Grave_n_idle wrote:Apparently, you can.
Just as one can play Russian Roulette.
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by Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:19 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Apparently, you can.
by Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:20 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:Really?
Hip replacements are often done after serious hip fractures, so I'm told.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:21 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Not really. Urgent surgery simply trumps less urgent surgery... which tends to mean that elective procedures are likely to have longer waits.
It's not like the private market can do away with waits altogether either, unless someone has started farming organs for immediate transplant.
Not waits altogether... But over 150 days is excessive. Unfortunately, I can't find anything on waits in the USA for heart surgery and the sort. I'll keep looking.
by Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:21 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Apparently, you can.
Just as one can play Russian Roulette.
by The Hellish Apocalypse » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:23 pm
You-Gi-Owe wrote:So, why does the U.S. Democratic party want health insurance agents to become unemployed?
that's not going to help the economy. That's more unemployment.
by Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:23 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Not really. Urgent surgery simply trumps less urgent surgery... which tends to mean that elective procedures are likely to have longer waits.
It's not like the private market can do away with waits altogether either, unless someone has started farming organs for immediate transplant.
Not waits altogether... But over 150 days is excessive. Unfortunately, I can't find anything on waits in the USA for heart surgery and the sort. I'll keep looking.
by Farnhamia » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:26 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Not really. Urgent surgery simply trumps less urgent surgery... which tends to mean that elective procedures are likely to have longer waits.
It's not like the private market can do away with waits altogether either, unless someone has started farming organs for immediate transplant.
Not waits altogether... But over 150 days is excessive. Unfortunately, I can't find anything on waits in the USA for heart surgery and the sort. I'll keep looking.
by Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:27 pm
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Even if you find it, you'd also have to factor in that the wait is probably considerably longer for the 46 million uninsured and any other insured person that the Insurance Company feels like dropping to save a buck.
I always laugh when people talk about how healthcare will go down in quality if universal healthcare became available. It can't get any worse for everyone that doesn't have it at all, can it?
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:28 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Apparently, you can.
Just as one can play Russian Roulette.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:30 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Not really. Urgent surgery simply trumps less urgent surgery... which tends to mean that elective procedures are likely to have longer waits.
It's not like the private market can do away with waits altogether either, unless someone has started farming organs for immediate transplant.
Not waits altogether... But over 150 days is excessive. Unfortunately, I can't find anything on waits in the USA for heart surgery and the sort. I'll keep looking.
Do, CM, I'd be interested to see. And the quoted bit in Ostronopolis' post said that "In Sweden, the wait for heart surgery can be as long as 25 weeks," and "the average wait for hip replacement surgery is more than a year." Weasel statements, I think. Hip replacement is not the same a broken hip and I venture to say that certain kinds of heart surgery might be deferable. As for the cancellation of 50,000 British operations a year, nothing is said about what kinds of operations. A face-lift is an operation, after all, and in all but the most extreme cases is hardly a life-saving procedure.
by Ashmoria » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:30 pm
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Even if you find it, you'd also have to factor in that the wait is probably considerably longer for the 46 million uninsured and any other insured person that the Insurance Company feels like dropping to save a buck.
I always laugh when people talk about how healthcare will go down in quality if universal healthcare became available. It can't get any worse for everyone that doesn't have it at all, can it?
by Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:31 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Except that you expect something like a 1-in-6 fatality rate with Russian Roulette.
The Taurus Model 608 is a series of double action revolvers chambered for the .357 Magnum round, with a cylinder capacity of 8 rounds.
It appears hysteria is your new angle, but please try to retain a little focus on realism.
by Farnhamia » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:31 pm
Maurepas wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Even if you find it, you'd also have to factor in that the wait is probably considerably longer for the 46 million uninsured and any other insured person that the Insurance Company feels like dropping to save a buck.
I always laugh when people talk about how healthcare will go down in quality if universal healthcare became available. It can't get any worse for everyone that doesn't have it at all, can it?
Tell me about it, my Family lacks Health Insurance, and I got my face smashed in and cracked one of my molars, in Highschool...Had to wait 5 hours in the ER just to get a $3,000 bill for my troubles...
US Healthcare system sucks balls,
by Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:33 pm
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Even if you find it, you'd also have to factor in that the wait is probably considerably longer for the 46 million uninsured and any other insured person that the Insurance Company feels like dropping to save a buck.
I always laugh when people talk about how healthcare will go down in quality if universal healthcare became available. It can't get any worse for everyone that doesn't have it at all, can it?
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:33 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?"
by Ashmoria » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:33 pm
Farnhamia wrote: Well, from your end of the stick, yes. The hospital rang up $600 an hour on theirs.
And hey, we all know that the US government couldn't run a national health care system to save its life. Give it two, three years and people will be lined up outside the insurance companies' offices begging to sign up, offering their children as premiums.
by Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:34 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Well, from your end of the stick, yes. The hospital rang up $600 an hour on theirs.
And hey, we all know that the US government couldn't run a national health care system to save its life. Give it two, three years and people will be lined up outside the insurance companies' offices begging to sign up, offering their children as premiums.
by Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:34 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Do, CM, I'd be interested to see. And the quoted bit in Ostronopolis' post said that "In Sweden, the wait for heart surgery can be as long as 25 weeks," and "the average wait for hip replacement surgery is more than a year." Weasel statements, I think. Hip replacement is not the same a broken hip and I venture to say that certain kinds of heart surgery might be deferable. As for the cancellation of 50,000 British operations a year, nothing is said about what kinds of operations. A face-lift is an operation, after all, and in all but the most extreme cases is hardly a life-saving procedure.
by Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:36 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:You have compared a waiting list for surgeries... to Russian Roulette. That's pretty hysterical.
by Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:37 pm
Ashmoria wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Even if you find it, you'd also have to factor in that the wait is probably considerably longer for the 46 million uninsured and any other insured person that the Insurance Company feels like dropping to save a buck.
I always laugh when people talk about how healthcare will go down in quality if universal healthcare became available. It can't get any worse for everyone that doesn't have it at all, can it?
and since we are ALL one serious illness away from never having insurance again (pre-existing condition) more and more of the american public would rather have the government decide who gets what than to be blindsided by an insurance company deciding that you wont be covered even though you have paid your premiums on time for years.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:38 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:You have compared a waiting list for surgeries... to Russian Roulette. That's pretty hysterical.
I can see that you are either deliberately ignoring the point I'm trying to get across with the example, or simply do not understand it.
by Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:39 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Even if you find it, you'd also have to factor in that the wait is probably considerably longer for the 46 million uninsured and any other insured person that the Insurance Company feels like dropping to save a buck.
I always laugh when people talk about how healthcare will go down in quality if universal healthcare became available. It can't get any worse for everyone that doesn't have it at all, can it?
On the contrary, I hope that Universal Healthcare will spur the Insurance companies into action, although I somehow doubt it.
by Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:39 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Also - I already pointed it out once, if you're not going to honestly report what I post, don't include me in your sig.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:39 pm
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Ashmoria wrote:Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Even if you find it, you'd also have to factor in that the wait is probably considerably longer for the 46 million uninsured and any other insured person that the Insurance Company feels like dropping to save a buck.
I always laugh when people talk about how healthcare will go down in quality if universal healthcare became available. It can't get any worse for everyone that doesn't have it at all, can it?
and since we are ALL one serious illness away from never having insurance again (pre-existing condition) more and more of the american public would rather have the government decide who gets what than to be blindsided by an insurance company deciding that you wont be covered even though you have paid your premiums on time for years.
Maybe people are more willing to tolerate a waiting list than be kicked to the curb.
by Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:40 pm
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Oh, they'll compete. Public education doesn't stifle private education. Isn't it odd that a good education is something that we don't leave to free market forces but health and survival we do?
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