Best place for Libertarian colonization?

[The Free and Virtuous]

There aren't many places left in the world for people to establish nation states. Where do you think would be the best place for Libertarians to go in order to establish a new nation? I'm not talking about micronations or citystates either, I mean a full blown, brand new country. I've always thought Sakhalin would be an interesting option, if things go really poorly in Russia and the whole country starts to collapse or tip into civil war it would theoretically be possible for a fairly small group of colonists to seize control of the island. Another option would be Borneo, I'm not sure how the locals there would react to Libertarianism but said colonists could probably encourage separatist sentiments in both the Malaysian part and the Indonesian part of the island, they could also retreat into the jungle on the center of island when things get tough. Now, realistically I don't think this would work because Libertarians are opposed to violence and as such guerrilla warfare wouldn't be a reasonable means of state creation for them but it's fun to speculate about.

[Gig em Aggies]

The only way for you to get a full blown nation is on one of the many uninhabited islands in the worlds oceans as most land is already claimed by one or more countries and theirs no way to get land let's say Russia's saklin island without armed conflict. Plus you won't be recognized as a full nation unless you get endorsed by some nations and go through some type of check list to becoming a nation. Otherwise you'll just be considered one of the many hundreds of nation states.

[Yedmnrutika Gavr]

eventually a large group of libertarians somewhere in the world might break free from their parent nation and when/if that happens it would be a little more plausible since there would already be existing infrastructure.

[Bassoe]

Underwater at 63° 2' N, 29° 55' W.

[Costa Fierro]

Somalia?

[Hyfling]

The only places that no nation has claims on are Bir Tawil (scorching desert) and West Antarctica (a frozen wasteland).

As you can see, all the best places are taken.

[New Grestin]

I mean, I'm not saying that sending Libertarians to the moon is a bad idea, but there is a lot of unclaimed real estate.

I'm sure the prices are pretty low too. Lack of oxygen really kills the property value, not to mention the Space Nazis.

[The Free and Virtuous]

Another option in the event of a full blown Russian collapse would be the Kaliningrad region, although Germany might want that back if Russia fell apart.

[Shy Guyia]

If you are very lucky, a new island can be formed by volcanic activity, for example the icelandic island Surtsey...
Or even colonize parts of the moon...

[Gauthier]

Didn't someone try to set up Galt's Gulch in South America already?

[Immoren]

R'lyeh Point Nemo obviously.

[The Free and Virtuous]

Actually, what about Greenland? They have a bunch of unused land, couldn't libertarians move in there? With how small Greenland is I doubt they could even do much to stop them.

[Meridiani Planum]

There aren't many places left in the world for people to establish nation states. Where do you think would be the best place for Libertarians to go in order to establish a new nation?

The best chance is that libertarian ideas will become popular enough with the intellectuals in a particular nation that those ideas will be taught to college students and spread throughout the culture.

There is no place on Earth where libertarians can successfully establish a new nation. It must be an ideological revolution within an established nation. Sorry to be a wet blanket.

Otherwise, maybe libertarians can settle Titan and gain a large share of the Saturnian Helium-3 market. Lots of potential for profit there. They could become the Norway of the Solar System.

[New Ogunquit]

Actually, what about Greenland? They have a bunch of unused land, couldn't libertarians move in there? With how small Greenland is I doubt they could even do much to stop them.

Kind of an icy wasteland. Also, Denmark would probably have something to say about that.

[Immoren]

Actually, what about Greenland? They have a bunch of unused land, couldn't libertarians move in there? With how small Greenland is I doubt they could even do much to stop them.

Colonies under the ice?
Sort of like dwarfs of fantasy.
Libertarian dwarfs.

[The Free and Virtuous]

Actually, what about Greenland? They have a bunch of unused land, couldn't libertarians move in there? With how small Greenland is I doubt they could even do much to stop them.

Kind of an icy wasteland. Also, Denmark would probably have something to say about that.

Assuming that Libertarians WERE willing to use force, perhaps they could become modern day filibusterers and march into some sparsely populated areas of Mexico and take over. The Mexican army is ill equipped to deal with an insurgency and if you had the right administration in office in the U.S. it is possible that America wouldn't do anything.

[AiliailiA]

There are many unoccupied islands, but all of them (afaik) are in sea territory claimed by some nation or else in sea like the Antarctic protected by treaty from human colonization.

Make your own island perhaps. In the Pacific and probably other oceans, there are very shallow areas where dumping a few million tons of rock and earth would make a new island. Two problems: firstly, it would cost a lot of money to do that, and secondly the shallow areas often have coral or other marine life which would be fubar'd by dumping rock and earth on them. Expect nations, with troublesome things like navies, to stop you doing that or to take it away from you after you've done it, and don't expect a groundswell of popular support for your project.

Move to some country with very weak (and/or corrupt) government, buy a lot of land, and secede. Not a "Libertarian purity" option, since by doing that you are in fact declaring a state. Also, it's quite unlikely that seceding would succeed: even a weak and corrupt government can see the benefit of letting their common criminals and their upstart secessionists fight it out between them. Two birds with one stone y'know.

Find territory between two countries which is claimed by neither. This won't be an island, be sure of that. It will only be a desolate and landlocked area, like The Kingdom of North Sudan. Nice present for a little girl, but let's not pretend it's a place the "princess" would actually chose to live.

Maybe you have relatives who have lived in the same area for thousands of years. This frankly is your best chance of "libertarian colonization". You could get land without paying for it, and you could get a degree of self-government, if you have family and community descended from the people who lived there and were dispossessed by actual colonialism.

"A degree of self government" isn't all this kind of "Libertarian" dreams of. They dream of full self-government (which if it's a private dream, is literally no government). Gaining the legal title to land (without buying it) and gaining a small degree of self-government beyond what other people have on their privately owned land, is however the very most they could reasonably achieve.

As a cynic once said to me, when I was in my anarchist phase of youthful idealism: "if you want freedom, you have to buy it."

[New Ogunquit]

Kind of an icy wasteland. Also, Denmark would probably have something to say about that.

Assuming that Libertarians WERE willing to use force, perhaps they could become modern day filibusterers and march into some sparsely populated areas of Mexico and take over. The Mexican army is ill equipped to deal with an insurgency and if you had the right administration in office in the U.S. it is possible that America wouldn't do anything.

I'm fairly certain they'd get around to stomping them out, and none of that guarantees they'd even be able to have any influence or even be recognized by any other nation. I think you're going too fast here. Baby steps, start with New Hampshire.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

[Jute]

Another option in the event of a full blown Russian collapse would be the Kaliningrad region, although Germany might want that back if Russia fell apart.

Why would they? It's not like there are many Germans left there.

[Hurdegaryp]

Actually, what about Greenland? They have a bunch of unused land, couldn't libertarians move in there? With how small Greenland is I doubt they could even do much to stop them.

Libertarian adventurers, meet the Danish armed forces. You have trespassed and shall be taken care of according to the laws of the Danish kingdom.

[Jute]

Actually, what about Greenland? They have a bunch of unused land, couldn't libertarians move in there? With how small Greenland is I doubt they could even do much to stop them.

Libertarian adventurers, meet the Danish armed forces. You have trespassed and shall be taken care of according to the laws of the Danish kingdom.

Also there are already natives there. And it's the biggest freaking island in the world, why would you call it "small"? It's bigger than the entire UK.

[Hurdegaryp]

Libertarian adventurers, meet the Danish armed forces. You have trespassed and shall be taken care of according to the laws of the Danish kingdom.

Also there are already natives there. And it's the biggest freaking island in the world, why would you call it "small"? It's bigger than the entire UK.

It's not as if libertarianism is known as a movement that cares about actual facts.

[Jute]

Also there are already natives there. And it's the biggest freaking island in the world, why would you call it "small"? It's bigger than the entire UK.

It's not as if libertarianism is known as a movement that cares about actual facts.

Or arguments questioning the movement's philosophy.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Io.

[Communes of Europe]

Alpha Centauri.