>grammatically correct greenposting
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by Kubra » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:38 pm
>grammatically correct greenposting
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:40 pm
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:45 pm
by Threlizdun » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:49 pm
Othelos wrote:Tafhan wrote:doesn't the Qur'an say specifically not to do that, though?
24:30 Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
you can be modest and polite but still think of women as objects.
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:07 pm
by Aethrys » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:36 pm
Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:Aethrys wrote:The attitude towards women in Islam is off course dismissive. That they aren't thought of when considering what divine rewards to bestow is hardly surprising. Indeed, it seems that the only two things Islamic women can hope for are to be objectified and treated as property, or to be neglected and ignored. I imagine the various types of mandatory coverings aid in this. For the former they establish and enforce a difference between the sexes and obscure humanizing features, and for the latter, the principle of "out of sight, out of mind" applies, of course.
Well, I knew someone would bring that up so,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SYvYBx ... L&index=13
http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/04/c ... s-to-hijab
And this quote from this article: https://advokatdyavola.wordpress.com/20 ... -veil-ban/
(Brackets are theirs, parentheses and asterisks mine)
“[these people] (proponents of the Hijab ban in France) typically don’t know much about Islam and would have a hard time saying what symbolizes what in that religion. But the more glaring flaw in the argument is that (Western )society is suffused with symbols of male supremacy that treat women as objects. S- magazines, n- photos, tight jeans* — all of these products, arguably, treat women as objects, as do so many aspects of our (Western) media culture. Every time I undress in the locker room of my gym, I see women bearing the scars of liposuction, tummy tucks, breast implants. Isn’t much of this done in order to conform to a male norm of female beauty that casts women as s- objects? Proponents of the burqa ban do not propose to ban all these objectifying practices. Indeed, they often participate in them.”
*Which by the way, can hurt women severely, http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33223045
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:44 pm
Aethrys wrote:Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:
Well, I knew someone would bring that up so,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SYvYBx ... L&index=13
http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/04/c ... s-to-hijab
And this quote from this article: https://advokatdyavola.wordpress.com/20 ... -veil-ban/
(Brackets are theirs, parentheses and asterisks mine)
“[these people] (proponents of the Hijab ban in France) typically don’t know much about Islam and would have a hard time saying what symbolizes what in that religion. But the more glaring flaw in the argument is that (Western )society is suffused with symbols of male supremacy that treat women as objects. S- magazines, n- photos, tight jeans* — all of these products, arguably, treat women as objects, as do so many aspects of our (Western) media culture. Every time I undress in the locker room of my gym, I see women bearing the scars of liposuction, tummy tucks, breast implants. Isn’t much of this done in order to conform to a male norm of female beauty that casts women as s- objects? Proponents of the burqa ban do not propose to ban all these objectifying practices. Indeed, they often participate in them.”
*Which by the way, can hurt women severely, http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33223045
You're presuming support for an issue. I'm ambivalent regarding a french style ban. Paradoxically, restrictions on such attire are themselves limiting freedoms. You're dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
The best argument in favor of such a ban is that anyone wearing it isn't going to be doing so of their own volition, in contrast with objectifying, evil, "slutty" western clothing. Consequently it's a better situation to be in than the UK's lunacy regarding informal religious courts.
by Oasisa » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:00 pm
by Aethrys » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:11 pm
Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:Aethrys wrote:
You're presuming support for an issue. I'm ambivalent regarding a french style ban. Paradoxically, restrictions on such attire are themselves limiting freedoms. You're dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
The best argument in favor of such a ban is that anyone wearing it isn't going to be doing so of their own volition, in contrast with objectifying, evil, "slutty" western clothing. Consequently it's a better situation to be in than the UK's lunacy regarding informal religious courts.
I dunno what you mean in regards to the UK, but I think the first two links make it clear that the majority of Hijabis do so of their own free will
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:16 am
Aethrys wrote:Therefore, one could conclude that there is a probability that a portion of those wearing these garments in these communities face significant coercion to do so.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Aethrys » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:20 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Aethrys wrote:Therefore, one could conclude that there is a probability that a portion of those wearing these garments in these communities face significant coercion to do so.
This is such a token non-statement.
There is a probability that a portion of non-muslim women in white communities face coercion over their lifestyles.
by Morisco » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:42 am
Oasisa wrote:Just curious, are there any actual muslims in this discussion? I think it would a good idea that the believers have a say about their own religion in this discussion. Just a thought, no offense to anyone.
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:30 am
Oasisa wrote:Just curious, are there any actual muslims in this discussion? I think it would a good idea that the believers have a say about their own religion in this discussion. Just a thought, no offense to anyone.
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:45 am
Aethrys wrote:Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:
I dunno what you mean in regards to the UK, but I think the first two links make it clear that the majority of Hijabis do so of their own free will
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... -told.html
The UK has seen a rise of unofficial religious courts forming among their Islamic communities, which they supported under the caveat that they had no official authority, and attending them and submitting to their rulings was entirely voluntary.
This is not the case, and people being forced to accept punishments for religious infractions has become the norm.
Therefore, one could conclude that there is a probability that a portion of those wearing these garments in these communities face significant coercion to do so.
by Esternial » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:47 am
Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:Aethrys wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... -told.html
The UK has seen a rise of unofficial religious courts forming among their Islamic communities, which they supported under the caveat that they had no official authority, and attending them and submitting to their rulings was entirely voluntary.
This is not the case, and people being forced to accept punishments for religious infractions has become the norm.
Therefore, one could conclude that there is a probability that a portion of those wearing these garments in these communities face significant coercion to do so.
Well...I must admit I'm surprised. There are ignorant loonies like this running around in the Islamic world. However, people do what they want no matter what their religious authorities say. Example: in the Catholic Philippines, people often crucify themselves on Easter (they only go for five minutes, and usually there's an ambulance waiting next to the cross, so they don't die). There is nothing in the Bible, or any of the Catholic Church's (or any church I know of, for that matter) literature, sayings etc. that condone it. Catholic priests in the Philippines speak against this, but people still do it, and it's not like the church can arrest anyone. The vast majority of Islamic scholars (a vast majority of Sunni and all Shia that I know of), say very specifically, 'If you live in a non-Muslim country, you follow its laws. If you don't like e'm either move out of the country or use legal means, such as petitions, to try an enact change.' Example: in the US, it is illegal to pray in any way in schools. Muslim students in the US, while doing things like petitioning to try and enact change, follow the law to the letter. I, and most Muslims, disagree with Muslims taking the law into their own hands this way.
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:56 am
Aethrys wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:This is such a token non-statement.
There is a probability that a portion of non-muslim women in white communities face coercion over their lifestyles.
Contrary to popular belief, the fashion police, and indeed the fashion courts do not exist.
As right-wing fear mongering as it sounds, there are indeed Islamic religious courts that have taken control over muslim communities in order to force people to adhere to archaic religious codes that have no basis in the laws of their country of residence.
But do continue trying with your pseudo feminist "Everything in the west is male dominated/oppressive to women" nonsense.
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:34 am
Aethrys wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:This is such a token non-statement.
There is a probability that a portion of non-muslim women in white communities face coercion over their lifestyles.
Contrary to popular belief, the fashion police, and indeed the fashion courts do not exist.
As right-wing fear mongering as it sounds, there are indeed Islamic religious courts that have taken control over muslim communities in order to force people to adhere to archaic religious codes that have no basis in the laws of their country of residence.
But do continue trying with your pseudo feminist "Everything in the west is male dominated/oppressive to women" nonsense.
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:41 am
Aethrys wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:This is such a token non-statement.
There is a probability that a portion of non-muslim women in white communities face coercion over their lifestyles.
Contrary to popular belief, the fashion police, and indeed the fashion courts do not exist.
As right-wing fear mongering as it sounds, there are indeed Islamic religious courts that have taken control over muslim communities in order to force people to adhere to archaic religious codes that have no basis in the laws of their country of residence.
But do continue trying with your pseudo feminist "Everything in the west is male dominated/oppressive to women" nonsense.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Aelex » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:01 am
Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:Furthermore, let's take a YouTube video talking about a mathematical descovery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rudzYPHuewc
Now, look how many of the comments relate to her appearance rather than to the video's actual edifying content.
by Noraika » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:17 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:---a whole bum-tonne of quotes from the Bible about similar things to this topic, and then some---
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by Equestria and Griffon » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:52 am
by Benuty » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:59 am
by Salus Maior » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:17 am
Cannot think of a name wrote: *Snip*
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:55 am
Aelex wrote:Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:Furthermore, let's take a YouTube video talking about a mathematical descovery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rudzYPHuewc
Now, look how many of the comments relate to her appearance rather than to the video's actual edifying content.
Given the very same thing happen to men too; I don't really see your point.
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