram Alpha the Menelmacari acceleration to turnaround took 37 minutes, so the stations were destroyed a little under an hour ago (they have not actually entered orbit yet, other than the fighters and missiles, which are faster, and the apps that jumped).

That is a lot longer than I imagined, for some reason. Definitely more than the 20 minutes I hoped for.
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Postby Menelmacar » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:04 am

My math was wrong due to a mistake in input. Three decimal places! I have edited.
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Postby The Second Brotherhood of Planets » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:11 pm

Menelmacar wrote:They already had space debris. Lots of it. The Birrin are recovering from a civilizational collapse two thousand years ago. They were much more advanced before and there was prolly a Kessler cascade at some point in the interim.


Right, but if anything it'll be a repeat if not worse, since the original lore seemed to suggest that there was one recovery ship that was shot down, not multiple starbases, a variety of capital ships, and many fighters that have been annihilated in orbit. The amount of debris for this upcoming Kessler cascade (if we do nothing) would therefore be much worse.

Not to mention the likely surface war that happened after that recovery ship was lost.

As for the offer of arbitration, well, it's on the table, but we understand if the people of Menelmacar would just shrug us off with contempt. However we shall reiterate the offer of sending medical and otherwise humanitarian assistance once the battle is concluded.
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Postby Menelmacar » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:42 pm

The Second Brotherhood of Planets wrote:
Menelmacar wrote:They already had space debris. Lots of it. The Birrin are recovering from a civilizational collapse two thousand years ago. They were much more advanced before and there was prolly a Kessler cascade at some point in the interim.


Right, but if anything it'll be a repeat if not worse, since the original lore seemed to suggest that there was one recovery ship that was shot down, not multiple starbases, a variety of capital ships, and many fighters that have been annihilated in orbit. The amount of debris for this upcoming Kessler cascade (if we do nothing) would therefore be much worse.

Certainly we will not simply leave our mess in orbit.

As for the offer of arbitration, well, it's on the table, but we understand if the people of Menelmacar would just shrug us off with contempt. However we shall reiterate the offer of sending medical and otherwise humanitarian assistance once the battle is concluded.

Well, they won't be rude about it. The humanitarian offer will be accepted, certainly.
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Postby Hobbiest Republic » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:57 pm

If our orbital capacity remains somewhat intact, we're avid scavengers, so certainly will be interested in harvesting the debris field regardless of which side we're on.
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