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DEFEATED: Commend Bitely

Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:47 pm

Commend Bitely
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: CommendationNominee: BitelyProposed by: JohnnyandtheContusions

Description: The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the intense controversy surrounding the recent actions of Bitely and its allies,

Suggesting that in their zeal to punish the Bitelyian contingent, the World Assembly and its reputed "Elite" may be overlooking the many good things this member has done for this body and the wider NS community,

Recalling that the space-based crisis set off by Bitely's sponsored World Space Administration provided the membership of the WA a golden opportunity to come together in the name of striking out harmful legislation - and putting the WA's long-dormant Death Star once again to good use,

Noting that in the recent scandal involving an attack on Bitely's ambassador, that the nation having credentialed him, rather than fight for his life, elected instead to let him "die," demonstrating the nation's willingness to adhere to the timeless political wisdom of the maxim, "Never let a good crisis go to waste,"

Reminding members that in seeking to condemn Wallenburg for its reputed role in the ambassador's "death," Bitely unwittingly unleashed a flood of support, notoriety and credibility for a relatively green and inexperienced WA legislator,

Revealing that Bitely's recent efforts to condemn The World Assembly have only increased that body's membership by more than 1,000%, effecting a tremendous boon to international cooperation and outreach,

Submitting that the Bitely delegation are not mere self-promoters, in that far from simply talking up their own importance, they actually purchased ad space in the WA Headquarters to remind everyone of how important they are, in so doing providing generous support to international postal workers, who suffer from tragically disproportionate levels of disgruntlement,

Hoping that by inducting Bitely into the WA's dreaded "Elite" with an official Security Council Commendation, that peace and stability can be once again restored to a severely fractured and divided WA,

Hereby COMMENDS Bitely.

Approvals: 16 (Vancouvia, Imperium Anglorum, Ghant, Peullaton, Odd Jobs, Efficientiam, Grand Britaria, Nedewsila, Revolasium, Pugmire, United States of Doubloons, Dakling, Ivanusia, POOF, Skyranger Industrial Empire, Philiberion)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 62 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 9 hours
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Postby John Turner » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:49 pm

As a card carrying member of the WA "elite" *flex*, I wholeheartedly support this endeavor and will be one of the first delegates to approve it.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:09 pm

This is the proposal I've actually supported in principal in weeks (besides Commend Haiku :P)
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:16 pm

I will have to admit that when I first saw the title, I was cringing. All I could think was "Oh no, not again", and then I took a moment to consider who authored the draft. It is a shame that my region's bylaws do not allow me to endorse or vote on Security Council matters, because this is truly a diamond in the rough.
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Postby Tinfect » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:25 pm

To be honest, I came in expecting to run through another explanation of why we should not be legitimizing, or even acknowledging his actions through legislation, and I still might, but for now, tentative support.
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Postby RPRA Techcorp » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:03 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Submitting that the Bitely delegation are not mere self-promoters, in that far from simply talking up their own importance, they actually purchased ad space to remind everyone of how important they are, and in so doing providing generous support to international postal workers, who suffer from tragically disproportionate levels of disgruntlement,

I think this section could probably stand to be improved by changing the wording from the slightly 4th-wall breaking description of "buying ad space" to something about "investing substantial personal funds to the end effect of increasing global awareness of and participation in the World Assembly, as well as promoting the economic well-being of postal service personnel worldwide-"

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:08 pm

Well, we retconned the attack on his ambassador by popular consent, so you'll have to pull that out. Otherwise, I'll actually have to give this some thought. We are undecided on this motion.
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Postby John Turner » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:12 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Well, we retconned the attack on his ambassador by popular consent, so you'll have to pull that out. Otherwise, I'll actually have to give this some thought. We are undecided on this motion.

Doesn't matter if you retconned it or not. Once you posted it, it is fair game to be used. Perhaps people will be more careful what they post in the future, and think about the long term consequences of their actions.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:16 pm

John Turner wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Well, we retconned the attack on his ambassador by popular consent, so you'll have to pull that out. Otherwise, I'll actually have to give this some thought. We are undecided on this motion.

Doesn't matter if you retconned it or not. Once you posted it, it is fair game to be used. Perhaps people will be more careful what they post in the future, and think about the long term consequences of their actions.

I'm trying to recall whether you have ever made a post responding to me that hasn't been snarky, patronizing, or downright insulting.
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Postby Tyrnica » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:26 pm

Hm, I'd usually be against this, but you've made some good arguments using Bitely's controversial actions in there.

For now, I'm undecided.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:53 pm

Nicely argued, one can almost feel the stiletto slipping between the ribs.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:10 am

RPRA Techcorp wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Submitting that the Bitely delegation are not mere self-promoters, in that far from simply talking up their own importance, they actually purchased ad space to remind everyone of how important they are, and in so doing providing generous support to international postal workers, who suffer from tragically disproportionate levels of disgruntlement,

I think this section could probably stand to be improved by changing the wording from the slightly 4th-wall breaking description of "buying ad space" to something about "investing substantial personal funds to the end effect of increasing global awareness of and participation in the World Assembly, as well as promoting the economic well-being of postal service personnel worldwide-"

Why? People and companies buy ad space all the time in RL, for billboards, magazines, newspapers, phone books, not just the Web; the wording's neutral enough to be reasonably interpreted either IC or OOC. Besides which, the ad itself was IC. :)
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:39 am

Geez, I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm okay with teaching him the secret handshake, and giving him the password to our super-secret forum, but would we have to include him in the profit-sharing plan? With the number of Elite we have nowadays....

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:42 am

These actions would be commendable if Bitely actually done it intentionally.
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Postby Tinfect » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:41 am

Wallenburg wrote:
John Turner wrote:Doesn't matter if you retconned it or not. Once you posted it, it is fair game to be used. Perhaps people will be more careful what they post in the future, and think about the long term consequences of their actions.

I'm trying to recall whether you have ever made a post responding to me that hasn't been snarky, patronizing, or downright insulting.


Yeah, you'll not find too much.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:02 pm

I can't say I am really in favour of either a commend or condemn for Bitely. I don't believe they are honestly significant enough for either, with theur main claim to fame being they got their feelings hurt when folks didn't fall all over themselves with praise for their proposal, and instead went on a rampage against the "WA Elite" for somehow insulting him or something. There are far too many nations who have done good things for the game and are eminently more deserving of a commendation than they are.
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Postby Stalker Queen » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:30 pm

Well Bitely's trying to buy NS off Max Barry now. Don't give him any more attention or else we could lose free and full access to NS. Start from that link and read down the page.
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Postby Stellonia » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:34 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Noting that in the recent scandal involving an attack on Bitely's ambassador, that the nation having credentialed her, rather than fight for her life, elected instead to let her "die," demonstrating the nation's willingness to adhere to the timeless political wisdom of the maxim, "Never let a good crisis go to waste[.]"

OOC: Wasn't the ambassador from Bitely male?

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Postby Tinfect » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:45 pm

Stalker Queen wrote:Well Bitely's trying to buy NS off Max Barry now. Don't give him any more attention or else we could lose free and full access to NS. Start from that link and read down the page.


It's probably not going to happen.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:30 pm

Stalker Queen wrote:Well Bitely's trying to buy NS off Max Barry now. Don't give him any more attention or else we could lose free and full access to NS. Start from that link and read down the page.

I'm not currently operating under any delusion that a commendation of Bitely is going to convince Max to sell NationStates. Sorry.


EDIT @Stellonia: Thanks for the correction.
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:44 pm

I support this proposal in it's entirety.

Why? Well because Bitely has brought so much unification to the WA, for practically the first time in WA history most all frequent posters could agree upon the fact that the WSA needed to be repealed, almost all agreed that the condemnation of Wallenberg was stupid, and Bitely has encouraged the unification of the WA, always a positive.

As said before, I support this proposal, not because Bitely is a good player intentionally, but because unintentionally he has had a net positive effect on the WA.
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Postby Vancouvia » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:39 pm

Atomic Utopia wrote: almost all agreed that the condemnation of Wallenberg was stupid


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Postby We Are The NSA » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:08 pm

Vancouvia wrote:
Atomic Utopia wrote: almost all agreed that the condemnation of Wallenberg was stupid


Condemn Wallenburg was defeated 8,640 votes to 3,842.

69%... only a few off from a passing grade. Darn.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:44 pm

A passing thought on the legality issue before I go to bed: if you were to word it that Bitely had purchased ad space in the WAHQ to blah blah blah I think there would be no problem at all. As currently written I see your argument and I'm inclined to agree, though I'll flag this for further input.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:56 pm

Thanks, Mall! I'll specify that the ad space was in "WAHQ" in my next edit.
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