by Sydia » Fri May 22, 2009 7:59 am
by Bears Armed » Fri May 22, 2009 8:13 am
by Absolvability » Fri May 22, 2009 4:10 pm
Proposal wrote:8) Any salvaged vessel which has been lost or otherwise deemed irretrievable by the party originally owning it shall be considered become the property of the salvor.
9) Depending on the nature of the salvage operation and the skill and risk involved to the salvor, the salvor is entitled to payment for services should the party owning the vessel seek to re-acquire it,
10) This resolution shall only apply to international waters only.
11) Salvage that is of legitimate historical interest is eligible to be claimed by the nation nearest to the salvage site provided the wreck is put on public display. A salvor is still entitled to compensation in this case. Salvors dealing in wrecks which have historical value must receive training in archaeological techniques in order to prevent damage to the wreck.
by Sydia » Sun May 24, 2009 4:30 am
Absolvability wrote:Proposal wrote:8) Any salvaged vessel which has been lost or otherwise deemed irretrievable by the party originally owning it shall be considered become the property of the salvor.
9) Depending on the nature of the salvage operation and the skill and risk involved to the salvor, the salvor is entitled to payment for services should the party owning the vessel seek to re-acquire it,
10) This resolution shall only apply to international waters only.
11) Salvage that is of legitimate historical interest is eligible to be claimed by the nation nearest to the salvage site provided the wreck is put on public display. A salvor is still entitled to compensation in this case. Salvors dealing in wrecks which have historical value must receive training in archaeological techniques in order to prevent damage to the wreck.
I'm not so sure 'lost' means irretrievable. I'm also not so sure that it is consistant with human rights OR moral decency that a salvor suddenly possesses a vessel because they had certain capabilities than another nation did not have. Are we seriously establishing a "finders keepers," policy?
Salvage that is of historical interest is probably significally more interesting to the party that lost it than the party that found it. But this is fairly synonymous with my last arguement, so I won't dwell on that point. I wonder why the salvor would still be entitled to compensation, though. Wouldn't this "finders keepers," policy imply that keeping what they find IS their compensation?
8) Any salvaged vessel which has been lost or otherwise deemed irretrievable by the party originally owning it shall be considered become the property of the salvor.
9) Depending on the nature of the salvage operation and the skill and risk involved to the salvor, the salvor is entitled to payment for services should the party owning the vessel seek to re-acquire it,
10) This resolution shall only apply to international waters only.
11) Salvage that is of legitimate historical interest is eligible to be claimed by the nation nearest to the salvage site provided the wreck is put on public display. A salvor is still entitled to compensation in this case. Salvors dealing in wrecks which have historical value must receive training in archaeological techniques in order to prevent damage to the wreck.
by Studly Penguins » Sun May 24, 2009 1:13 pm
by Absolvability » Sun May 24, 2009 1:19 pm
by Sydia » Sun May 24, 2009 3:27 pm
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon May 25, 2009 10:17 pm
by Sydia » Tue May 26, 2009 6:11 am
by The Altan Steppes » Tue May 26, 2009 1:38 pm
Sydia wrote:The main thrust of the resolution is concerning the rights of salvors, owning parties and crewmembers. All of the aforementioned are human. Therefore, human rights.
by Sydia » Tue May 26, 2009 2:14 pm
The Altan Steppes wrote:Sydia wrote:The main thrust of the resolution is concerning the rights of salvors, owning parties and crewmembers. All of the aforementioned are human. Therefore, human rights.
Considering that not everyone in the WA is "human", and that not everyone who's going to try to salvage something is going to be "human" either, that's a tenuous argument at best.
-Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador
1) All personnel involved in a salvage operation shall take due care to avoid unnecessary risks to human health and not to damage the surrounding environment,
2) When needed, salvors must co-operate with the salvage operations of other nations to ensure the upkeep of 1),
3) Every vessel must, by all practical means, assist any other stricken vessel unless the vessel poses any threat to the salvors, including the potential risk of the salvage operation itself. The decision not to undertake a salvage operation on the grounds of safety is left to the captain of the salvor vessel,
4) Any vessel that encounters a stricken vessel must immediately contact their own nation of the salvor and the nation which owns the stricken vessel, or if the nation owning the stricken vessel is unknown, the home nation of the stricken vessel, or if the stricken vessel’s home nation is unknown, the nearest friendly nation to the salvage site,
5) Vessels which have been designated war graves are not eligible for salvage, unless explicitly stated by the nation which owned the craft at the time of its destruction. the home nation of the vessel at the time of destruction. Any salvor breaking this clause shall be subject to the appropriate laws of said nation,
6) Any crewmen on board a salvageable vessel must co-operate fully with the salvors in order to ensure their own safety and the safety of all involved vessels,
7) Once a salvaged vessel has been safely retrieved the salvor must make arrangements to deliver the vessel to its rightful owner as soon as possible,
Establishing rights of salvors.8) Any salvaged vessel which has been lost or otherwise deemed irretrievable by the party originally owning it shall be considered become the property of the salvor.
9) Depending on the nature of the salvage operation and the skill and risk involved to the salvor, the salvor is entitled to payment for services should the party owning the vessel seek to re-acquire it,
10) This resolution shall only apply to international waters only.
11) Salvage that is of legitimate historical interest is eligible to be claimed by the nation nearest to the salvage site provided the wreck is put on public display. A salvor is still entitled to compensation in this case. Salvors dealing in wrecks which have historical value must receive training in archaeological techniques in order to prevent damage to the wreck.
by Sydia » Tue May 26, 2009 2:22 pm
by Flibbleites » Tue May 26, 2009 3:03 pm
Sydia wrote:Resubmitted under Social Justice, since that's the only other category that vaguely fits. If any one has an issue, how about speaking up before it reaches quorum next time, eh? No wonder the game is on the bones.
by Sydia » Tue May 26, 2009 3:19 pm
by Flibbleites » Tue May 26, 2009 3:27 pm
Sydia wrote:If Human Rights wasn't correct, Social Justice is the only other one that fits. Welfare; welfare of salvors and crew. Income inequality, salvage compensation. If the WA doesn't like it, they can lump it.
The proposal was a very old one (2005), inspired by the Kursk incident about ten years ago. Noted that the UN/WA doesn't have any resolution of this nature, it's an international issue, so there we go.
by Sydia » Tue May 26, 2009 3:31 pm
by Flibbleites » Tue May 26, 2009 3:39 pm
by Sydia » Tue May 26, 2009 3:49 pm
by Bears Armed » Wed May 27, 2009 5:15 am
by Sydia » Wed May 27, 2009 5:35 am
by Bears Armed » Wed May 27, 2009 5:45 am
It definitely fits the wording, which is what officially counts: I've used bold type to indicate the relevant details here...Sydia wrote:I don't believe moral decency would fit with the spirit of the proposal.
1) All personnel involved in a salvage operation shall take due care to avoid unnecessary risks to human health and not to damage the surrounding environment,
2) When needed, salvors must co-operate with the salvage operations of other nations to ensure the upkeep of 1),
3) Every vessel must, by all practical means, assist any other stricken vessel unless the vessel poses any threat to the salvors, including the potential risk of the salvage operation itself. The decision not to undertake a salvage operation on the grounds of safety is left to the captain of the salvor vessel,
4) Any vessel that encounters a stricken vessel must immediately contact their own nation of the salvor and the nation which owns the stricken vessel, or if the nation owning the stricken vessel is unknown, the home nation of the stricken vessel, or if the stricken vessel’s home nation is unknown, the nearest friendly nation to the salvage site,
5) Vessels which have been designated war graves are not eligible for salvage, unless explicitly stated by the nation which owned the craft at the time of its destruction. the home nation of the vessel at the time of destruction. Any salvor breaking this clause shall be subject to the appropriate laws of said nation,
6) Any crewmen on board a salvageable vessel must co-operate fully with the salvors in order to ensure their own safety and the safety of all involved vessels,
7) Once a salvaged vessel has been safely retrieved the salvor must make arrangements to deliver the vessel to its rightful owner as soon as possible,
*(snip)*
11) Salvage that is of legitimate historical interest is eligible to be claimed by the nation nearest to the salvage site provided the wreck is put on public display. A salvor is still entitled to compensation in this case. Salvors dealing in wrecks which have historical value must receive training in archaeological techniques in order to prevent damage to the wreck.
by Sydia » Wed May 27, 2009 6:00 am
SEEING the need to build an international understanding on salvage laws;
NOTING that international salvage laws have yet to be defined by the WA;
AWARE of the benefit such laws would provide for salvage operations;
RECOMMENDS the following measures:
1) All personnel involved in a salvage operation shall take due care to avoid unnecessary risks to human health and not to damage the surrounding environment,
2) When needed, salvors must co-operate with the salvage operations of other nations to ensure the upkeep of 1),
3) Every vessel must, by all practical means, assist any other stricken vessel unless the vessel poses any threat to the salvors, including the potential risk of the salvage operation itself. The decision not to undertake a salvage operation on the grounds of safety is left to the captain of the salvor vessel,
4) Any vessel that encounters a stricken vessel must immediately contact their own nation of the salvor and the nation which owns the stricken vessel, or if the nation owning the stricken vessel is unknown, the home nation of the stricken vessel, or if the stricken vessel’s home nation is unknown, the nearest friendly nation to the salvage site,
5) Vessels which have been designated war graves are not eligible for salvage, unless explicitly stated by the nation which owned the craft at the time of its destruction. the home nation of the vessel at the time of destruction. Any salvor breaking this clause shall be subject to the appropriate laws of said nation,
6) Any crewmen on board a salvageable vessel must co-operate fully with the salvors in order to ensure their own safety and the safety of all involved vessels,
7) Once a salvaged vessel has been safely retrieved the salvor must make arrangements to deliver the vessel to its rightful owner as soon as possible,
Any salvaged vessel which has been lost or otherwise deemed irretrievable by the party originally owning it shall be considered become the property of the salvor.
9) Depending on the nature of the salvage operation and the skill and risk involved to the salvor, the salvor is entitled to payment for services should the party owning the vessel seek to re-acquire it,
10) This resolution shall only apply to international waters only.
11) Salvage that is of legitimate historical interest is eligible to be claimed by the nation nearest to the salvage site provided the wreck is put on public display. A salvor is still entitled to compensation in this case. Salvors dealing in wrecks which have historical value must receive training in archaeological techniques in order to prevent damage to the wreck.
by Zemnaya Svoboda » Sat May 30, 2009 1:01 am
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