Voting vs Video Games

[Infected Mushroom]

the availability of various avenues does nothing to undermine the value of one relatively effective avenue towards that desirable objective

voting on the other hand, isn't by any measure an effective way of achieving its stated objective for any given individual

Voting by democratic mean in capitalist countries can mean a lot of difference. Imagine having laws that negatively impact you and people you love because you were too selfish to vote. You would pressured to vote by your friends and family, video games would be vilified in the society you are talking about. I am showing you that video games are not as positive as you may think they are.

I disagree, video games are a very positive thing. In fact, one of the world's most positive things.

Voting on the other hand, makes no difference for the one person

if the government truly sought to oppress you, your one vote would still not make a difference (although a collection might, but as an individual, you have no control over that)

[Ifreann]

You can achieve those in sports and other activities. It is not exclusive to video games making video games worthless in context compared to vote.

the availability of various avenues does nothing to undermine the value of one relatively effective avenue towards that desirable objective

voting on the other hand, isn't by any measure an effective way of achieving its stated objective for any given individual

Cite this stated objective.

[Valyrian Freeholds]

Voting by democratic mean in capitalist countries can mean a lot of difference. Imagine having laws that negatively impact you and people you love because you were too selfish to vote. You would pressured to vote by your friends and family, video games would be vilified in the society you are talking about. I am showing you that video games are not as positive as you may think they are.

I disagree, video games are a very positive thing. In fact, one of the world's most positive things.

Voting on the other hand, makes no difference for the one person

if the government truly sought to oppress you, your one vote would still not make a difference (although a collection might, but as an individual, you have no control over that)

Tell that to the young men who finally got a job from the Federal Government after FDR was elected. Tell that to the Singaporean families who moved from simple fishing huts to new modern apartments after the PAP and Lee Kuan Yew came to power.

Voting matters and votes count.

[Infected Mushroom]

the availability of various avenues does nothing to undermine the value of one relatively effective avenue towards that desirable objective

voting on the other hand, isn't by any measure an effective way of achieving its stated objective for any given individual

Cite this stated objective.

your individual vote didn't matter...

[Infected Mushroom]

I disagree, video games are a very positive thing. In fact, one of the world's most positive things.

Voting on the other hand, makes no difference for the one person

if the government truly sought to oppress you, your one vote would still not make a difference (although a collection might, but as an individual, you have no control over that)

Tell that to the young men who finally got a job from the Federal Government after FDR was elected. Tell that to the Singaporean families who moved from simple fishing huts to new modern apartments after the PAP and Lee Kuan Yew came to power.

Voting matters and votes count.

whether I as a person was around to vote or not in the 1930s, FDR would have been elected

the same is true of any other leader

[Ifreann]

Cite this stated objective.

your individual vote didn't matter...

That's not a citation. Cite the stated objective of voting.

[Infected Mushroom]

your individual vote didn't matter...

That's not a citation. Cite the stated objective of voting.

I'm not in the habit of generally providing citations

[Valyrian Freeholds]

That's not a citation. Cite the stated objective of voting.

I'm not in the habit of generally providing citations

WELP I GUESS IT'S

JUST AN OPINION

[Rio Cana]

Nah man, let them disenfranchise themselves to keep their video games. Then hold a referendum on criminalising the production, ownership, sale, or use of video games, consoles, or peripherals, and laugh while the gamers can't do a thing to stop it passing. Then after a week give them their games and franchise back.

In the mean time, watch how the economy plummets and how organised crime will import games into the country. If you suddenly see gangsters digging up Atari games in Alamogordo, New Mexico, do not be surprised.

it seems we have a New Mexican here. Does Mr. Trump know you are a New Mexican! Could not resist. Just kidding.

Long Live New Mexico!. Yes, there is even a song.
Turn up the sound - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFGVJB-hvE

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm not in the habit of generally providing citations

WELP I GUESS IT'S

JUST AN OPINION

people don't typically provide citations for basic propositions

voting is commonly said to ''give people a voice''... yet if the end result of a single person in voting or not voting is the same (the same party would end up elected and they would be free to institute their own policies in the end), its as good as not having a voice

the consequence is the same for any single person

[Ifreann]

That's not a citation. Cite the stated objective of voting.

I'm not in the habit of generally providing citations

I don't care. You talked about the stated objective of voting. Maybe this is another English turn of phrase that you're having trouble with, but if there is a stated objective of voting then that objective must have been stated. Cite it.

[Ifreann]

WELP I GUESS IT'S

JUST AN OPINION

people don't typically provide citations for basic propositions

People do typically cite statements about the objectives of things. How else are we to know who issued the statement, and on what authority?

voting is commonly said

So no official statement from any person in a position of authority to make a statement on the objective of voting.

[Dyakovo]

Cite this stated objective.

your individual vote didn't matter...

The cited objective of voting is "your individual vote didn't matter"?
You're making even less sense the usual...

[Impaled Nazarene]

I'd shoot myself

[Infected Mushroom]

I'd shoot myself

isn't this a bit extreme?

[Infected Mushroom]

people don't typically provide citations for basic propositions

People do typically cite statements about the objectives of things. How else are we to know who issued the statement, and on what authority?

voting is commonly said

So no official statement from any person in a position of authority to make a statement on the objective of voting.

I'm getting it from regular discourse

[Impaled Nazarene]

I'd shoot myself

isn't this a bit extreme?

I think someone replied in the boxing should be banned thread. you should go bother them instead

[Ifreann]

People do typically cite statements about the objectives of things. How else are we to know who issued the statement, and on what authority?


So no official statement from any person in a position of authority to make a statement on the objective of voting.

I'm getting it from regular discourse

So , the stated objective of voting that you are talking about is not actually an objective that has been stated. When you talk about "the stated objective" of voting, what you are referring to is your own personal opinion on what that objective is. So anything you have to say about the stated objective of voting is of no more consequence than if you hypothetically saying "I don't like voting".

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm getting it from regular discourse

So , the stated objective of voting that you are talking about is not actually an objective that has been stated. When you talk about "the stated objective" of voting, what you are referring to is your own personal opinion on what that objective is. So anything you have to say about the stated objective of voting is of no more consequence than if you hypothetically saying "I don't like voting".

its stated in regular conversation and regular justification

[Ifreann]

So , the stated objective of voting that you are talking about is not actually an objective that has been stated. When you talk about "the stated objective" of voting, what you are referring to is your own personal opinion on what that objective is. So anything you have to say about the stated objective of voting is of no more consequence than if you hypothetically saying "I don't like voting".

its stated in regular conversation and regular justification

It's("it's" means "it is", "its" means "belonging to it") stated in regular conversation that McDonalds burgers contain no meat, their nuggets contain no chicken, and their fries contain no potato. I'm sure you don't accept any of those things as being true. Hopefully you will understand that I similarly don't accept that the stated objective of voting is what you claim is regularly stated about it.

[Infected Mushroom]

its stated in regular conversation and regular justification

It's("it's" means "it is", "its" means "belonging to it") stated in regular conversation that McDonalds burgers contain no meat, their nuggets contain no chicken, and their fries contain no potato. I'm sure you don't accept any of those things as being true. Hopefully you will understand that I similarly don't accept that the stated objective of voting is what you claim is regularly stated about it.

I'm only speaking from personal experience and conversations

[Ifreann]

It's("it's" means "it is", "its" means "belonging to it") stated in regular conversation that McDonalds burgers contain no meat, their nuggets contain no chicken, and their fries contain no potato. I'm sure you don't accept any of those things as being true. Hopefully you will understand that I similarly don't accept that the stated objective of voting is what you claim is regularly stated about it.

I'm only speaking from personal experience and conversations

Exactly why I give no weight to what you claim to be the stated objective of voting, as you would not give weight what other people had to say about what McDonalds makes their food out of when you could read the ingredients on their website or in one of their restaurants.

[Samnoreg]

The answer is obvious: Video Games, because I'm still waiting for Half-Life 3.

In all seriousness, I don't really play video games other than Minecraft, Skyrim, and SWKOTR, and occasionally Kerbal Space Program. Even when I do, overall it's infrequent. Voting is clearly the more important option, and something I hold dear.

[Infected Mushroom]

The answer is obvious: Video Games, because I'm still waiting for Half-Life 3.

In all seriousness, I don't really play video games other than Minecraft, Skyrim, and SWKOTR, and occasionally Kerbal Space Program. Even when I do, overall it's infrequent. Voting is clearly the more important option, and something I hold dear.

what is so precious about your individual right to cast a non-determinative ballot? that you would forsake a concrete right and ability to play games that are fun?

[Ifreann]

The answer is obvious: Video Games, because I'm still waiting for Half-Life 3.

Pray to Gaben harder! Sacrifice more money!