Jakker wrote:We wish you the best of luck with your future raiding endeavors. If TBH is all that you say it is, you don't need us.
Thanks Jacky, please try rudder TBH back to right raider tracks, and I will avoid this thread in the future.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=25458110#p25458110
[7:55:37 PM] Cora: Thank you! o7
[7:55:48 PM] Jakker: i just saw that
[7:56:23 PM] Cora: What the hell is wrong in TBH?
[7:58:04 PM] Jakker: cora, you can't expect to do whatever you want and there not to be consequences. you are free to have opinions, but if you don't like us and have said so, then why are you getting mad at us for not raiding with you?
[7:58:32 PM] Cora: I just want raid and it's not ok. Is TBH fenda org?
[7:58:58 PM] Jakker: you don't just want to raid. you want to raid and hate on people and raids that go against your opinions.
[7:59:17 PM] Jakker: if you just wanted to raid, we would be good. but you hated on TBH and had a negative attitude
[7:59:20 PM] Cora: Not true
[7:59:40 PM] Cora: I don't hate anyone
[8:00:19 PM | Edited 8:00:45 PM] Cora: that makes it worse when people seems hating me
[8:00:37 PM] Cora: I just play game
[8:01:21 PM] Cora: Indeed, TBH have negative attitude
[8:01:39 PM | Edited 8:01:54 PM] Cora: and impact to R/D
[8:03:29 PM | Edited 8:03:53 PM] Cora: Jakker, you cannot either do what ever you want without consequences.
[8:03:41 PM] Cora: Don't teach me
[8:04:13 PM] Cora: Breaker of Unity
[8:05:18 PM] Jakker: you make some valid points. i wish you the best!
[8:07:06 PM] Cora: Nothing personal
[8:07:30 PM] Jakker: it's nothing personal from my end either
[8:07:59 PM | Edited 8:08:08 PM] Cora: But may I ask,, whom were those traitors in TBH council?
[8:11:54 PM] Jakker: there's no traitors. let me explain. when i say it's nothing personal, it means that you being banned isnt about you as a raider. simply, you were causing drama and i get rid of anyone who causes drama. i have to look at what's best for TBH. if you were the leader of a group, you would do the same. it's one thing to have opinions. it's another to personal attack people and that's how it came off. im not saying that people dont do that to you either, which I apologize for. point is that I need to look at the whole. I didn't want to have to remove you, but you put it upon yourself. like if say a bunch of negative stuff towards a girl, you can't expect them to stay in a relationship with you.
[8:13:25 PM] Cora: How I caused drame when trying orgasize training updates for TBH?
[8:13:46 PM] Jakker: ah sorry if im not being clear.
[8:13:54 PM | Edited 8:14:02 PM] Cora: I thought it is best for TBH
[8:14:07 PM] Jakker: the drama was caused from the whole TBR thing
[8:14:59 PM] Jakker: if we keep raiding with you, it doesnt look good for the decision. like if you breakup with someone and then want to still hookup with them
[8:15:45 PM] Cora: I raid for raid sake
[8:16:31 PM] Cora: So, it's hard figure why I cannot be added to raids
[8:17:14 PM] Cora: yes, I can make a switch
[8:17:54 PM] Cora: already some 750 raids without mouse or keyb
[8:18:42 PM] Jakker: it's a principle thing. you can't expect to continue raiding with us when you have insulted us prior.
[8:20:18 PM] Cora: And drame was caused by idiotic desicion invade or defend TBR, the decision I had no part.
[8:20:37 PM] Cora: How I insulted?
[8:20:55 PM] Jakker: lol idk if it's a language thing but you just insulted again
[8:21:12 PM] Jakker: you call it an idiotic decision. and continue to hate on TBH like your post in GP
[8:21:31 PM] Jakker: you can't just say whatever you want and then get upset when people are upset about it
[8:22:39 PM | Edited 8:23:03 PM] Cora: but why they are upset if someone points out their faults?
[8:23:20 PM] Jakker: i think it's how you are saying it. i dont mind if you disagree with a decision. but the words you use feel like a personal attack
[8:23:30 PM] Jakker: and you keep repeating yourself over and over again
[8:23:34 PM] Jakker: you dont just say something and then move on
[8:24:36 PM | Edited 8:24:44 PM] Cora: I repeat those few view points exactly because I am right
[8:25:34 PM] Cora: Certain things are set by game mechanical reality
[8:26:03 PM] Cora: there are no room for politics
[8:27:31 PM] Jakker: NS is nothing but politics. that's just the way it is
[8:28:07 PM] Cora: and from my perspective TBR op. cannot be justified, regardless is it invasion or defense
[8:28:12 PM] Jakker: you have been banned from TBH and DEN. maybe it's you that's the problem
[8:28:29 PM] Cora: not only me
[8:29:07 PM] Cora: One of best raider soldiers in this game
[8:29:44 PM] Jakker: that doesn't matter when youre more trouble than youre worth
[8:29:50 PM] Cora: I voluntarily asked ban from DEN off sites
[8:30:24 PM] Cora: raiders doesn't need such
[8:31:01 PM] Jakker: if you just want to raid, then make a raiding group and do whatever you want
[8:31:14 PM] Jakker: if you join other groups, you cannot do whatever you want
[8:32:04 PM] Cora: of course I can like everyone else
[8:32:38 PM] Cora: idea of group is team work
[8:33:01 PM] Jakker: exactly. i cant think whats best for me. i think of whats best for TBH
[8:33:08 PM] Jakker: you only think whats best for you
[8:33:18 PM] Cora: TBH seems lot to learn in that matter
[8:33:26 PM] Cora: no.
[8:34:00 PM] Cora: I think what is best for raiding as a whole
[8:34:21 PM] Cora: That's why I'm soldier
[8:34:23 PM] Jakker: *what you think is best for raiding
[8:34:31 PM] Jakker: your views isnt everything
[8:34:57 PM] Jakker: and if you have different views, then make a group of your own
[8:35:04 PM] Jakker: that's all i have left to say
[8:35:53 PM] Cora: 50 raiders crushing 30 communities, reinforcing 10 occupations, in the unity.
[8:36:47 PM] Cora: You said it. Exactly. We don't need any more 'groups'
[8:37:08 PM] Cora: Already enought
[8:37:27 PM] Jakker: different groups allow for people of different views to do their own thing
[8:37:42 PM] Jakker: you have your own opinions. you dont like how things are handled. then stop complaining and do your own thing
[8:38:15 PM] Cora: I do, but I can help others too...
[8:38:53 PM] Cora: The Idea of The Unity, you know
[8:39:38 PM] Jakker: typically you are right
[8:40:16 PM] Jakker: but in this case, you cause more harm than good
[8:41:30 PM] Cora: when critising raiderdom standing in defense? o_0
[8:41:52 PM] Jakker: if you have noticed, TBH has been doing tag raids while still occupying
[8:42:03 PM] Cora: I can't get it, what can be wrong.
[8:42:11 PM] Cora: Yes.
[8:42:41 PM] Cora: One of most active was me
[8:43:08 PM] Cora: So, obviously I know
[8:44:50 PM] Cora: Thus, I'm little bit offended when all I got for that was shit over my jacket
[8:45:24 PM] Cora: Mostly undeserved.
[8:45:36 PM] Jakker: it is what it is.
[7:55:37 PM] Cora: Thank you! o7
[7:55:48 PM] Jakker: i just saw that
[7:56:23 PM] Cora: What the hell is wrong in TBH?
[7:58:04 PM] Jakker: cora, you can't expect to do whatever you want and there not to be consequences. you are free to have opinions, but if you don't like us and have said so, then why are you getting mad at us for not raiding with you?
[7:58:32 PM] Cora: I just want raid and it's not ok. Is TBH fenda org?
[7:58:58 PM] Jakker: you don't just want to raid. you want to raid and hate on people and raids that go against your opinions.
[7:59:17 PM] Jakker: if you just wanted to raid, we would be good. but you hated on TBH and had a negative attitude
[7:59:20 PM] Cora: Not true
[7:59:40 PM] Cora: I don't hate anyone
[8:00:19 PM | Edited 8:00:45 PM] Cora: that makes it worse when people seems hating me
[8:00:37 PM] Cora: I just play game
[8:01:21 PM] Cora: Indeed, TBH have negative attitude
[8:01:39 PM | Edited 8:01:54 PM] Cora: and impact to R/D
[8:03:29 PM | Edited 8:03:53 PM] Cora: Jakker, you cannot either do what ever you want without consequences.
[8:03:41 PM] Cora: Don't teach me
[8:04:13 PM] Cora: Breaker of Unity
[8:05:18 PM] Jakker: you make some valid points. i wish you the best!
[8:07:06 PM] Cora: Nothing personal
[8:07:30 PM] Jakker: it's nothing personal from my end either
[8:07:59 PM | Edited 8:08:08 PM] Cora: But may I ask,, whom were those traitors in TBH council?
[8:11:54 PM] Jakker: there's no traitors. let me explain. when i say it's nothing personal, it means that you being banned isnt about you as a raider. simply, you were causing drama and i get rid of anyone who causes drama. i have to look at what's best for TBH. if you were the leader of a group, you would do the same. it's one thing to have opinions. it's another to personal attack people and that's how it came off. im not saying that people dont do that to you either, which I apologize for. point is that I need to look at the whole. I didn't want to have to remove you, but you put it upon yourself. like if say a bunch of negative stuff towards a girl, you can't expect them to stay in a relationship with you.
[8:13:25 PM] Cora: How I caused drame when trying orgasize training updates for TBH?
[8:13:46 PM] Jakker: ah sorry if im not being clear.
[8:13:54 PM | Edited 8:14:02 PM] Cora: I thought it is best for TBH
[8:14:07 PM] Jakker: the drama was caused from the whole TBR thing
[8:14:59 PM] Jakker: if we keep raiding with you, it doesnt look good for the decision. like if you breakup with someone and then want to still hookup with them
[8:15:45 PM] Cora: I raid for raid sake
[8:16:31 PM] Cora: So, it's hard figure why I cannot be added to raids
[8:17:14 PM] Cora: yes, I can make a switch
[8:17:54 PM] Cora: already some 750 raids without mouse or keyb
[8:18:42 PM] Jakker: it's a principle thing. you can't expect to continue raiding with us when you have insulted us prior.
[8:20:18 PM] Cora: And drame was caused by idiotic desicion invade or defend TBR, the decision I had no part.
[8:20:37 PM] Cora: How I insulted?
[8:20:55 PM] Jakker: lol idk if it's a language thing but you just insulted again
[8:21:12 PM] Jakker: you call it an idiotic decision. and continue to hate on TBH like your post in GP
[8:21:31 PM] Jakker: you can't just say whatever you want and then get upset when people are upset about it
[8:22:39 PM | Edited 8:23:03 PM] Cora: but why they are upset if someone points out their faults?
[8:23:20 PM] Jakker: i think it's how you are saying it. i dont mind if you disagree with a decision. but the words you use feel like a personal attack
[8:23:30 PM] Jakker: and you keep repeating yourself over and over again
[8:23:34 PM] Jakker: you dont just say something and then move on
[8:24:36 PM | Edited 8:24:44 PM] Cora: I repeat those few view points exactly because I am right
[8:25:34 PM] Cora: Certain things are set by game mechanical reality
[8:26:03 PM] Cora: there are no room for politics
[8:27:31 PM] Jakker: NS is nothing but politics. that's just the way it is
[8:28:07 PM] Cora: and from my perspective TBR op. cannot be justified, regardless is it invasion or defense
[8:28:12 PM] Jakker: you have been banned from TBH and DEN. maybe it's you that's the problem
[8:28:29 PM] Cora: not only me
[8:29:07 PM] Cora: One of best raider soldiers in this game
[8:29:44 PM] Jakker: that doesn't matter when youre more trouble than youre worth
[8:29:50 PM] Cora: I voluntarily asked ban from DEN off sites
[8:30:24 PM] Cora: raiders doesn't need such
[8:31:01 PM] Jakker: if you just want to raid, then make a raiding group and do whatever you want
[8:31:14 PM] Jakker: if you join other groups, you cannot do whatever you want
[8:32:04 PM] Cora: of course I can like everyone else
[8:32:38 PM] Cora: idea of group is team work
[8:33:01 PM] Jakker: exactly. i cant think whats best for me. i think of whats best for TBH
[8:33:08 PM] Jakker: you only think whats best for you
[8:33:18 PM] Cora: TBH seems lot to learn in that matter
[8:33:26 PM] Cora: no.
[8:34:00 PM] Cora: I think what is best for raiding as a whole
[8:34:21 PM] Cora: That's why I'm soldier
[8:34:23 PM] Jakker: *what you think is best for raiding
[8:34:31 PM] Jakker: your views isnt everything
[8:34:57 PM] Jakker: and if you have different views, then make a group of your own
[8:35:04 PM] Jakker: that's all i have left to say
[8:35:53 PM] Cora: 50 raiders crushing 30 communities, reinforcing 10 occupations, in the unity.
[8:36:47 PM] Cora: You said it. Exactly. We don't need any more 'groups'
[8:37:08 PM] Cora: Already enought
[8:37:27 PM] Jakker: different groups allow for people of different views to do their own thing
[8:37:42 PM] Jakker: you have your own opinions. you dont like how things are handled. then stop complaining and do your own thing
[8:38:15 PM] Cora: I do, but I can help others too...
[8:38:53 PM] Cora: The Idea of The Unity, you know
[8:39:38 PM] Jakker: typically you are right
[8:40:16 PM] Jakker: but in this case, you cause more harm than good
[8:41:30 PM] Cora: when critising raiderdom standing in defense? o_0
[8:41:52 PM] Jakker: if you have noticed, TBH has been doing tag raids while still occupying
[8:42:03 PM] Cora: I can't get it, what can be wrong.
[8:42:11 PM] Cora: Yes.
[8:42:41 PM] Cora: One of most active was me
[8:43:08 PM] Cora: So, obviously I know
[8:44:50 PM] Cora: Thus, I'm little bit offended when all I got for that was shit over my jacket
[8:45:24 PM] Cora: Mostly undeserved.
[8:45:36 PM] Jakker: it is what it is.