A prison for transgenders that did not get their gender legally reassigned and was guilty of a crime? Yeah go be an activist for that.
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by Serksis Federation » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:02 am
by Gauthier » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:03 am
by Serksis Federation » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:04 am
Hirota wrote:Solitary is typically used for both people who are a risk to others, and who are at risk from others.Serksis Federation wrote:Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.
Comparing her (or other potential victims of prison violence) to someone who has tried to shiv a fellow inmate isn't a constructive approach.
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:04 am
Gauthier wrote:Nothing more delightful than the assumption that a transgendered MtF wants to be sent to women's prison for a free peep show. On that account men's prison population should all be put in solitary on the assumption that the gays might be ogling the other male prisoners.
by Alyakia » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:05 am
by Kanaria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:07 am
Gauthier wrote:Nothing more delightful than the assumption that a transgendered MtF wants to be sent to women's prison for a free peep show. On that account men's prison population should all be put in solitary on the assumption that the gays might be ogling the other male prisoners.
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:07 am
Kanaria wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:Yes, I'm sure punitive action will make up for the entirely preventable trauma.
Sorry, I'm just really mad that this event happened...I'm layering on the sarcasm to keep the anger from boiling over. Somewhere along the way, the justice system should have thought about this in something other than a typically...abstract manner. If they don't keep her away from the other prisoners she's screwed.
by Serksis Federation » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:07 am
Alyakia wrote:Serksis Federation wrote:A prison for transgenders that did not get their gender legally reassigned and was guilty of a crime? Yeah go be an activist for that.
no really i want you to justify the existence of female prisons to me
you don't care about rape risk, so that's not it. and i don't see how seperating them is to the benefit of society? is it showers? why is catering to their feely weelies our problem? didn't you say prisons aren't there for luxury? again you're completely discounting rape risk so why should i build an entire seperate building just to make them feel good? this is ridiculous. do you have any idea how expensive building an entire new building is? and you can't tell me that "well it's the law and i blindy agree with the law" is going to be your response.
by Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:10 am
BK117B2 wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:The betterment of society would argue strongly against throwing an attractive, large-breasted woman into a male prison.
It would instead argue for placing that person into a women's prison or putting them on any other sort of sentence that is appropriate for an assault charge. There are many that do not involve prison sentences.
Eh, locked up seems a reasonable place for those who initiate unwanted violence against others
Serksis Federation wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:It's putting someone in a place where it's not unlikely she'll be raped, in direct contravention of the opinion of a medical expert, because of a technicality on her passport. I can't think of a better example of blind adherence than this.
Everyone is likely to be raped in a male prison, that should be changed for everyone not just in her case alone.
Wallenburg wrote:This is total bullshit. They aren't even doing a good job pretending that they aren't persecuting her for being transgender.
Serksis Federation wrote:Alyakia wrote:
no really i want you to justify the existence of female prisons to me
you don't care about rape risk, so that's not it. and i don't see how seperating them is to the benefit of society? is it showers? why is catering to their feely weelies our problem? didn't you say prisons aren't there for luxury? again you're completely discounting rape risk so why should i build an entire seperate building just to make them feel good? this is ridiculous. do you have any idea how expensive building an entire new building is? and you can't tell me that "well it's the law and i blindy agree with the law" is going to be your response.
I care about the rape risk, obviously. I never said anything about her never being raped.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Hauptskalreich » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:13 am
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:13 am
Serksis Federation wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:Oh for fuck's sake, take a look at that picture and tell me she isn't going to move straight to the top of everybody's list.
She isn't going to go to the top of everybody's list. Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.
by Kanaria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:16 am
by Wallenburg » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:17 am
by Kanaria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:18 am
by Serksis Federation » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:19 am
Wisconsin9 wrote:Serksis Federation wrote:She isn't going to go to the top of everybody's list. Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.
Right, so now instead of just sending her to a prison she shouldn't actually be in, we're also isolating her from most human contact for three months, to protect her from a threat she wouldn't have needed protection from if she was sent to the right prison in the first place. And, well, the possible psychological harm that something like that can cause sure is a shame, but hey, she asked for it by not jumping through that one specific hoop over there.
by Liriena » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:20 am
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by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:21 am
The Patrimony of Saint Peter wrote:Alvecia wrote:
False
So if you paint me with white and black stripes am I a zebra? I demand to be a zebra. I shall have my hands removed and put hooves on them and I shall join my zebra brethren on the Serengeti. And when I commit a crime you can't do shit because I'm a zebra.
He's a guy. He has a vestigial thingy so he's a guy. Call him Chelsie or Samantha all you want but he's a guy. You don't always get what you want. I can't be a zebra. He is just taking halloween way too seriously and wants to be a monster all year round. It's working.
by Kanaria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:21 am
Liriena wrote:Sure, put a woman in an all-male prison. I'm sure nothing bad will come from that. It's not like transgender women are already subjected to disproportionate amounts of violence outside of prisons.
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:23 am
Serksis Federation wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:Right, so now instead of just sending her to a prison she shouldn't actually be in, we're also isolating her from most human contact for three months, to protect her from a threat she wouldn't have needed protection from if she was sent to the right prison in the first place. And, well, the possible psychological harm that something like that can cause sure is a shame, but hey, she asked for it by not jumping through that one specific hoop over there.
It being the prison you want her to be sent to doesn't make it the right prison.
by Serksis Federation » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:27 am
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:29 am
by Liriena » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:30 am
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