by Cetacea » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:22 am
by Zakuvia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:28 am
by Uawc » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:29 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:33 am
by Imperium Sidhicum » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:41 am
by Zakuvia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:52 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:People like your average Middle Eastern desert folk do not understand democracy. They NEED some vicious dictator ruling them with an iron fist to stay at peace. Once that dictator is gone, so will be the stability that his presence bought.
Arab society is a patriarchal, tribal one, the concept of nationhood still being new to them. Loyalty to one's family and clan is all that matters, loyalty to the nation being secondary, and generally only practiced when there's someone mean enough in power to make the consequences of disloyalty very detrimental to one's clan and family. It is basically a medieval society trying to live by modern rules. Unsurprisingly, in the absence of a strongman to keep things in order, sectarian violence, tribal feuds and what have you will take free rein.
Saddam and Gaddafi were just such strongmen. Asad too was such a strongman before the West emasculated him and his regime.
So in that respect, Trump is absolutely right - the world would be better with such dictators in power.
by Vassenor » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:53 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:People like your average Middle Eastern desert folk do not understand democracy. They NEED some vicious dictator ruling them with an iron fist to stay at peace. Once that dictator is gone, so will be the stability that his presence bought.
by Knokkeheist » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:54 am
Vassenor wrote:Imperium Sidhicum wrote:People like your average Middle Eastern desert folk do not understand democracy. They NEED some vicious dictator ruling them with an iron fist to stay at peace. Once that dictator is gone, so will be the stability that his presence bought.
So Brown people are too stupid for democracy? Is that what you're saying?
by Yeldarid » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:58 am
Kaztropol wrote:Implementing dumb policies for ideological reasons is what political parties do.
Merizoc wrote:Great Britain Out wrote:We are free!
Congratulations Great Britain!
From sanity, yes
by The 93rd Coalition » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:02 am
by Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:07 am
Yeldarid wrote:As for Libya and Iraq, if when the USA and other countries intervened/invaded, they actually had a long-term strategy for what to do after ousting the current leader then they would be much better off.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:41 am
by Outer Sparta » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:49 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Trump is correct. Scary thought indeed.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:04 am
Outer Sparta wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Trump is correct. Scary thought indeed.
We supported dictators in the past (South Korea, South Vietnam, Philippines) to name a few, but we didn't support Saddam. When we got rid of him, terrorist groups overtake that region. Yes, they did abuse their people, but kept the country stable. Blame Bush for ISIS.
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:20 am
by Finland SSR » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:39 am
by Chestaan » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:43 am
by Caracasus » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:44 am
by Greed and Death » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:03 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:We supported dictators in the past (South Korea, South Vietnam, Philippines) to name a few, but we didn't support Saddam. When we got rid of him, terrorist groups overtake that region. Yes, they did abuse their people, but kept the country stable. Blame Bush for ISIS.
Which has nothing to do with trump being right or wrong.
by Bojikami » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:07 am
by Hollorous » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:11 am
by Wolfmanne2 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:19 am
Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.
by Greed and Death » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:37 am
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Oh god America, please don't let him win.
by New Grestin » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:47 am
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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